If true this changes everything

a reply to: anonentity

No.

Next?

FFS?

a reply to: anonentity

Did you watch the video in its entirety? My guess is no if you're still asking that question.

If not it's as easy as going to your local bookstore and picking up a book on electrical and electromagnetic theory.

a reply to: AutomateThis1v2

Yes I did watch it in its entirety. Now you go and make a LED glow as he did. It is not like it is rocket science.

a reply to: anonentity

You mean by making a battery?

a reply to: anonentity

Here ya go. Skip to 9:10 if you don't want to watch the battery being made.



Here's one made out of coins



A LED is lit in both of these videos.

a reply to: AutomateThis1v2


Yes but again those are ten times bigger than his.

a reply to: anonentity

Size isn't everything. It's how many electrons are present and able to flow. Add a solution that aids the breaking down of those electron bonds, and you get more electron flow(current).

You could literally piss between two different metals and have electron flow.

If size was everything small batteries would never be more powerful than a car battery.

Here's a pretty quick and fun read on the history of battery technology and how they work.

www.science.org.au...

Here's a slightly more technical explanation.

It's a PDF by the way.

sites.ntc.doe.gov...

And that battery shown in the video of your OP will only work for so long until the the metal degrades. Same as any other battery. Even rechargeable batteries can only hold a charge for so long.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: AutomateThis1v2


Yes but again those are ten times bigger than his.

And ten times bigger is an exaggeration of mass density. The flat battery may be bigger in surface area, but it is certainly smaller.

And you can charge metal to hold more electrons.

originally posted by: charlyv
I think there is fakery going on here. One of the items in the pile is most likely a button cell battery that is the same size and thickness that the other pieces were modelled on. The LED's would certainly light and the voltage would show on the meter since everything on either side of the battery was conductive.

My opinion and any time I see anything like this that looks like a free lunch.

All this does is create current, the energy needs to be pulled from something. It is the copper and zinc that create the movement of energy, the magnets might just increase the energy coming into the electric field that is being created. I did some experimenting with this but felt the energy created was not worth the cost of building the unit presently. The unit just induces a current, the energy has to come from somewhere to power whatever you want to power.

I am more interested in turning water into a fuel and using it to warm my home. That would be easier than making firewood as long as you had energy to start things going and batteries would be needed and energy can be taken from the furnace to charge the batteries if it was designed right. But I never had the drive to test that, it would take lots of experimentation and some awfully strong magnets to break the bonds of the water molecules. I think you would have to lay out the magnets so they pushed away from each other to energize the bonds to weaken them.

a reply to: AutomateThis1v2

So you say that the battery made from elemental material will degrade over time. The elements won't degrade they will still be as they were created for eternity. So you are saying that the plate boundaries will stop the flow of electrons because of ? well tell me when this battery is going to pack up since it has been ringing a couple of bells since adam was a boy www.smithsonianmag.com...

a reply to: anonentity

It tells you right in the same article. It's very low voltage and doesn't use a lot of current.

I've given you resources so you can actually learn something, and you're just moving goalposts in ways that don't even help your argument.

Learn more about electrical and electromagnetic theory and maybe you'll be able to understand how the contraption in the video you posted works.

a reply to: rickymouse

I just think the video is way too unprofessional and sketchy to come to any kind of a conclusion that it is a breakthrough energy harvest. Too easy to fake something in here, like using a button battery. Check out the thousands of YT foolishness using spark plugs and magnets... and to find out some on here are actually building them to see if they work... so much for laws of thermodynamics and electronics theory that they think they do not need...

This free lunch electricity scamming has been a subject of ATS from the beginning. Some people will devote major parts of their lives trying to prove out closed system perpetual motion schemes by building junk that never worked on paper in the first place. Such is this crazy life.

If you want to impress the scientific community with with a novel new energy discovery, then all you need is the math that shows that it can work.

a reply to: charlyv

I collected enough energy off a tree to light a single LED bulb using copper and zinc in the process. It was a low voltage Led, not too bright. What the guy has here probably is only one watt at three volts or so that it can create. Make a good nightlight I suppose.

