They paid people to shame and insult the unvaxxed...

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

You don't understand you are one do you? Sorry, I can't help you unless you are willing to help yourself. I have been making these type of comments to you all along. You defend the indefensible things that show the governments, WEF, WHO, and so many other tyrannically inclined entities are going down the path you like.

a reply to: Justoneman

Never have defended any of that stuff.

All I have done in these threads is to deny Ignorance and ridiculous doom porn BS.

Like the poster who claimed to have known plenty of people who dropped dead from PTSD because of masks and lockdowns.

And now this latest BS about me being a Socialist.

For which you have provided no evidence for, because that's a lie, too.


You can repeat that lie over and over, but it doesn't make it true.

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a reply to: Asmodeus3

I am afraid you don't have any sources to back your claims and especially the ones about transmission.

Sources are in my signature. Check out the infection curve from the UK.

What does it mean to 'have less Covid in you for a shorter period of time' ?? Which books have you been reading in biology??

It's pretty self explanatory.

If a person isn't vaccinated their body needs to discover covid and create a defense against it. This takes time, during which covid can go from a few viral cells to a full on infection. The person may be sick for a couple of days or a couple of weeks, during which time they can infect other people.

If a person is vaccinated their body responds faster, and kills the virus quicker. It has less time to replicate itself, and the person who has covid is infectious for a shorter period of time.

So, you have less covid in you for a shorter period of time because your body finds it faster and kills it quicker.

If you want you want to find about transmission you should ask the representative of Pfizer and Pfizer itself as they are moving at the speed of science and didn't even bother to check about it...

Which isn't particularly unusual. The aim of the vax was to reduce sickness, a knock on effect for this is reducing transmission, for the reasons that I mentioned above. People aren't as sick, and recover faster, so they have less time to infect other people.

If fewer people are sick, community transmission is reduced for completely obvious reasons.

Shaming others for said no to an untested and potentially hazardous product?

It's been almost two years, this is one of the most scrutinized vax ever made, and the hazards are quite low.

Plus, shaming people is a well understood and effective tactic.

They also tried educating people, bribing people, and threatening people. Remember the free donuts, or the lottery entries, or all of those official Whitehouse briefings??

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Daughter2


It just wasn't true the vaccine stopped transmissions and they had no basis to tell the public it would.

Except that the sources in my signature show conclusively that the vax significantly reduced transmission rates.

When you have less covid in you, and it's there for a shorter period of time, you have less opportunity to infect others.

And if those people are also vaxxed, then their less likely to get covid and less likely to get sick from it.

My sources are conclusive, you don't even have a bitchute video.

Your sources are mostly a year old now. Science and discovery have moved on. Much has been revealed that may call your old data into question, including the pharmaceutical companies and politicians caught lying.

I chose to link to data that covered the start of the vaccination campaign, because it highlights exactly what I'm saying.

You do know that you can just click through to more recent data, right?

Link to what has been "revealed", please. You make a claim but don't back it up. My sources are in my signature.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I am afraid you don't have any sources to back your claims and especially the ones about transmission.

Sources are in my signature. Check out the infection curve from the UK.

What does it mean to 'have less Covid in you for a shorter period of time' ?? Which books have you been reading in biology??

It's pretty self explanatory.

If a person isn't vaccinated their body needs to discover covid and create a defense against it. This takes time, during which covid can go from a few viral cells to a full on infection. The person may be sick for a couple of days or a couple of weeks, during which time they can infect other people.

If a person is vaccinated their body responds faster, and kills the virus quicker. It has less time to replicate itself, and the person who has covid is infectious for a shorter period of time.

So, you have less covid in you for a shorter period of time because your body finds it faster and kills it quicker.

If you want you want to find about transmission you should ask the representative of Pfizer and Pfizer itself as they are moving at the speed of science and didn't even bother to check about it...

