Germany plans to Legalise recreational Cannabis

a reply to: Freeborn

Agreed.

Nothing wrong with responsible drinking and nothing wrong with responsible smoking IMO.

Like others have said here, I've seen WAY worse from opiates and other prescription drugs.

Responsibility is the key IMO.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Kenzo

As Peeple pointed out it's decriminalised in the Netherlands but Germany are talking about legalizing it , same thing really I guess just different legal connotations.

It’s not really the same thing at all though. In fact, in some cases “decriminalization” can make the problem of people facing court for personal possession worse.

They did a study years ago comparing cannabis laws in South Australia and Victoria. In South Australia it’s decriminalized for the first 2 times your caught, you just face a simple fine. Problem is, cops love handing out fines, so it actually gives them a reason to actively seek out people in possession of cannabis.

Where as in Victoria it’s illegal, but if caught you get 2 formal warnings before you can be charged. But the police really don’t have any incentive to give ‘formal warnings’, since it’s a whole lot of paper work and there’s no fine to keep there quota up or charge to get under there belt. So in Victoria it’s more or less common practice for police to just confiscate and destroy it and the incident never gets officially documented.

There for people in South Australia where it’s ‘decriminalized’, are far more likely to be charged with cannabis possession, then people in Victoria where it’s ‘illegal’.

Of course you do have different types of decriminalization that seem to work a lot better. Like in the Netherlands for example, where personal possession 5 grams is tolerated and authorities basically just turn a blind eye to the coffee shops, which are essentially illegal.

But anyway, just pointing out that a decriminalized status of personal possession doesn’t necessarily mean a whole lot and in some cases can actually do more harm than good.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: LABTECH767

Although much of the same could be said about alcohol yet that is a legal drug , to my experience ,having lost friends to it ,a far more dangerous drug.

At a time where the public finances are in a state an infusion of Urb tax may be just what it needs , and with the last few years we've had a little bit of relaxation.

But you know a little drink is also good for you, honeshtly.

a reply to: gortex

German's are old school druggies. Weimar was a state rave on phet. Adolf was a major junkie his dealer being Morell. Go to a club in Hamburg or Berlin, for some reason the Golden Gate etc, rings the bells.................. Go to the boys room and there will be a sit down with a chap inside offering on the top shelf c0ke and the bottom shelf MDMa. It is accepted already, even the October festivals have beer also been crack smoking in their lederhosen since the 19thC..................

Ok here's the truth. Mary Jane indeed the super skunk variety is extremely dangerous and will tip people over the edge. Mary Jane is extremely underrated and I've lost two close friends to Schizophrenia from it in the 1990's. Letting everyone take it? Well I'm not so sure. Give 'em a beer or an E no long term effects as it's up then back down in hours, yet Mary Jane sits in the bloodstream for months on end and that is where the trip becomes very long term

a reply to: gortex


Yeap, they are all gonna need weed stat when Germany's entire economy sinks just like the Titanic did so long ago! 🚢⛰️🌀

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

And I'd bet these two would've had schizophrenia at some point with no drugs as well. Not that it's possible to prove that either way since we don't have an exact copy of them.
The issue around drugs is still a social problem. People need to flee reality. Or have the impression they need whatever substance they chose to improve their performance. 'Self medication' is what that's called.
And doctors will tell you it's bad but if we're being honest it's not like prescription psychoactive drugs make that much difference just because you pay the pharma industry and taxes. You still have the same issues of potential organ failures, altered personality and addiction.

In the end I think it's denial of reality to blame drugs for problems that were basically always there in the individual in society long before any substances entered the blood.

Germany's commercials are about to get REALLY WEIRD.

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Germany has other things to worry about instead of Cannabis lol.

Germaine’seconomy is on tread to continue winter months going going down

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

And I'd bet these two would've had schizophrenia at some point with no drugs as well. Not that it's possible to prove that either way since we don't have an exact copy of them.

You might well be correct there Peeple. Jim was a bit strange in the old Scouts days well before Mary Jane came on these scene. In addition to which when we were kids due to prohibition, green was basically like gold in the rainbow. You couldn't get it. The only stuff around thse days was something called hash (I think at least) like a compund of the plants, this was unregulated for sure and usually contained plastics, car tyres, heavens knows what else. It's not surprising so many went insane. At least proper regulation of the production and supply eliminates this.

Two things concern me about legality.

1 When one gets a centre of distribution for Mar8juana then other criminal types move in. Case example Amsterdam. Throw dozens of coffee shops into a small area then the still illegal drugs move in. All those 'bridge boys' selling other stuff in Amsterdam. They wouldn't be there if it wasn't for legalising dope. It leads on to other issues by making it legal. I guess if the purchase was mail order only then this would be eliminated. No doubt DPD nd Deutshe Post drivers would be nabbing it though and getting heigh in their vans

2 Marijuana stays in one's blood system for many months. At least with beer, vodka or E's you are up and down in a few hours. Just one joint and you are mentally affected for ages. Aside from the mental changes what about your responsibility in society? You change, that means driving, working, everything gets altered. Not usually for the better. Imagine dope heads running air control at your local airports all puffing on a bong and monitoring their flight screens! No good can come of it

As a German i only can laugh about that absurd theater. Living no 30 minutes by car away from the Netherlands, i only once bought herbs there and brought them back to Germany. That was at a time when there still were borders inside the EU and you easily could get caught. But there never was a reason to go to the Netherlands to get some pot or weed, not 40 years ago, not 30 years ago(when i started to smoke and never stopped again xD), not 20 years ago and especially not the last decade or 15 years.

