To all the People in the Hurricanes Path

a reply to: JAGStorm

I don't know. I recall it was a big thing when someone trapped in an attic in NOLA after Katrina for some reason managed to get through to our local talk station in KC. The guy he got through to moved mountains almost literally to make sure someone got to him: chartered flights, contacted an actual rescue team, etc. They got him out, and in time.

Damm…. Hope everyone there stays safe and sticks together, friggin terrifying ! 🙏

I can only imagine how bad it really is, it's not even easy getting in cellular touch with folks (real worried about my best friend and fam, & her various relatives -- no contact)

a reply to: Nyiah

Maybe Elon Musk can send some STARLINK terminals like he did in Ukraine

Been praying for everyone since I heard Ian was on it's way.

He's about to roll over family now.

Praying a bit more.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: putnam6

You did see where Ian is expected to make a second landfall in Georgia or South Carolina triangle state and meander a bit

Yup and as you know I have a bad feeling about that… Maybe worse than Ft. Myers, Tampa…

The problem with Hurricanes is it is the Cry wolf things. So many are built up and they turn out to be nothing so people really think they are nothing, ESPECIALLY new transplants that don’t really understand what a hurricane is.
They also don’t heed the advice to leave 5 days ago. Just hop in your car and drive until you can’t.

I really feel for the people with kids and pets. Bad bad decision to stay.

Yes, but again 5 days ago the track said Tampa pretty emphatically they didn't shift it south till yesterday morning. I mane with this storm you would have had to move people from Naples to Venice and you wouldn't have still got them all.

Where are they gonna go? I do agree that the Lee County PSC said they had room for 40,000 in shelters, but that's still not enough. On top of hell, I got relatives that I probably couldn't convince to leave no matter what especially those with pets and responsibilities. Hell, most times if it was just me Id stay, but with a family Id evacuate. But I understand those who want to, have to stay. It's like the Lee County Sherriff said I can say it's mandatory but I can't make people leave, even though he said he understands some situations preclude that from happening. I completely get not sending people out till it's safe too. We lost a relative years ago in a cherry picker, those are inherently dangerous even in perfect weather. Like I said I don't know the answer here, except stop building in the water or have enough safe places to house your population.
Neither of those things is gonna happen, hell you could have 3 hots and cots for every person and there would still be those who wouldn't or couldn't evacuate. People roll the dice with their safety and health all the time, especially if they don't have a lot of money.

Got a friend south of Sarasota and he is probably fine but we haven't heard from him yet, he wasn't gonna leave his 2 dogs and he was also concerned about not just losing his job, but losing too many days' pay, if he did leave and not be able to get back in. Lots of people in that same circumstances have to weigh their options and hopefully make the right choice.

It's not bravado or lack of awareness or intelligence, I'm also pretty sure he would never call for rescue either, no matter how dire the situation is. On top of this was a unique storm,

I do think people need to be prepared to cut a hole in their roof if they are gonna stay or get a life raft with as much safety gear needed, better to float in a swamp instead of swimming.

Ive lived in Florida most of my life, from the Spacecoast and now live in Key West.

It was bad here, I was expecting it to be rough but didnt think we would get the surge flooding like we got. I believe this was the 3rd highest Key West experienced in the last 100 years. Worse than Irma in terms of flooding for Key West and comparible in terms of wind damage.

We got a hotel last night in case of flooding, good thing we did. Had we stayed in the house with 2 kids, with water coming in the doors it would have been terrifying for them. When it rushes in that fast, you dont know when it will stop.

Our damage is nothing compares to our friends in Southwest Florida.

When the winds calm and the water recedes, this may be remembered as the worst storm in Florida history, already worse than Andrew. The only worse Florida storm I can think of was the 1928 Okeechobee Hurricane.

a reply to: putnam6

Generally FEMA can approve those displaced vouchers for hotel rooms. They did with Irma. Unfortunately today they were unable to take in disaster relief applications for victims of Ian.

Hopefully this happens ASAP, like close of business tomorrow.

Many are going to a place to live for months as they rebuild. Shelters are temporary to keep folks safe from the storm. They were never meant to be open more than a few days.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Nyiah

From a lot of the posts I’m reading people are in their attacks.

Hopefully with an axe or something. But it's FL, most folks don't even have a damn axe because they think they'll never use it

Seriously guys, any word on the Pt Charlotte/North Port/Englewood area? I am NOT liking where it looks like the eye tracked through between those spots, I know people (mostly elderly) in that hell-swath.

Or maybe used to... Holy #.

a reply to: jrod

Irma may have been stronger when it hit Cuba. A staggering 11 million homes and businesses are without power there.

news.sky.com...

a reply to: carewemust

You missed my point. I was comparing the damage in Key West to the two storms. I thought i made that clear.

For Key West specifically, we had more surge and about the same wind from Ian than we experienced from Irma. However 30 miles east in Big Pine had much more wind and surge from Irma.

Irma was a cat 5 and weaken considerably before by it's interaction with Cuba before taking aim at Florida.

a reply to: WUNK22

I'm in Brevard County too.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: putnam6

Generally FEMA can approve those displaced vouchers for hotel rooms. They did with Irma. Unfortunately today they were unable to take in disaster relief applications for victims of Ian.

Hopefully this happens ASAP, like close of business tomorrow.

Many are going to a place to live for months as they rebuild. Shelters are temporary to keep folks safe from the storm. They were never meant to be open more than a few days.

