Magnetic water vortices - does effect constitute basis for 'perpetual motion' energy device?

Hi ATS,

I was amazed when I first saw this demonstrated on a Telegram video, this was a while ago & I thought at the time: "Could this experiment constitute the basis for a perpetual motion energy production device?"

The only requirement is two fixed magnets, the fields of which can interact through the space between them, which is filled with water.

The magnetic fields' interplay then seem to generate a uni-directional vortex of motion in the water, and the first instinct on seeing this is to suggest that one could harness the motion of the water (& its implicit energetic content) in order to power a turbine, thereby generating electricity, seemingly forever, for free. There is no need to add energy to the system other than to create & emplace the magnets in the first instance - thereafter the motion is sustained without any mechanical action being directed to energise the water's motion.

I wondered again today at this phenomenon, on seeing a video regarding something magnet-related, so I went to YouTube to see what was there. Interestingly, almost all the videos you can find demonstrate a totally different set of effects, using complicated constructed devices with motors powered by batteries which spin two magnets taped to a metal bar in the base of the water glass, thus generating a vortex, but in a way which has NOTHING to do with the original perpetual motion effect I was looking for. The only video in the first ten displayed which actually seemed to demonstrate the effect I was looking for was a short video of only a few seconds in length, with no audio content or description regarding its potentially earth-shattering impact on our notions of the production of energy. Surely, being able to derive work from a system which requires no input of energy (work) is revolutionary?!

First up is the short video which demonstrates the effect I'm describing, and below that is the sham video which demonstrates a total 'non-event' magnetic vortex device. There are several of the sham videos available on the first results page of YouTube, and only one or two showing the real effect. Is this is bit of a cover-up? Is the true effect (per video # 1) an actual effect which can be harnessed for energy production? It would be very easy for engineers to scale this up & use it industrially, if indeed the effect is legitimate.

Enquiring minds want to know...






Cheers,


FITO.

Unfortunately if you put in a turbine to use the waters kinetic energy from the vortex it would cause an induction effect and eventually slow the vortex until it stopped due to the resistance of the turbine.

The amount of energy used to create the vortex will always be more than the energy gained from harnessing the spinning force.

I went down this long rabbit hole before and unfortunately there is no energy hack. The difficulty is getting it to still perpetually move with an energy-generating turbine attached

a reply to: cooperton

What if you continually fed water into the vortex at the centre & allowed the water at the edges to flow outwards & perhaps then fall through the equivalent of water wheels to drive turbines?

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: cooperton

What if you continually fed water into the vortex at the centre & allowed the water at the edges to flow outwards & perhaps then fall through the equivalent of water wheels to drive turbines?

That's a good idea, thats worth a shot. I was thinking of a similar device that would use capillary action to move water up and then have it fall and spin a water wheel in a similar manner. Never got around to making it though. That'd be awesome if it could work. Revolutionary even

a reply to: cooperton

Also the thought which is prevalent seems to be that ZERO work (thus zero energy) is required to accomplish the vortex motion? So there's nothing put in which can be lost - you just have to harness at least a fraction of the vortex motion, and the energy would be free, de facto, forever.

a reply to: cooperton

# I just gave away my future fortune on ATS.

Oh well, back to digging ditches.

What they need to do is start working harder on Wave Power. Any portion of land boarding the sea would have power from the sea based on the waves pushing platforms up and down. So simple, it should be used everywhere. Then you also have redirected rivers that can lead to turbines to spin them then lead back into the main river. Much more we could do!

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

The second video is a homemade magnet stirring plate. A very common item in any chemistry lab.

The first video is 9 seconds long, doesn’t show the whole glass, and we don’t know if it is just water. Probably a commercial magnetic stirrer as well is my guess.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Have you tried searching here for this? The video you speak of sounds familiar, I'm sure that was discussed here a few years back.

Technically our Seas and Oceans are perpetually in motion, i think we need to harness that energy more efficiently than we do.

You would magnetize the water, the net energy you could get from any turbine form from this, would be too low to sustain itself.

You would seriously line up the ions in the water that were capable of being magnetized and it would reach equilibrium, this wouldn't be perpetual motion, but upon outside disturbance of the water, it would have a generative effect again.

So what you're suggesting would gain energy from atmospheric and tidal effects, but the net output would for sure be lower than the maintenance cost.

Best option would be to just make a flat piezoelectric grid that could disfigure in water, and maintaining that grid.
PVDF would probably be a pretty nice option.