Because it is illegally grown here for quiet a while , often by "rocker" gangs like the Hells Angels. They pay farmers who, for example, lost everything because of these irrational "politics" in favor of multinational acting corporations, to use their former and now empty cattle barns to indoor grow herbs. I heard they don´t pay bad and the old farmers are happy to make some Euros again. Once or twice a year it happens that one of these plantations gets busted, a few hundred or thousand plants destroyed. While uncountable plantations stay undetected and supply the population.

So you get a real good price here if you don´t buy only ten or twenty grams in, addition to a really good quality, i believe nothing of that weed you buy here has less than 20% THC. Otherwise the people wouldn´t buy it anymore. If you would try to sell Super Skunk or White Widow to somebody nowadays, he would only laugh at you.

What i wanted to say is that it doesn´t matter if the "rulers" allow to smoke weed/pot, everybody who wants to smoke does it since decades without problems to get good weed/pot here. Seems like nobody needs the permission of the "rulers". Why do they come up with the legalization now and why does it suddenly happen that fast, without any bigger problems? Because judges, prosecutors, cops have enough of catching and condemning people who did nothing bad, the german courts are overloaded anyway since decades and real criminals run around for years before getting condemned and put into jail then maybe, there is no time to fool around with harmless herb smokers.

But the main thing is, of course, money. They don´t know where to get all that money from to spend for example 500 Millions for the Ukraine soon, per month, for whatever reason. So they need new ways to pull the money out of our taxpayers bags for goods provided with double or triple taxes. Since the first legalization of a state in the USA they discuss this here but nothing happened, they didn´t care, we consumers didn´t care. And now when they need money to reset us here, to ruin Russia and kiss the a$$ of the US globalists and all that BS, it suddenly works in no time.

What does change in January for me personally? My hydro herbs i grow and almost nobody knows about, are legal then, 3 of them, i only need two to put them in a schedule to harvest every 35 days, of course with the right seeds and equipment. I didn´t care yet if it is allowed or not, i don´t care in the future. If you are not enormously stupid you don´t get caught here anyway. And, believe me, that stuff grows without their permission.

Then you are allowed to own 30 grams. That is one of the parts where you can see that they still don´t know what they are talking about. They allow you to grow 3 plants but allow you only to own 30 grams. Wit the right seeds, equipment and a bit of experience you can get up to 400 grams out of one plant indoors, in hydroponics.

But let them try and do, i am ok with that kind of "legalization", it´s better than nothing. Only thing that will not work is to make a lot of tax money out of all that. Because "our experts" are only experts in ruining everything they only look at and make it worse for everybody. If they want to force the people to show their ID´s before being allowed to buy that stuff (nobody really knows yet where it should be sold...), if the quality is only one bit worse and/or more expensive than the same or better quality on the streets, where will people continue to buy their stuff? Right, they buy from the same sources they had to buy from since ever here.

They don´t want to do something good for the people, they are only completely overloaded with everything and want to make a lot of money, tax payers money. That´s why it suddenly works. And maybe they hope that keeps the people another month calm or whatever.

But who cares, we don´t need their permission and especially not their help when it comes to smoking herbs.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

As I used to work in traffic control I can assure you you have to sign you don't do drugs and get tested.
Also Rotterdam f.e. has those issues not because coffeeshops but because it being a huge port city and having a famous red light night life.
People who do drugs usually don't do more or less because it's legal or not. But production and trade are turned into legitimate businesses with quality control and taxes instead of being a major avenue of income for mafia and/or terrorist organizarions.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

They wouldn't be there if it wasn't for legalising dope.

But they'd be somewhere mate.
Within half an hour max of arriving in almost every city I've been to - bar maybe a handful in the old Eastern Europe areas - I can guarantee you I'd be able to score almost anything.
Not that I did, just that I could.😉

Amsterdam is a great city, those 'bridge boys' - I christened them Mr CC Pills during one of my visits there in the late 80's I think, maybe early 90's - can be annoying at times. I upended one into a rather large wheely bin once because I got sick of his constant over enthusiastic bothering me.

Imagine dope heads running air control at your local airports all puffing on a bong and monitoring their flight screens!

With legalisation should come regulation.
Strict regulations and levels etc, regular drug testing.
And severe penalties, none of this pussy footing around...I mean SEVERE penalties.

a reply to: Peeple

That's reassuring. Sign and tested. I'll fly Lufthansa again

a reply to: Freeborn

Must admit it's everywhere. I could stick my head out of the shutter doors and probably score anything here in the UK from maybe 1 in 10 passers by. I'm getting old now and seen all that but it is everywhere I must admit.

Those flippin bridge boys. Things changed on my last visits maybe 12 years ago. Lots of Kosovan / Albanian types running the bridges. Not particularly friendly either. Especially in the early hours. They had completely replaced the black bridge boys of the 90's, who were generally a much more pleasant group. How did this happen? Did they kill them? I hope the 'man with the big hat' who ran the bridge outside the Globe sport bar survived and just settled into retirement

a reply to: LABTECH767

Don’t worry it’s not addictive unlike other legal substances, so those that don’t like don’t go back to it.

Don’t do it!!! The quality of your tree will go way way down once it’s recreational legal. I’ve seen it in every state, once company’s get a hold of it it’s all about the money. Stick with your local farmer

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Well to be honest I did trains not planes but I imagine it's even tighter. Just don't blame me if you fly Lufthansa and end up in Valhalla.

a reply to: Peeple

Last time I had the chance to fly to Valhalla we turned it down. Indeed that was the second chance. We watched the mothership draw its steps down and beautiful white light emanated from the interior. I assume it would be to Valhalla or another nations terminology for it. Anywhere on lufthansa will do at the same time. Germany is amazing what a place