Wind Electricity At Wholesale Gas Price

The one of the greatest hoaxes ,( thought there are many many others too ) wind farms .


Ha ha


The great wind farm rip off: greedy energy giants sell us wind electricity at wholesale gas price

The UK is facing an unprecedented energy crisis with a £100billion bailout set to blow the country's bank balance – and all the while renewables firms are finding huge profits literally blowing in the wind

One of the UK's leading energy experts has explained why the UK is facing an unprecedented energy bill crisis despite having more wind farms than ever before.

Dr Benny Peiser, the director of Net Zero Watch, said the price of electricity is determined by the price of gas on the international markets. As a result, renewables companies are making record profits selling energy that is generated by the wind.

He added that consumers effectively had to pay for both wind farms – which are subsidised to the tune of £400 per household per year – AND a back-up gas-fired system for those days when the wind is not blowing.

Ha ha

He told the Scottish Daily Express: "It's a lot of hot air.

The cost of wind energy hasn't really dropped significantly despite all the PR because it is based on auction prices and contracts.

"The price of electricity from wind is determined by the price of gas so wind farm companies are currently getting record high prices. They say they will just take the highest possible price which is the gas price."

Mr Peiser added: "Renewables only generate electricity for very short periods when the wind blows or the sun shines. Most of the time Scotland and the rest of the UK is relying on conventional energy so you need a back up system for when there is no wind. "As a result, we have to pay very, very high prices. If a gas-fired power plant is only being used half the time because wind is given preferential treatment then when it is being used the owner will ask for astronomical sums. "When wind is backed up by conventional energy the prices go through the roof and that cost is added to the average energy bill. The more wind farms we have the more expensive the costs will be. This was happening long before the gas price went up."

Watch out man, Putin will stop the wind next.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2


Exactly

a reply to: Kenzo

Liz Truss , the new Prime Minister, will be hot on the case.

She used to work for Shell.

I have solar in Australia where it works very well ... for the Power Companies.

Currently paying $AU 0.35 per Kilowatt.

They only pay me $AU 0.06 per Kilowatt for energy I send to the grid.

Then they sell my power to someone else for a profit of $AU 0.29 per Kilowatt.

This process is called Racketeering.

P

a reply to: pheonix358


Ow.... Ouch!


Racketeering indeed

a reply to: Doxanoxa


What was Liz job in Shell ?

originally posted by: Kenzo
The one of the greatest hoaxes ,( thought there are many many others too ) wind farms .


Ha ha


The great wind farm rip off: greedy energy giants sell us wind electricity at wholesale gas price

The UK is facing an unprecedented energy crisis with a £100billion bailout set to blow the country's bank balance – and all the while renewables firms are finding huge profits literally blowing in the wind

One of the UK's leading energy experts has explained why the UK is facing an unprecedented energy bill crisis despite having more wind farms than ever before.

Dr Benny Peiser, the director of Net Zero Watch, said the price of electricity is determined by the price of gas on the international markets. As a result, renewables companies are making record profits selling energy that is generated by the wind.

He added that consumers effectively had to pay for both wind farms – which are subsidised to the tune of £400 per household per year – AND a back-up gas-fired system for those days when the wind is not blowing.

Ha ha

He told the Scottish Daily Express: "It's a lot of hot air.

The cost of wind energy hasn't really dropped significantly despite all the PR because it is based on auction prices and contracts.

"The price of electricity from wind is determined by the price of gas so wind farm companies are currently getting record high prices. They say they will just take the highest possible price which is the gas price."

Mr Peiser added: "Renewables only generate electricity for very short periods when the wind blows or the sun shines. Most of the time Scotland and the rest of the UK is relying on conventional energy so you need a back up system for when there is no wind. "As a result, we have to pay very, very high prices. If a gas-fired power plant is only being used half the time because wind is given preferential treatment then when it is being used the owner will ask for astronomical sums. "When wind is backed up by conventional energy the prices go through the roof and that cost is added to the average energy bill. The more wind farms we have the more expensive the costs will be. This was happening long before the gas price went up."

I used to production manage a music festival. We included a diesel generator in our yearly costs, as a few years before I was involved there was a power outage (mountain town, easy fix, for not refunding tickets).
In the late oughts, and early 2010s I boned up on fossil fuel equivalences, to see if we could save money. I could not find any savings.
I had solar companies offering me free gear for a one off, to show me how I was wrong. I accepted.
They fired up their diesel generator because they did not have the sunlight to power the solar panels.
Solar and wind cannot compete with gas, or diesel, or even natural gas.