Which isn't particularly unusual. The aim of the vax was to reduce sickness, a knock on effect for this is reducing transmission, for the reasons that I mentioned above. People aren't as sick, and recover faster, so they have less time to infect other people.

If fewer people are sick, community transmission is reduced for completely obvious reasons.

Shaming others for said no to an untested and potentially hazardous product?

It's been almost two years, this is one of the most scrutinized vax ever made, and the hazards are quite low.

Plus, shaming people is a well understood and effective tactic.

They also tried educating people, bribing people, and threatening people. Remember the free donuts, or the lottery entries, or all of those official Whitehouse briefings??

It's being almost 2 years and we still don't know much about these products which seem to be dangerous and not safe and effective as they have been advertised. You seem to be in a denial over this matter.

Dr Malhotra has asked for the vaccination program to be paused globally. Dr Ladapo in Florida doesn't recommend mRNA vaccines for children and 18-39 year old males.

It doesn't seem to me to be a safe and effective product.

The aim of the vaccine is a fabricated retrospective concept which changes over time.

Did you just say above that shaming people is an acceptable and effective way?! Bribing and threatening others?! What about bullying and intimidation?

Is there anything scientific in all these?!?!
Or do you think we are now convinced about these products. I think you may want to have a reality check as in these threads the majority of members haven't used these products and are unlikely to get vaccinated again given this paranoic campaign.

By the way do you know the medium and long term effects? The benefit to risk ratio for each age group? No. So safety hasn't been established and won't be established for a long time.

You see, the shaming tactics didn't work and we are not buying the attempts to get this product.

Furthermore I have the best type of immunisation and that isn't Pfizer's or Moderna's. But it's Natural Immunity that has served me very well since for over 2 years.

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a reply to: Asmodeus3

It's being almost 2 years and we still don't know much about these products which seem to be dangerous and not safe and effective as they have been advertised. You seem to be in a denial over this matter

n

We know more about it than almost any other vax ever made, the amount of peer review science on it is staggering, please check links 2 and 8 in my signature for hard data on what the side effects are and how common they are.

By the way do you know the medium and long term effects? The benefit to risk ratio for each age group? No. So safety hasn't been established and won't be established for a long time.

Yes, links 2 and 8 in my signature.

Furthermore I have the best type of immunisation and that isn't Pfizer's or Moderna's. But it's Natural Immunity that has served me very well since for over 2 years.

Well yay for you, but for people with heart or lung condition, renal failure, diabetes, or the obese the risks are much higher.

The plan fact of the matter is that the OP is seeing a perfectly normal PSA campaign buy a government that genuinely believes that the vax is both safe and effective, and which genuinely believes that vaxxing people will save lives.

There is no conspiracy, its just a variation on the flu shot campaign that we see every fall.

Sometimes the government isn't wrong, or isn't lying to you.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

It's being almost 2 years and we still don't know much about these products which seem to be dangerous and not safe and effective as they have been advertised. You seem to be in a denial over this matter

n

We know more about it than almost any other vax ever made, the amount of peer review science on it is staggering, please check links 2 and 8 in my signature for hard data on what the side effects are and how common they are.

By the way do you know the medium and long term effects? The benefit to risk ratio for each age group? No. So safety hasn't been established and won't be established for a long time.

Yes, links 2 and 8 in my signature.

Furthermore I have the best type of immunisation and that isn't Pfizer's or Moderna's. But it's Natural Immunity that has served me very well since for over 2 years.

Well yay for you, but for people with heart or lung condition, renal failure, diabetes, or the obese the risks are much higher.

The plan fact of the matter is that the OP is seeing a perfectly normal PSA campaign buy a government that genuinely believes that the vax is both safe and effective, and which genuinely believes that vaxxing people will save lives.

There is no conspiracy, its just a variation on the flu shot campaign that we see every fall.

Sometimes the government isn't wrong, or isn't lying to you.

No we don't know much about it.
Your links don't prove to the slightest what the medium and long term effects are and neither the risk to benefit ratio for all age groups.

