3,300-year-old cave from reign of Ramesses II uncovered in Israel

Always fascinated by finds like these, a shame they already have looters. I've always felt sooner or later there is going to be an archaeological discovery that will change our perspective on the world as we know it. Not saying this is it, but this is likely how it will be discovered. Wasn't there a discovery in Turkey recently?



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Archaeologists in Israel have discovered an "exceptional" cave that ancient people sealed 3,300 years ago, hiding grave goods and possibly human burials within it, just yards from a beach south of Tel Aviv.

Use of the cave dates to a time when the ancient Egyptians, led by Ramesses II (also spelled Ramses and Rameses) — who reigned from about 1279 B.C. to 1213 B.C. — ruled what is now Israel, the Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) said in a statement. During the time of Ramesses II, Egypt controlled an empire that stretched from modern-day Sudan to Syria.

Construction workers operating a mechanical digger in Palmahim Beach National Park discovered the cave when the machine unexpectedly penetrated the roof of the cave. Archaeologists with the IAA were then called to the scene. The team descended a ladder into the dark cave that "appeared to have frozen in time," with carefully laid-out ceramic and bronze goods — artifacts often associated with burial ceremonies, the statement said. Such goods were thought to have helped the deceased in the afterlife.

It's not clear from the IAA statement if any human remains, or if any inscriptions or artifacts that could possibly identify the individual(s), were found in the cave. The IAA has resealed and guarded the cave since its discovery, but it appears that it was recently looted. An investigation is now underway to find out who the looters were, according to the statement.

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Awesome. Hopefully there will be some real historical information in there. Not just pottery. I want them to find some tablets or scrolls that rewrite history . lol

Lot of intact looking jars in there. What oh what is inside of them?

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Wasn't there a discovery in Turkey recently?

Why, yes there was!
[archaeology-world.com...]

This is well timed and just as convenient as finding The Dead Sea Scrolls 😎

originally posted by: putnam6
. I've always felt sooner or later there is going to be an archaeological discovery that will change our perspective on the world as we know it.

That has been happening for a century+ or more. Once we figured out how to do excavations :

not in order of importance

Olduvai - ancient man
Dead Sea Scrolls
Pompeii
Tut's & Psusennes I tombs
Rosetta Stone
Catalhuyuck
Gobekli & Karahan Tepe
Cave of Altamira
Discovery of the Neanderthals
Hobbits and Denisovians
Merer's diary
Otzi
Ancient DNA (in general)

originally posted by: xuenchen
This is well timed and just as convenient as finding The Dead Sea Scrolls 😎

Did you even read the story? It was discovered by a construction crew, and while I'm not 100 percent sure, when this happens it's immediately turned over to the country's archeological department. It's literally against the law to not do so.

So care to explain how it parallels the Dead Sea scrolls?

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: putnam6
. I've always felt sooner or later there is going to be an archaeological discovery that will change our perspective on the world as we know it.

That has been happening for a century+ or more. Once we figured out how to do excavations :

not in order of importance

Olduvai - ancient man
Dead Sea Scrolls
Pompeii
Tut's & Psusennes I tombs
Rosetta Stone
Catalhuyuck
Gobekli & Karahan Tepe
Cave of Altamira
Discovery of the Neanderthals
Hobbits and Denisovians
Merer's diary
Otzi
Ancient DNA (in general)

Just a novice here, not an expert but I'll have to research some of those cause I haven't even heard of them.

FWIW I mean earth-shattering find, not just one archaeological significance, where it will be in the news for weeks. I seem to remember Otzi, while an interesting find what was was earth-shattering about it?

originally posted by: nugget1
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Wasn't there a discovery in Turkey recently?

Why, yes there was!
[archaeology-world.com...]

That's pretty cool look at how huge that mosaic was, those damn Italians were everywhere

but I thought I saw one even more recent, a man was digging out his cellar one day and the next they had tarps and screens around his house. I think I know where I saw it will try and find a link

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Amazing.

It is also amazing that a few years after the end of the reign of Ramseys both Phoenicia and The Twelve Tribes of Israel came to be. (1210 by most estimates). Though Egypt withdrew prior to his death. (1230) Also about the time the earliest Hebrew texts were written. All dates for the reverse exodus place it happening between 1230-1175 BCE.

And archeology says: The exodus is largely tales and exaggerations. Egypt withdrew (following a series of defeats, drought, and disease) across the Sinai and the former slaves weren't taken with them.

Egypt conquered Canaan and then hundreds of years later withdrew, and the Canaanites got to rise like a Phoenix. The ones who didn't made up new letters to the alphabet and started calling themselves Hebrew.

And then Egypt came back about 300 years later. And another pharaoh captured Israel again. So who knows what the real timeline is except by excavating and dating it. The same hill gets built on by every culture it seems.

Another good Archeology article on Israel's violent history. A few hundred years after Ramseys.

www.discovermagazine.com...

originally posted by: putnam6
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FWIW I mean earth-shattering find, not just one archaeological significance, where it will be in the news for weeks. I seem to remember Otzi, while an interesting find what was was earth-shattering about it?

Otzi showed that there was an active trade route between northern Europe and the Mediterranean as far back as the middle bronze age. That was very important in the course of human interactions.

originally posted by: Degradation33
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Amazing.

It is also amazing that a few years after the end of the reign of Ramseys both Phoenicia and The Twelve Tribes of Israel came to be. (1210 by most estimates). Though Egypt withdrew prior to his death. (1230) Also about the time the earliest Hebrew texts were written. All dates for the reverse exodus place it happening between 1230-1175 BCE.

And archeology says: The exodus is largely tales and exaggerations. Egypt withdrew (following a series of defeats, drought, and disease) across the Sinai and the former slaves weren't taken with them.

