Religious Paranormal Artifacts (

I was just wondering if any body has ever been to St. Gildard Convent in Nevers, France and actually seen the supposed "Incorrupt Body" of Saint Bernadette? Or has anybody actually seen anything on the Shroud of Turin?
[St. Bernadette info: www.ichrusa.com... ]
[Shroud Of Turin Info: www.shroud.com... ]


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Wyatt

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Maybe its just my computer acting up but I couldn't get the sight to show up. Would you mind providing a link please?

Here's one of many sites regarding incorruptibles:

www.livingmiracles.net...

Some are better than others, some seeming to be in not as great shape, but so old they should prbably not exist at all by now.

Wow I had actually never heard of this. How don't their bodies disintegrate??? That's crazy. Sorry to post a one-liner, but I don't know what to say. lol. Is there any physical explainations for it? Has the church ever allowed any of the bodies to be scientifically tested?

As for the shroud, I have to admit I am a little confused on the issue. You see, I have been led to understand that there were no actual images of Christ created during his actual existence on Earth... no portraits or descriptions... those that we have throughout history are supposedly from artists that lived many years after his death. My point being, at which point did society agree on His image and therefore establish a portrait of reference for such things as the shroud? Of course I could be completely wrong.

Originally posted by Yarcofin
Is there any physical explainations for it? Has the church ever allowed any of the bodies to be scientifically tested?

For the most part it cannot be explained, though there are cases outside of the Church where bodies have mummified in favorable conditions.

Generally it is considered a sign and/or confirmation of sanctity. Though lack of incorruptibility does not mean anything, generally a truly incorrupt body years after burial in conditions where it should have decayed is would be an additional confirmation for sainthood. These saints bodies have also been known to emit a smell of roses, as oppossed to rotting.

Not all incorruptibles have been exhumed for display. Some were discovered and then reburied. I believe Jacinta of Fatima was one. It's a fascinating phenomenon.

It should be noted that St. Bernadette is probably one of the finest examples of incorruptibility, and also noted that once put on display there was concern of deterioration due to exposure. I believe she was coated with something (wax?) to maintain what was discovered years after her death.

Originally posted by cyberfenix
I have been led to understand that there were no actual images of Christ created during his actual existence on Earth... no portraits or descriptions... those that we have throughout history are supposedly from artists that lived many years after his death.

It's been said that this is the true face of Jesus:



Here are a few paragraphs from the source:

It is possible to discover what Jesus looks like by meeting him in the higher dimensions. This is an image of what Jesus actually looks like. It has been verified in the Astral plane by Samael Aun Weor and Belzebuub. Samael Aun Weor says that it is the only true image.
Here is what Samael has written about it:

“The only true image of our Lord Jesus Christ was taken from an emerald cutting sent to be engraved on order from Tiberius, Emperor of Rome. From the Treasury of Constantinople it was given to Pope Innocence VIII by the Sultan of Turkey in ransom payment for his brother, captured by the Christians. This portrait has been taken directly from the priceless emerald belonging to the Vatican Treasury.”

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the "true" face of jesus as seen in the astral plain huh .. no way to prove it, there will actually never be a way to prove it. it just looks like every other depiction of jesus that i've seen, movies, books, paintings, etc. im just confused on how throughout his entire life, nobody had painted a portrait of him, or anything ... its amazing.

Forgive me for being skeptical about the above mentioned "only true image" of Christ. It's funny though, isn't it, that ancient civilizations went ot the trouble to record images on rock of what can today be speculated to represent visitors from outer space, while a religious movement that has redefined the world is based primarily on a figure that was never recorded at the time when his influence was so great. I remember reading somewhere that the first image of christ on the cross was a fish. Can't remember where though.

This is a good find. Way 2 go .

Little known secret. Some of the "incorruptibles" Bodies. Have had a Beauty treatment from a mortician

Just to make them a little less "corpse" like. (grey skin tones, sunken eyes, etc.)

(please note: In order for them to look really "human". They Need Bodily fluids. If they have "True" Bodily fluids. Then they won't preserve.)

Simply: dehydrated incorruptible Human.

Originally posted by TheUntoldStory
the "true" face of jesus as seen in the astral plain huh .. no way to prove it, there will actually never be a way to prove it.

Just because there isn't a way to prove it now, does not mean there will never be a way to prove it.

We could always go to the astral and instead of intellectually accepting knowledge, learn through experience though....