The dam is beginning to crack.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Yes, I do place some trust in doctors, but primarily I place trust in the doctors who know my medical condition, my medical history, and have demonstrated their expertise by me not getting all dead and stuffs. And yes I trust science... not to always get it right, but to at least try to make it right when science gets it wrong. In this case, that is the basis of my beliefs.

Your trust is not ill placed. It's obviously in very very good educated caring hands.
Hoo rah for that always.

a reply to: Randyvine2

if the last few years have demonstrated anything its that trust has been misplaced.. and the sad part its a self inflicted wound that'll take a generation or more to heal.

from my own perspectives seeing doctors and nurses make false claims about their patients on social media has hammered my trust it was bad enough working in healthcare and them trotting out their stories to see them take it onto social media for followers and likes was and still is indefensible.

a reply to: nickyw

from my own perspectives seeing doctors and nurses make false claims about their patients on social media has hammered my trust it was bad enough working in healthcare and them trotting out their stories to see them take it onto social media for followers and likes was and still is indefensible.

I put it this way. If I don't know you I don't trust you. Because you are human first
before anything. Some see that as parannoid, I see it as common sense.



Trust is earned not given away like a door prize.

a reply to: Randyvine2

not sure the point you are attempting to make, bar confirming my point that trust has been undermined..

I put it this way. If I don't know you I don't trust you. Because you are human first
before anything. Some see that as parannoid, I see it as common sense.

i read what you're saying is if i turned up in an ambulance you'd not trust me to help you, nor trust me to take your biopsies or scans until I earnt that specific trust from you, given the chain of people involved in delivering healthcare I suspect you'd be waiting a long time for the results of any biopsies and scans then..

coming back to the point I was making is the healthcare professionals have undermined the trust that did exist.. failing to recognise that and the weight perception plays in all this is why so many have gone from implicit trust to your kind of mistrust that is leaving them dying at home.

I would argue the key plank of that has been medics outing their patients on social media for followers and likes that are then picked up and pushed by mainstream media trying to sell fear for clicks but instead have crafted the perception that medics and science can't be trusted, now they resort to suggesting everything gives you cancer, heart attacks or strokes it just feeds into that monster..

the only way i see it stopping and the perception shifting is when the other medics start talking out about the erosion of safeguards on the most vulnerable that no one should ever die for any greater good, there is no greater good worth a miserable sh* death..

Pure blood here and for me the veracity of how hard they pushed these rushed and untested vaccines coupled with a very low mortality rate for my age and health status made it an easy decision. Thankful for this site and others which helped give the bread crumbs that my hunch was right! Sadly some in my family didn't listen and didn't die from covid they died within a year post vax. (Cancer) The single biggest piece of info I came across was how some batches for the 2 MRNA vaccines had wildly different VEARS adverse reactions and death stats. It would appear the vaccines are not all dosed the same way. Why else would some batches have zero adverse reactions and others have 100% more...

a reply to: nickyw

i read what you're saying is if i turned up in an ambulance you'd not trust me to help you, nor trust me to take your biopsies or scans until I earnt that specific trust from you, given the chain of people involved in delivering healthcare I suspect you'd be waiting a long time for the results of any biopsies and scans then..

There's a gigantic difference between not having any choice and deciding to trust.
I know you see that. If someone shows up to do their job and I'm the victim of a
motorcycle accident it's not like I can be selective.Right? All I can do is trust you
know you're job. And if you don't I might have something to say about that later.
Don't think the same?

A scan you're comparing to what? An injection? GTFO HERE! They're not even close
to the same thing. They're not even in the same ballpark.

Now a lot of them are acting like they never behaved that way. A few have apologized or at least admitted to overreacting, but a lot of them sure have been quiet. Embarrassment? Maybe.

Dead.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Zenchuck

".... face the realization that the lunatic fringe - the discounted and despised fragment of anti-VAX schizos might have been right all along... "


Of Course MOST of the People who Damn Well Knew the FAKE Pandemic and FAKE Vaccines were Far from " anti-VAX schizos "
, but Level Headed Intelligent People who Saw the Covid-19 CON from the Get Go . In Retrospect , the Left were the Worlds Worst Liars since Mao Zedong ........

One word "Paxlpvid" says it all, but wait it's science and it works, so you won't move on. Being out of touch with reality is something I just don't get.

Indeed: KS: www.youtube.com..., AB: www.youtube.com...

Smart dust, unholy holocaust of unclean swine-zombies salted with malign spices.

For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. (Mark 9.49)

originally posted by: VeeSter
Do all of you realize that this is not an exact science. Yes, there were plenty of mistakes made during the Pandemic. And there were plenty of changes made by the CDC during that time. But do you really want to trust someone on the internet that you've never heard of to give you medical advice. There is no question that the CDC, or Dr. Fauci, or any of a number of other medical professionals wish they could have done things differently. The CDC already admitted to as much. This was an unprecedented pandemic and we were sort of learning on the fly. But I would rather trust the majority of MDs in the world than that of the few that disagree with them. And that's because if I break my leg, I'm going to go to a doctor that can set the break and put me in a cast. If I have heart blockage, I'm going to go to a surgeon that can clear my arteries. If I have a toothache, I'm going to go to the dentist to see if he can fill a cavity. Medical science is far from exact, but it's the best thing we have going.

For sure, I absolutely understand why you would approach it like this, 100%. You'd think we lived in a world that was actually this way and there would be no reason to assume that we don't. I get it!

Now I've been pretty anti-vax way before Covid. But I can tell you, there are things I know now, or maybe I should say things I believe now, that two and a half years ago, I would never have imagined that I would ever believe.

