What's the origin of the physical universe?

originally posted by: Phantom423
And as far as Jesus is concerned, Jesus was a nice Jewish boy who came from a conservative Jewish community which probably engaged in mysticism.

He got himself mixed up in the local politics and caused a commotion at a Temple about money changing (does that sound familiar???). As a result, his own people summarily labeled him a criminal and ultimately convinced the Romans to murder him. All the nonsense about rising from the dead and miracles, etc is just that: a lot of nonsense. Living beyond the age of 30 was a miracle in those days.

Just got to chirp in again here.

The Roman world had its problems and in Rome life expectancy for the poor was probably about 50 to 60 maybe a little less for slaves who were the majority of the population but in provinces such as Judea were people followed traditions of purification, not eating certain bad foods that were often full of disease that could not only make you ill but give you parasites such as Pork and Shellfish etc and in which religious laws of purification meant that if mould was found in someone's house and it did not clear up after the first attempt to get rid of it the house then had to be burned AND in which there were religious quarantine laws for the unclean (unwell) to prevent the spread of disease etc.

Well, the Jews often lived to a ripe old age comparable to today with people living even into their 80's and 90's.

But You are right about much of what you say about Jesus except that you are WRONG about the truth of whom and indeed what he was though I am not berating you for that as at least you respect the man who stood up against corruption and seem to at least like that man even if you have no faith.

Unlike the Jewish people with their purity laws the Romans sprinkled red lead onto their food as a colouring to make it attractive and by the second century the majority of the original patrician class had either killed themselves off by eating a bio accumulative toxic metal or otherwise been side-lined making way for ambitious non Roman's to eventually take over the rule of the empire leading in part at least to its eventually downfall as along with this corruption ran rampant throughout the aging Roman world.

Now more recently in Europe as recently as the 1800's many people of working-class origin within the UK were very lucky to see there 50's, disease was rampant as it goes hand in hand with poverty and what affects the poor affects the rich as well.

This was common throughout much of Europe and into the America's as well and much of it was disease, poverty and backward lack of understanding and of course a lack of purity laws that drove this sickness.

Think how advanced the ancient Hebrew's were, those unclean animals they were not allowed to consume for instance were often parasite and pathogenic sources that could also infect human beings and still can today.

Even the way they handled water using a serious of settling tanks to filter out dirt from rainwater meant that it was cleaner, and king David once famously chose men who drank not by putting their mouths into a stream but by cupping their hands so that they could see what was in the water they were drinking, there knowledge of the dangers of mould was also ahead of its time.

Jesus was not only born into a religious society but one that was among the most advanced of the ancient world as far as looking after its people was concerned.

Even their avoidance of consuming the blood of animals would also have had health benefits.

a reply to: cooperton


Wow Coop. I agree with everything you said. I must be getting old......LOL

a reply to: cooperton

Surely enough, thousands of years later, the lineage of Islam still sees themselves as mere servants and not legitimate children of God

I'm not trying to be a dick but really what you said here is just a play on semantics , but I see your point.

a reply to: neoholographic

So where's the evidence of an independent physical universe that's not a derivative of the invisible?

Or, is the universe itself sentient?

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not complex enough