I'm all for moving away from petroleum, but the efficiency needs to be equitable. And we are years off from that being a reality.

a reply to: Kenzo

she worked as a trainee economist after graduating uni for a couple of years.. not sure trainee jobs are really the gotcha some people think they are..

I have a feeling that unliked Boris she actually understands that parliament is at last the chance saloon..

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

to embrace this industrial revolution that needs masses of cheap energy any replacement has to be in order of magnitude cheaper not as or more expensive. nor will it help hobbling the others with taxes to create the illusion of parity..

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

I'm all for moving away from petroleum, but the efficiency needs to be equitable. And we are years off from that being a reality.

No we are not. That invention has been around since the seventies. Anyone who works it out is silenced one way or the other.

Most people who know, keep silent.

It is also very easy.

P

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: randomtangentsrme

I'm all for moving away from petroleum, but the efficiency needs to be equitable. And we are years off from that being a reality.

No we are not. That invention has been around since the seventies. Anyone who works it out is silenced one way or the other.

Most people who know, keep silent.

It is also very easy.

P

Hey Phoenix,
Sounds like you have the next multi billion dollar industry in hand.

Best luck in your endeavors. Said with all respect, and a clean energy future.

The issue here is that although around 40 percent of the UK electricity generation comes from sources other than gas turbine stations the wholesale price that is charged is set by the price of gas.

As the solar, wind and nuclear generators are getting paid the same price that has risen due to gas prices it means we are paying them far more than needed and they are making monster profits.

The UK can be run on none fossil fuels and most likely now will be in a few years time.



a reply to: randomtangentsrme

a reply to: nonspecific

its not going to happen in a few decades let alone a few years.. at this point the missteps to force the change to non fossil fuels is probably going to cause a renaissance in fossil fuels as seen in the 70s, we need dirt cheap energy to power the industrial revolution..

a reply to: nickyw
Oh goodness.
Any new tech that can compete will undercut the available tech.

If any tech can compete with petroleum, it will.
I'm sorry you believe anything can.
Said with all respect to you.
And I do look forward to you showing me what I overlooked.

Update for gas prices:


The Russians have shot their bolt in terms of using the gas weapon: things are still very bad but not getting worse and they are beginning to get better. End of energy fear porn

It's too bad things like these weren't owned by the people. They paid for it, they need and use it. Why let the masters have the control and profit? This is so obviously skewed against the people and for the rich getting richer. Anyone can see the injustice here. Why do people put up with it? Time for a take over!

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

here is an outline of my thinking why we are decades away..

of course if new tech can compete it will replace old tech, the operative word is compete, but much of the west is now a fake market with fake competition leaving us in a zombified economic situation, we see this in all the captive markets from water through to energy supply.

the fake competition will fail at some point, in terms of renewables all it takes is one leader doing the unthinkable and removing the over taxation and it'll all collapse, my point on that would be really competitive tech wouldn't collapse if the playing field was levelled. I've heard noises that in this climate the renewable should get huge windfall taxes which could do the same thing by making them unprofitable..

|From what i can tell we are still decades away from tried and tested salt stable SMRs or seeing the mega factories churning them out and the building processes to install them will be like the UK shifting to town gas, certainly not an overnight event.

for a while I worked on part of this at EU level (across 8 member states) the true dimensions are massive running into millions of lines and billions of items, take batteries for the UK its looking like needing mage factories producing 100gw a year, then we need to capacity to charge them..

and thats without even touching the idea you can replace the heating in tens millions of homes in a few years with something not made yet and no idea of the waste.. most forget the errors from the 60s & 70s, with the UKs climate dictated draughty home to prevent mould turn them into seal boxes like the 70s and it invites black mould and illness and we have no idea of waste issues like asbestosis (which my father had)

so here i say we need a means to produce cheap energy then a means to mass produce it and then time to over come the enviro-climatic issues they throw up..

I've not seen anything that changes the premise that we are decades away from that point.., and in the meanwhile when people start freezing some leader will break ranks and burst the tax bubble setting in motion another race for fossil fuels like the 70s as has already started in china..

a reply to: Kenzo

In 2019 the U.K. government was paying wind farms £111 million to STOP producing energy for the grid.

link

If people still don’t realise we are being scammed on massive scale by our own government and corporate buddy’s the Mafia would be proud of, they need a smack in the face frankly.

I was going to try and work out how much government grants have went towards green energy the last 10-15 years, it's been an excuse for higher charges and some schemes that cost customers too...

I also considered doing some maths around Labour's 2018/19 £400 billion green deal plan, what it could have saved us up till now, the technical aspects etc etc.

Then I just read this on the BBC Link you can't be this consistently incompetent.

I don't want to know how many times over we pay for our energy.