It's an even simpler version of your idea, with better outcome. Not perpetual, but actually more feasible.

The videos with the magnets creating a vortex are fake

They swirl water, place magnets next to it, then reverse the footage

These fake videos are all over TikTok. There is another popular version using batteries

Go try it. It does not work

Some parts of what they are doing are similar to a process which will work

But there is no need for kinetic draw

You can draw electricity from water using phase-conjugation of electromagnetic vortices within a binary core

You use titanium cored copper wiring to allow bi-directional sync of current, and you step it up through a series of balanced capacitors

It literally turns water into electricity

I made some diagrams showing how it is done

Yes I’m always a water fan!!!

Water Vortex energy cool stuff.
Looked for any large scale & with magnets (no luck on the magnets)
But did find these videos & articles for very simple (in a way) sustainable energy using gravity.




siamagazin.com...




www.endalldisease.com...

a reply to: SeekingDepth

In the early days of the industrial revolution, whole factories were run from these water turbines, the ran sawmills and lathes highly efficiently with minimal energy loss. With lathes etc run by a belt engaging with an overhead shaft. An electric motor is about seventy percent efficient. I would reckon the direct drive system would be more like ninety. They always had a race from a river and then returned the water back to the river. We have probably gone backward since then.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: cooperton

Also the thought which is prevalent seems to be that ZERO work (thus zero energy) is required to accomplish the vortex motion? So there's nothing put in which can be lost - you just have to harness at least a fraction of the vortex motion, and the energy would be free, de facto, forever.

The second video is the only one that is real, where there's a magnet spinning in the bottom of the glass.

If you were to put a turbine into the water to spin from the created kinetic energy in the vortex, the turbine would begin spinning and create an electric current in the turbine to store power. This electric current induces a reverse magnetic effect that counter-acts the source magnetic field.

This is best demonstrated by the fact that a magnetic object falling through a conductive medium takes remarkably longer than a regular object:



What is happening is that the magnet is inducing a current in the copper that creates an opposing magnetic force that causes the magnet to drop much slower. This is called magnetic induction. It is the foundational physics of most motors. Motors turn spinning force into energy by rotating a magnetic around a copper coil, which causes the copper coil to induce a current.

I agree

Wouldn't tidal/wave generators be unity energy?

I've had an idea for a perpetual motion engine involving permanent magnets that might actually work for a long time now. I would have developed it and released it to the world if I was already wealthy because developing and building it would be too expensive for me! But a first world society kept me poor and unhappy for life (I'm 45 already) so I've decided to keep it to myself and take my ideas to the grave which will happen sometime in this horrible decade because of my declining health.

I have some other great ideas for cheap clean energy as well but you know what, screw the world, it's just too damned corrupt and the elites would just bury them and threaten me to not bring them up ever again because fossil fuels and now green energy are their bread and butter to keep the money rolling in forever just for them...

Forgive my childish response but doesn't magnets "wear out", lose their magnetic power.
So any use and I mean any use of magnets is a one way loser street.

Now the water vortex generator. For your information this is not novel and not new. My great, great great grandad had one, they were called water wheels. They even powered mills. Who would have thought it heh.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Anything used to harness the energy would eventually take it all and the vortex would stop.

The only true ( from human perspective ) perpetual motion machine is the the movement of planets around a star.
If we could harness even a tiny fraction of that energy it would power our civilization forever.

Hey, I am a one lonely man think tank over here that can think up almost anything to save the world, but because the world kept and let me down and didn't save me I will not help save it or mankind!

I consider myself to be an medium-build ugly sort of deformed looking fat guy and because of that I never really had any friends, never had a best friend or a girl friend because only your looks seem to matter to most people. I am pretty damned smart though, lol!

It would take at least 1 billion tax free dollars given to me absolutely for doing nothing right now for me to forgive the very messed up human race for what it did to me all these years. Mostly ignore and avoid me like the plague for life. For me to come around and try to save the planet with my ideas or inventions that would probably do it for me. I wouldn't be able to enjoy all that money for long though as I believe that is the final decade I have left to live. My health is going down fast just like the world's so time is short!

I just wrote this up as I was bored and had nothing much else to do. I was serious about saving the world if I had tons of money already, it would have been fun and given me plenty to do! 🧐🧠💡

a reply to: DoomsdayDude

You do not have the ability to save anyone much less the world.