Unless you have a time machine...

You make a range of desperate attempts to promote these beliefs/narratives. They clearly don't work in this platform if you look around you.

As one of the Italian European member of Parliament said, this is the greatest medical scandal in the history of mankind.

To name and shame others because they haven't bought the narrative and haven't been naive or stupid enough it's just outrageous and morally criminal. Not to say just criminal.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

It's being almost 2 years and we still don't know much about these products which seem to be dangerous and not safe and effective as they have been advertised. You seem to be in a denial over this matter

n

We know more about it than almost any other vax ever made, the amount of peer review science on it is staggering, please check links 2 and 8 in my signature for hard data on what the side effects are and how common they are.

By the way do you know the medium and long term effects? The benefit to risk ratio for each age group? No. So safety hasn't been established and won't be established for a long time.

Yes, links 2 and 8 in my signature.

Furthermore I have the best type of immunisation and that isn't Pfizer's or Moderna's. But it's Natural Immunity that has served me very well since for over 2 years.

Well yay for you, but for people with heart or lung condition, renal failure, diabetes, or the obese the risks are much higher.

The plan fact of the matter is that the OP is seeing a perfectly normal PSA campaign buy a government that genuinely believes that the vax is both safe and effective, and which genuinely believes that vaxxing people will save lives.

There is no conspiracy, its just a variation on the flu shot campaign that we see every fall.

Sometimes the government isn't wrong, or isn't lying to you.

No we don't know much about it.
Your links don't prove to the slightest what the medium and long term effects are and neither the risk to benefit ratio for all age groups.

Unless you have a time machine...

You make a range of desperate attempts to promote these beliefs/narratives. They clearly don't work in this platform if you look around you.

As one of the Italian European member of Parliament said, this is the greatest medical scandal in the history of mankind.

To name and shame others because they haven't bought the narrative and haven't been naive or stupid enough it's just outrageous and morally criminal. Not to say just criminal.

Please explain why the links don't demonstrate that the vax is safe and effective. You have made an extraordinary claim, so I presume you have extraordinarily proof.

Links 2 and 8 detail the shirt, long and medium side effects with percentages and risks.

No time machine required, anything over 6 months is a long term side effect, and it's been almost 2 years.

Link please to this Italian guy, I don't suppose that they the one who thinks that aluminium in vax causes autism and that bleach can reverse it?

Please remember that some of us are scientists, researchers or are in associate professions, so when you talk about a narrative we look up and tell you that we follow the science

Link for absolutely everything you said, my sources are in my signature, and you can't even name the Italian.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

It's being almost 2 years and we still don't know much about these products which seem to be dangerous and not safe and effective as they have been advertised. You seem to be in a denial over this matter

n

We know more about it than almost any other vax ever made, the amount of peer review science on it is staggering, please check links 2 and 8 in my signature for hard data on what the side effects are and how common they are.

By the way do you know the medium and long term effects? The benefit to risk ratio for each age group? No. So safety hasn't been established and won't be established for a long time.

Yes, links 2 and 8 in my signature.

Furthermore I have the best type of immunisation and that isn't Pfizer's or Moderna's. But it's Natural Immunity that has served me very well since for over 2 years.

Well yay for you, but for people with heart or lung condition, renal failure, diabetes, or the obese the risks are much higher.

The plan fact of the matter is that the OP is seeing a perfectly normal PSA campaign buy a government that genuinely believes that the vax is both safe and effective, and which genuinely believes that vaxxing people will save lives.

There is no conspiracy, its just a variation on the flu shot campaign that we see every fall.

Sometimes the government isn't wrong, or isn't lying to you.

No we don't know much about it.
Your links don't prove to the slightest what the medium and long term effects are and neither the risk to benefit ratio for all age groups.

Unless you have a time machine...

You make a range of desperate attempts to promote these beliefs/narratives. They clearly don't work in this platform if you look around you.

