NEWS: Traveling Americans will face tighter border controls

In a move to tighten our borders, the State Department is proposing that by 2008, Americans will need to provide passports when they return from trips to Canada, Mexico, Panama and Bermuda.
Canadians as well will need to provide passports if they wish to enter the US. Presently, if an American wishes to visit Mexico, Canada, all they need to provide is a valid Driver's License. This step will be taken to help ensure no terrorists; drug runners etc. have easy access to entering the US.




Personally, I do not see how this will help secure our borders and prevent incursions by terrorists and the drug / gun runners. To me, this seems as an extension of the Patriot Act and is just another way for the government to track our movements. The people that this proposal is meant to keep out have plenty of other easier ways of getting into the US. Look at the US / Mexican border. It is “porous” by any standards. Even our government admits that it really cannot stop the influx across the border. See the links provide below. This simply does not make any sense to me.

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[edit on 5-4-2005 by kenshiro2012]

[edit on 5-4-2005 by kenshiro2012]

Next step, an internal passport for travelling out of state

Isn't that what they have hired Markus Wolfe for?
I see that from october the US will also be requiring visas for all foreigners visiting the USA, even those just visiting on vacation and visiting friends or family. I haven't seen any costs posted yet for visa applications, although there I have seen a cost of about $68 USD for a B-2 Tourist Visa on the immigration service website.
I see it as just another tax, this time though it's taxing foreign nationals.
Given the amount of foreign travellers arriving in the USA each day, how do they propose to properly background check everyone and issue visas in time?
I wonder if some of the caustic comments I have made in the past about Bush, Clinton, Kerry and many other crazy politicos will go against me.... in the name of national security of course

Ok, I received a no vote since someone reviewed this posting and thier reason was that this is a conspiracy forum and this did not have a conspiracy theme.
Well, let me clear that up.
1) As mentioned in the origional posting, this seems to be an addition to the Patriot Act which to date there has only been one case brought to prosecution for the stated reasons for enacting the bill. All other cases have been for everything from robbery to murder and drug running.

2) It is another attempt by the US goverment to track the movements of it's citizens. It is not targeted for the people who would be doing harm. Note the requirements Americans and outlines what they will need in order to come and go.

3) As an example of where the goverment is actually either looking aside to the issue or they are even promoting the issue, I orovided links to previous links in regards to the major problem that the US is facing with the illegal imigrant problem.

Does this not fit the definition of conspiracy?

Canada is now "falling in lines with the new rulings and will now require Americans to show thier passports in order to cross into Canada.

Americans may soon need passports to enter Canada

my question is why would you want to travel to the US anyways. It is far cheaper and more enjoyable to visit Mexico or Cuba. Maybe the US should just build a giant wall around itself and keep everyone happy.

On the positive side, smugglers, illegal immigrants, and other ne'er do wells will be able to get into the country just as easily as ever.

Just like "gun control" laws and "buyback" programs. All they do is reduce the defense cabability of the law-abiding citizenry, increasing the dependence on the State to provide security.

Meanwhile, the real security problems are ignored for political and financial reasons. no one wants to challenge the mexican mafia, or lose money they save hiring illegals as slave labor.

Why not? We did that philosophically and financially in the late 30's. We let the League of Nations handle all those international problems, and minded our own business like the world wanted.

Then pesky little problems like Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan showed up. And much of the world still blames us for letting it get so bad, thanks to our policies of isolationism at the time.

Now the world wants us to do it again. I say go ahead, we quit taking all the pressure off of Mexico with it's dissatisfied workers unable to find jobs. We quit investing and selling technologies to the rest of the world. We don't provide the majority of the "big stick" the UN requires to earn even the modicum of respect it gets. We stop outsourcing businesses and build economy at home. Might as well invest the billions of dollars spent in foreign aid, tsunami relief, and AIDS funding on schools. infrastructure, and society here.

The world demands our assistance, but like the welfare clients I see everyday, the world has only disrespect for those who work hard to keep things the way they like them.

We can even switch to biodiesel for fuels, and use the Alaskan and Texan fields to provide the pterochemicals needed for plastics. Spend some of that wasted foreign aid and charity on local means to produce plastics and fuels.

Then we'll be strong enough internally, economically, and spiritually, to do what needs to be done the next "Pearl Harbor" happens.

Originally posted by Veebomb_Canada
my question is why would you want to travel to the US anyways. It is far cheaper and more enjoyable to visit Mexico or Cuba. Maybe the US should just build a giant wall around itself and keep everyone happy.

you tell 'em Phuge!!
I hate to sound selfish but if we spent less on the rest of the world things would probably be a little better at home. Things are deteriorating here as more and more of our internal programs get slashed to pay for wars and foreign aid. At some point the american people need to come first when it comes time to decide the budget for the next year!!