Like I mentioned, you could possibly run some led lights, but not much else, and the zinc and copper oxidize in the process, so it is just a temporary deal. I prefer the woodstoves that put out a hundred some watts of power when burning wood that they started making in Canada...subtracting energy from going from hot to cold. They also make fans and lights utilizing that energy, but I could not find a standalone unit to bolt to my woodstove that put out a hundred fifty watts, most put out at max fifty watts of power and that bigger one was a thousand bucks. It is similar technology to what they use to take energy out of water, same cell technology that was around when I built my house.

a reply to: AutomateThis1v2

No.

I did some more reading on the Oxford Electric Bell.

It has intermittently stopped due to high humidity, but I suppose it automatically resumes when the humidity levels return to optimum.

I mistakenly said it's low voltage, but apparently it's main mechanism is electrostatic force. The same force that is built up by rubbing two surfaces together. These forces can indeed reach high voltage levels, but under normal circumstances not deadly.

Each bell is situated under a pile battery of unknown composition, though the major speculation is thay they are Zamboni piles due to the only information known about the batteries is that they've been coated with molten sulfur for insulation.

The mechanism operates by the metal sphere that serves as the clapper and the two piles that have opposite charges. When the clapper hits the bell of one pile it is charged by that pile, thus gaining the same charge, then repelled due to having the same charge and is attracted to the oppositely charged bell. The high voltage causes motion, but the charge carried through the spheres is so miniscule the drain on the batteries is very miniscule.

Calling this bell a free energy device or a perpetual motion machine is erroneous. Once the piles have had their charges equalized the clapper will no longer be attracted to either bell.

Zamboni Piles (duluc dry piles)
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Zamboni Piles
Giuseppe Zamboni

Dry piles
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Dry piles are electric batteries that don't use electrolytes.

Dry Piles and related information

Not to be confused with modern dry cell batteries

Dry Cell
Dry Cell

Nvm

An example of Zamboni's "Perpetual" clock supposedly ran for a century. It's basically the same principle as the Oxford Electric Bell only rotated 180 degrees. I'd say gravity had more of an effect on it than the bell version. Possibly longer contact with the pile leads. That's just my first thought on it though.

a reply to: nugget1

He probably means watts. Power factor, volts and amps are used to calculate watts. This is the best unit to measure electricity, hence why you are billed this way.

a reply to: AutomateThis1v2

Perhaps because it is coated in molten sulfur the plates cant oxidize because there ain't none.

a reply to: anonentity

What are you on about now? There ain't none what?

Do you even want to learn, or are you more interested in just making up new questions to avoid learning?

If I answer whatever ridiculous question you come up with next all I expect is another ridiculous question because you want free energy to be reality so badly to the point you're ignoring any and all explanation that doesn't validate your uneducated beliefs.

You may as well start at the beginning and learn about electrons, protons, and neutrons, then go on to learn about valence shells, and why some materials lose electrons more easily than others, and why those materials are good conductors. And then at the same time learn which materials make good insulators.

Then while you're at it learn how electromagnets are made and that you can literally use wood or plastic as a core in one, and why they are so important and useful in electrical applications.

While you're at it learn the difference between direct current and alternating current.

Learn how different types of batteries are made and how they store energy.

And for the love of whatever you consider holy learn to ask proper questions and accept the possibility that if you don't understand the answer someone gives you it's not because they are lying or trying to decieve you, but that you lack a fundamental understanding of the concepts you're asking about.

Because I swear if you're just trolling and actually know what the hell you are talking about and I've just been wasting my time on someone who is being dishonest I'm never going to write more than a paragraph in a post ever again as far as science goes.

I've been up all night and I'm going to bed. Just pick up a book or read some actual educational material, please?

And if magnets actually had any significant effects on making electricity "stronger" it would have already been on the market by now. That's including recent EV battery research in my opinion.

And if anything you'll find three-phase alternating current to be a fascinating subject as far as electricity and magnetism go.