As one of the Italian European member of Parliament said, this is the greatest medical scandal in the history of mankind.

To name and shame others because they haven't bought the narrative and haven't been naive or stupid enough it's just outrageous and morally criminal. Not to say just criminal.

Please explain why the links don't demonstrate that the vax is safe and effective. You have made an extraordinary claim, so I presume you have extraordinarily proof.

Links 2 and 8 detail the shirt, long and medium side effects with percentages and risks.

No time machine required, anything over 6 months is a long term side effect, and it's been almost 2 years.

Link please to this Italian guy, I don't suppose that they the one who thinks that aluminium in vax causes autism and that bleach can reverse it?

Please remember that some of us are scientists, researchers or are in associate professions, so when you talk about a narrative we look up and tell you that we follow the science

Link for absolutely everything you said, my sources are in my signature, and you can't even name the Italian.

I am not the one who has to prove safety and effectiveness. The onus is on them and not onme.

But I can give a very good reason. Because you need to move forward in time to demonstrate safety and effectiveness. And obviously you don't have a time machine.

On the top of this you seem to forget the current developments in terms of short term effects which is a blow to the narrative. See Florida for example and Dr Malhotra's paper.

The extraordinary claim is that they are safe and effective without much proof or evidence.

I think you are in a denial and trying desperately to propagate the narrative that has been dismantled.

Do you still support that shaming others is effective and efficient? Is it moral?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

It's being almost 2 years and we still don't know much about these products which seem to be dangerous and not safe and effective as they have been advertised. You seem to be in a denial over this matter

n

We know more about it than almost any other vax ever made, the amount of peer review science on it is staggering, please check links 2 and 8 in my signature for hard data on what the side effects are and how common they are.

By the way do you know the medium and long term effects? The benefit to risk ratio for each age group? No. So safety hasn't been established and won't be established for a long time.

Yes, links 2 and 8 in my signature.

Furthermore I have the best type of immunisation and that isn't Pfizer's or Moderna's. But it's Natural Immunity that has served me very well since for over 2 years.

Well yay for you, but for people with heart or lung condition, renal failure, diabetes, or the obese the risks are much higher.

The plan fact of the matter is that the OP is seeing a perfectly normal PSA campaign buy a government that genuinely believes that the vax is both safe and effective, and which genuinely believes that vaxxing people will save lives.

There is no conspiracy, its just a variation on the flu shot campaign that we see every fall.

Sometimes the government isn't wrong, or isn't lying to you.

No we don't know much about it.
Your links don't prove to the slightest what the medium and long term effects are and neither the risk to benefit ratio for all age groups.

Unless you have a time machine...

You make a range of desperate attempts to promote these beliefs/narratives. They clearly don't work in this platform if you look around you.

As one of the Italian European member of Parliament said, this is the greatest medical scandal in the history of mankind.

To name and shame others because they haven't bought the narrative and haven't been naive or stupid enough it's just outrageous and morally criminal. Not to say just criminal.

Please explain why the links don't demonstrate that the vax is safe and effective. You have made an extraordinary claim, so I presume you have extraordinarily proof.

Links 2 and 8 detail the shirt, long and medium side effects with percentages and risks.

No time machine required, anything over 6 months is a long term side effect, and it's been almost 2 years.

Link please to this Italian guy, I don't suppose that they the one who thinks that aluminium in vax causes autism and that bleach can reverse it?

Please remember that some of us are scientists, researchers or are in associate professions, so when you talk about a narrative we look up and tell you that we follow the science

Link for absolutely everything you said, my sources are in my signature, and you can't even name the Italian.

Something that you haven't answered yet:

"Did you say above that shaming people is an acceptable and effective way?! Bribing and threatening others?! What about bullying and intimidation"

Also do you think it's ok for the authorities to propagate misinformation about herd immunity?
As you don't seem to understand what herd immunity means. You have claimed before that vaccines are used to achieve herd immunity.