Lies Told About Jim Humble and Chlorine Dioxide

originally posted by: TheRedneck
I will not be part or parcel to this madness.

Actually, you've created the madness, as a moderator, parroting the big lie and getting away with it.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
The active ingredient in bleach is sodium hypochlorite (NaClO). NaClO forms naturally whenever chlorine dioxide (ClO2), which is a gas, is dissolved in water containing sodium.

ClO2 as a medicinal is not taken by patients dissolved in water containing sodium.

a reply to: DevotedResearcher
Just look online to see if his statement is true....

Just type:
"NaClO forms whenever chlorine dioxide (ClO2) is dissolved in water containing sodium"
into a search engine.

If it were true it would be online.

I specifically requested a link from him for the same bit you have quoted.

Here is what he replied with:

You want a picture from a first-year college chemistry textbook? Could you follow a first-year college chemnistry textbook?

I am not debating links. I am stating reality. I gave you the chemical information; now what you do with it is your business.

I just hope you don't drink it. ATS does not need to lose members, especially not that way.

The sodium that he is talking about is what's in the body already.......not in the distilled water potion.

Double post.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

EXACTLY.

I am a good researcher but not debater, unfortunately.

It takes a lot for me to dig into sarcastic crap and take it apart.

But it has to be done.

originally posted by: DevotedResearcher

originally posted by: TheRedneck
I will not be part or parcel to this madness.

Actually, you've created the madness, as a moderator, parroting the big lie and getting away with it.

Moderators are also members too and can post, the accusations you're implying maybe against the T&Cs and you could end up getting banned for commets like that.


Bleach and Chlorine dioxide is very dangerous if ingested. This is from the national library of medicine....
Harmful effects of chlorine dioxide exposure

originally posted by: Kurokage
Bleach and Chlorine dioxide is very dangerous if ingested.

Bleach is irrelevant.

ClO2 is a gas that is not ingested when it is used in medicinals, from what I can gather.

a reply to: DevotedResearcher

Bleach and Chlorine dioxide is very dangerous if ingested.

That was just a general warning as it's used as a bleach.

Bold by me...

Chlorine dioxide is a chemical compound with the formula ClO2 that exists as yellowish-green gas above 11 °C,a reddish-brown liquid between 11 °C and −59 °C, and as bright orange crystals below −59 °C. It does not hydrolyze when it enters water, and is usually handled as an aqueous solution. Potential hazards with chlorine dioxide include poisoning and the risk of spontaneous ignition or explosion on contact with flammable materials. It is also commonly used as a bleach.

a reply to: Kurokage
To bleach what?
And at what ppm Cl02 is used to bleach the material that's being bleached?

"Chlorine dioxide is a preferable bleaching agent used in the production of elemental chlorine-free (ECF) bleached chemical wood pulp."

originally posted by: Kurokage
Bold by me...

Chlorine dioxide is a chemical compound with the formula ClO2 that exists as yellowish-green gas above 11 °C,a reddish-brown liquid between 11 °C and −59 °C, and as bright orange crystals below −59 °C. It does not hydrolyze when it enters water, and is usually handled as an aqueous solution. Potential hazards with chlorine dioxide include poisoning and the risk of spontaneous ignition or explosion on contact with flammable materials. It is also commonly used as a bleach.

As you've highlighted there, it does sound like ClO2 is bleach.

But I know that it isn't.

Is the source reliable?

Is anything taken out of context, or misconstrued? As in obfuscated?

a reply to: DevotedResearcher
They mean bleach as in disinfectant or bleaching agent for wood pulp .....in production of paper.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

When ClO2 is used as a bleaching agent in the production of paper, it's not a gas, right? It's in the form of an "aqueous solution"?

Well, ClO2 used in medicinals is also in the form of an "aqueous solution"?

But surely the two solutions are DIFFERENT?

a reply to: DevotedResearcher
I think it's different ppm (parts per million).....different strengths.

It's all about the dosage.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Isn't that well known and a GIVEN when it comes to medicine?

a reply to: DevotedResearcher
It's obvious to me....

originally posted by: DevotedResearcher
I learned about chlorine dioxide years ago when I saw the Project Camelot interview of Jim Humble. I found him to be very credible.

This is from Jim Humble's website:

Fake news has been active in denying that chlorine dioxide (as MMS) helps fight disease and has confused it with common household bleach. They deny the truth by telling lies. Common household bleach (NaClO) destroys pathogens through chlorination. Chlorine dioxide (ClO2) kills pathogens through the process of oxidation, there is a big difference.

jimhumble.co...

The mms solution is only viable for a few minutes after mixing sodium chlorite with asorbic acid creating the gas, and it looks like that takes place above 11C

Below 11C it looks like it is liquid.
And I may be mistaken but the liquid has to be a sodium base?

It is the mixing with sodium that makes it a bleach at that temp?
This could be why one of the smartest and open minded scientific minded moderators and my favorite mod cannot grasp what most of us are expressing from anecdotal experience.
Once mixed you only have minutes to consume it.
But that makes no sense for a bleaching agent.
I am assuming it is bleach when mixed with a sodium solution and lower temp where it becomes a bleaching agent.
I do not have the bandwidth to dig on this but this so far looks like our core debate on this.
It is only the gaseous state we seek and is efficacious

originally posted by: DevotedResearcher
a reply to: Itisnowagain

When ClO2 is used as a bleaching agent in the production of paper, it's not a gas, right? It's in the form of an "aqueous solution"?

Well, ClO2 used in medicinals is also in the form of an "aqueous solution"?

But surely the two solutions are DIFFERENT?

originally posted by: DevotedResearcher
This is from Jim Humble's website . . .

Additional quote:

Since Jim Humble’s discovery, various other diseases of hundreds of thousands have been overcome in more than 150 countries (that we know of) of the world by using chlorine dioxide (this is MMS which is made from sodium chlorite).
jimhumble.co...

Hydrogen peroxide, boron, mms

All considered bleach.
Is boron bad for us?

originally posted by: Nevercompromise
Hydrogen peroxide, boron, mms

All considered bleach.
Is boron bad for us?

Supplementing with boron is not bad for us.......

Nothing Boring about Boron: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...