I didn't know that but how inefficient is that, along with why wait for FEMA to approve? and I'm just talking here it's an interesting topic and like I've said I really enjoy the times I've spent in Florida. Wasn't necessarily talking long term here more about the problem of getting as many evacuate when it endangers their lives for 2-3 days not worrying about the aftermath.

But why not give vouchers every year to those who live in vulnerable flood zones, and cut through the red tape to make it easier? even then you would still have people not go, but perhaps enough would. That said I saw where one guy sent his family south thinking it was gonna hit Tampa St.Pete and wound up sending them closer to the Hurricane than if they stayed with him, and watched their house and business.

Yea I know people should be responsible enough, and we will find out in the coming days hopefully we have zero fatalities. Guess it depends on our threshold for needless deaths or should I say Floridians' threshold, this was a hot topic with Andrew IIRC 30 years ago, and Florida's population has exploded since then.

Hell look at New Orleans it's only marginally safer than it was in 2005, is still at risk, and a stalled 3 or a normal 4 or 5, and the Big Easy becomes a big greasy smelly extension of Lake Ponchartrain.

This has been going on the TV, live broadcast and updates from YouTube, all day long. My wife hates me.

This monster is not cooperating with the forecasters. It was supposed to hit Tampa, then south of Tampa, then it decided on Fort Myers. Now it's visiting Universal Studios in Orlando, and it looks to me like it could reform once it crosses Florida. From there, it's anyone's guess... forecasts show South Carolina, but at this point I wouldn't be surprised if it did a U-turn and headed back into Florida.

Or a loop-de-loop and check out Cuba again.

I feel so helpless... a lot of people decided to try and ride this thing out. No way to know if they're still there or not. A close friend was talking on Tic-Toc with some people he knows down there who decided to stay... no word yet on them. Tomorrow could bring some extremely bad news.

If anyone from Florida is reading this somehow, please know you are in my prayers and thoughts.

Those with loved ones in the path of Irma, know it as well.

TheRedneck

From the White House

The President of the United States (Joe Biden) advises everyone to watch the projected track of the hurricane.

If you are in the projected path, for God's sake, GET VACCINATED against the virus!

Source: www.gbnews.uk...

a reply to: carewemust


Crazy man Joe , even uses this hurricane to push vaccine.

a reply to: carewemust

That speech was from last year... just sayin'...

TheRedneck

I'm not sure what the answer is, semi-heated discussions on other message boards on who, what where, and the NHC.

Obviously, it's a little bit of shock because that part of Florida just wasn't as prepared, but that isn't the NHC's fault. People just need to realize you got to evacuate or seriously prepare to hunker down for a few days and or have more local shelters.

The causeway to Sanibel Island has crumbled sections of the concrete, 50 to 60 yard sections missing. Coast Guard is flying over the island they can't even make it to the bridge yet which is probably damaged. See BELOW BRUTAL THAT'S JUST 1 COUNTY


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Hurricane Ian: Lee sheriff says fatalities likely "in the hundreds" on national TV show

a reply to: JAGStorm

Insurance is going to skyrocket.

This is also going to cause some of the migration that happened to reverse.
That happens after every single hurricane. Some people aren’t cut out for weather events.

I'm in Cape Coral. R.I.P. cape coral.

We had no injuries, but the damage is extensive. We got directly hit and rode the east side of the eyewall. The entire power grid is demolished, all the gas stations ruined, I saw refrigerators in the streets.

This entire city needs to be rebuilt.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: JAGStorm

Insurance is going to skyrocket.

This is also going to cause some of the migration that happened to reverse.
That happens after every single hurricane. Some people aren’t cut out for weather events.

Who knows but maybe it should, maybe on the barrier islands there needs to be serious height and even more construction requirements.

It's wild though just checked out Mexico Beach which was obliterated in 2018 3 years later it's coming back. The lure of the sea and she is a cruel mistress I suppose isn't that the saying. See below though to get the 100 million in Federal grants they had much tougher building codes.

health.wusf.usf.edu...

"Everything on the beachside ... was gone," he says. "And what wasn't gone, was so damaged by water. On this place, we had water up to the doorknobs on the second floor."

Eighty-five percent of the buildings in Mexico Beach were destroyed, including Wood's beachside hotel, The Driftwood Inn. Three-and-a-half years later, the mountains of debris are gone and rebuilding is well under way. Next month, the new Driftwood Inn will be welcoming guests. It's the first major business to reopen here since the storm. COVID didn't help the rebuilding effort. It made it difficult to find workers, caused supply problems and pushed up costs. Construction here also was put on hold until the town revised its building code. The new Driftwood Inn sits 6 feet higher than the previous one and is built to withstand a Category 4 hurricane. Wood is asked: What would happen if there's another Hurricane Michael, a Category 5 storm?

He considers a moment and then says, "I don't know. We had to do things like put hurricane-proof windows in, had to put pilings down. So, would it hold up? I think it would hold up. But there would be a lot of damage."

Mexico Beach has adopted one of the toughest building codes in Florida. Al Cathey, the longtime mayor, says that decision was controversial. But to qualify for $100 million in federal grants, he says Mexico Beach had to take steps to harden the city and require new construction to be able to withstand hurricane-force winds.

"And we upped [the building code] to 140 mile-an-hour wind," Cathey says. "And we also made some differences in elevation. And you can see just driving through town, our town is taller. It should be."