Egypt conquered Canaan and then hundreds of years later, the Canaanites got to rise like a Phoenix and the Hebrews stayed in the same place and started calling themselves chosen.

Another good Archeology article on Israel's violent history.

www.discovermagazine.com...

Not sure if I want to drag religious implications in here just yet, but it's obviously difficult when anything happens in the region. It's one of the reasons it can be difficult to navigate a thread on the subject. Such as this story here that I semi recalled when it happened

nypost.com...

or the Library of Alexandria. So many conflicting stories were some of the collections moved to safer unknown locations, and what knowledge and history does it contain?


Let's face it that's basically what I'm referring to, as to undeniable evidence of our ancient history.

More and more I believe answers to our future lie in getting answers from the past.

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originally posted by: Guyfriday

originally posted by: putnam6
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FWIW I mean earth-shattering find, not just one archaeological significance, where it will be in the news for weeks. I seem to remember Otzi, while an interesting find what was was earth-shattering about it?



Otzi showed that there was an active trade route between northern Europe and the Mediterranean as far back as the middle bronze age. That was very important in the course of human interactions.

I guess earth-shattering is all relative, here's an interesting article from NatGeo, it's amazing like, for instance, his stomach contained H Pylori the one that causes ulcers in modern humans, and an infliction I'm familiar with

www.nationalgeographic.com...

WHAT HIS GUT SAYS
While hundreds of studies have already been done on Ötzi, more are in the works. Now that the Institute for Mummy Studies has sequenced Ötzi’s genome, they’re genetically analyzing his gut microbiome. “We would like to understand the whole community of bacteria that lived inside his stomach and his intestines,” says Zink.

Discover how the Ötzi’s gut holds clues to humans’ spread into Europe.

The diversity of our gut flora appears linked to our health, so researchers are keen to see the makeup of Ötzi’s. One early find, part of an ongoing study by the University of Trento involving Ötzi and 6,500 modern people, reveals that the Iceman had three of the four strains of the bacterium Prevotella copri. Indigenous people around the world have a variety of strains of the bacterium in their gut, but the 30 percent of modern Westerners with P. copri have just one, which tends to take over, reducing diversity.

Another discovery is that Ötzi’s gut contained Helicobacter pylori, a bacterium found today in half of the world’s population, with severe or deadly health consequences for about 10 percent of us. The dominant strain of H. pylori in Europe today is a hybrid of Asian and African strains. Ötzi’s strain is nearly purely Asian, which suggests the African strain arrived in Europe after his death. This has implications for the debate over whether H. pylori is a natural member of our gut flora or needs to be treated with an antibiotic as soon as it’s identified.

Another microbiome study of his gut found the pathogenic ancestor strain of Clostridium perfringens, today a common cause of food poisoning.

No dust or sediment on those jars ? Looks staged

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You might not want to, but I tend to.

Sorry about that. The dates stood out. Right at the outset of the Levantine States. Phoenicia and 12 Tribes.

The history (control of territory and what it was called) from there is interesting. Quick fact check research says the territory where Jerusalem is located followed this path - Canaan -> Egypt (1458) -> 12 Tribes (1210) -> Israel (1026) -> Egypt Sacks Jerulsalem and retreats (925) -> Neo Assyria (798) -> Israel (783) -> Judah (769) -> Neo Assyria (701) -> Judah (626) -> Neo Babylon: (597) -> Achaemenid (539) -> Macedonia/Hellenistic States (330) -> Herodian (Judea) (130) -> Rome -> insert Christianity -> another 2000 years of that. Especially when you get to the Caliphates.

And that's probably wrong. I get two or three dates for every control change. Even Rome gives me both 56 BCE and 4 CE as the date of annexation. Neobabylon is another one. They proclaimed the land in 609 but officially seized Jerusalem in 597. 12 Tribes too. From what I can tell they werent actually called that until backtracking the history of the Hebrews (the original groups that didn't go along with Phoenicia and told a different history) until after Saul in 1026 BCE. But their coming to be paralleled the collapse of Egyptian control over the region.

It has a long history of annexation in any case.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: putnam6
. I've always felt sooner or later there is going to be an archaeological discovery that will change our perspective on the world as we know it.

That has been happening for a century+ or more. Once we figured out how to do excavations :

not in order of importance

Olduvai - ancient man
Dead Sea Scrolls
Pompeii
Tut's & Psusennes I tombs
Rosetta Stone
Catalhuyuck
Gobekli & Karahan Tepe
Cave of Altamira
Discovery of the Neanderthals
Hobbits and Denisovians
Merer's diary
Otzi
Ancient DNA (in general)

Just a novice here, not an expert but I'll have to research some of those cause I haven't even heard of them.

FWIW I mean earth-shattering find, not just one archaeological significance, where it will be in the news for weeks. I seem to remember Otzi, while an interesting find what was was earth-shattering about it?

If you add earth-shattering then nothing reaches that level. The past doesn't have that much impact on the present. In 'modern history' earth shattering were discovery of the Americas (From the European, African and Asian perspective) WWII, nuclear power and weapons, space flight, birth control, germ theory and vaccines/antibiotics.

Cool discovery

Good video


www.israel365news.com...

If it don't validate the Jews right to the land or validate ANY part of the bible it'll be swept under the carpet. That's why the Israeli authorities NEED to be the first ones on the scene. God forbid they find something that's against their narrative. I don't know about burials it look more like an ancient living space.

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the pics in the Initial Post lead me to think the dug-out cellar was just a place to store seldom used goods....and was not an essential warehouse or emergency shelter with 'pantry goods' stocked for a siege stay-over.... a previous Anne Frank hiding place from antiquity

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One day, they will find a Vimana, a gateway, or a Nephilim in stasis. It will shake the world.
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