Yes, I DO trust doctors that are not parroting the narrative. Why? Because they have conducted studies themselves, because they share the studies and data with us, because they 100% transparent. Most other doctors don't have the time to study anything. They depend on the CDC and FDA et al to disseminate information to them, they trust it, and never question it. They don't actually KNOW what they're repeating.

In Ontario here, when the Ontario College of Physicians decreed that "Any doctor who speaks against the vaccine or lockdowns shall lose their license", that's a pretty stark message to all doctors.

I truly believe that for anyone who wants to TRULY investigate things, their conclusion must be that something is very wrong - any other conclusion means they are either stupid or not looking. But most won't look because they trust everything, and again, I can see the logic there.

a reply to: Zenchuck
" Pride cometh before destruction, and a haughty spirit before the fall. " Sorry dont mean to nit pick but you couldnt have picked a better verse for the hubris and arrogance you spoke about. I will never trust something that was pushed through the FDA in 6 months. About a year before the plandemic hit, I had been getting a feeling that grew more and more that something big was about to happen. Not even close to kidding. Had no idea it would be a " virus ".

“For the Lord God does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets." - Amos 3:7-8

originally posted by: BlackSerpent
a reply to: Zenchuck
" Pride cometh before destruction, and a haughty spirit before the fall. " Sorry dont mean to nit pick but you couldnt have picked a better verse for the hubris and arrogance you spoke about. I will never trust something that was pushed through the FDA in 6 months. About a year before the plandemic hit, I had been getting a feeling that grew more and more that something big was about to happen. Not even close to kidding. Had no idea it would be a " virus ".

“For the Lord God does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets." - Amos 3:7-8

This.

Sure i wont be the only one to admit that i cant feel smug about this. I refused the vaccine while friends and family went ahead to take it and said i was stupid to doubt that it was safe.

if they were to fall ill i would take no satisfaction in being in a "i told you so" situation.

Just wish people weren't sheep but here we are.

a reply to: Randyvine2

you're the one projecting your trust issues not the other way around nor did I mention injections. I mentioned doctors undermining trust in their own services..

a reply to: nickyw

you're the one projecting your trust issues not the other way around nor did I mention injections. I mentioned doctors undermining trust in their own services..

Okay I have trust issues if that's how you wish to impose it fine now what?
Be direct.

a reply to: Randyvine2

You're not the only one with "trust issues." I actually worry about anyone without some amount of trust issues. To not have some amount of trust issues means one simply does whatever is suggested.

I have varying amounts of trust depending on who is speaking and their history. For example, I could leave a bag with $1,000,000 in it on one friend's front porch and not worry about it; I completely trust his honesty. I don't trust his advice necessarily... he has given me bad advice in the past. I trust my doctor's diagnosis, to a point... if something sounds serious I may want a second opinion. I do not trust his honesty with money.

It all depends on the person.

I trusted Fauci in early 2020; he has exemplary qualifications. However, I do not trust his motives since he has been shown to be less than honest and more political in nature; I no longer trust his advice. Same with the CDC in general.

I don't trust car salesmen, except maybe to follow the letter of the law. I trust lawyers to do what is best for them, not necessarily what is best for their clients or for justice. I trust EMTs as long as there are no personal histories. Heck, I do not even always trust myself!

Anyone who trusts implicitly is a fool just begging to be fooled.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Randyvine2

You're not the only one with "trust issues." I actually worry about anyone without some amount of trust issues. To not have some amount of trust issues means one simply does whatever is suggested.

I have varying amounts of trust depending on who is speaking and their history. For example, I could leave a bag with $1,000,000 in it on one friend's front porch and not worry about it; I completely trust his honesty. I don't trust his advice necessarily... he has given me bad advice in the past. I trust my doctor's diagnosis, to a point... if something sounds serious I may want a second opinion. I do not trust his honesty with money.

It all depends on the person.

I trusted Fauci in early 2020; he has exemplary qualifications. However, I do not trust his motives since he has been shown to be less than honest and more political in nature; I no longer trust his advice. Same with the CDC in general.

I don't trust car salesmen, except maybe to follow the letter of the law. I trust lawyers to do what is best for them, not necessarily what is best for their clients or for justice. I trust EMTs as long as there are no personal histories. Heck, I do not even always trust myself!

Anyone who trusts implicitly is a fool just begging to be fooled.

TheRedneck

Have you since looked into Fauci's past, and how he handled the AID's crisis or all his ties to big pharma and gain of function research?

How he experimented on African american children in New York, tested vaccine to sterilize women in africa and did unessasary experiments on beagles?

a reply to: TheRedneck

I have varying amounts of trust depending on who is speaking and their history. For example, I could leave a bag with $1,000,000 in it on one friend's front porch and not worry about it; I completely trust his honesty.

I'm so proud to say that's the kind of person my parents raised.
I come from a hospital that's no more than five miles away
from where Jesse James was SUPPOSEDLY shot. My dad bragged about
that constanly. Point being PRIDE. I have to much pride than to ever hurt
my mom and dad.

I don't trust myself when I'm ripped.
Niether does any body else.lmao

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Have you since looked into Fauci's past, and how he handled the AID's crisis or all his ties to big pharma and gain of function research?

How he experimented on African american children in New York, tested vaccine to sterilize women in africa and did unessasary experiments on beagles?

Yep. That's precisely why I don't trust anything he says. He's not a doctor; he's a politician with a medical degree.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck
Fauci is a desk jockey that poses as a medical scientist. He has been in his position longer than J. Edgar Hoover was in his but they have common traits.