Baby-fyed dogs

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

She went to far with this. It was a huge misunderstanding paired with a bit histrionic reaction "tossing". All she saw is future suffering of her dog because they are so fragile. I can relate 5%. However I won't "open a barrel" because of this, I will wait.

Maybe tomorrow she approaches us and the world looks different. Who knows. Maybe she learned from this day, also because really, the cheeseburgers were awesome. She missed out on something delicious.

originally posted by: TDDAgain
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I also told her the puppy stays down the next time. It's their house but I pay rent and in our private space I want peace and will not be screamed at again for gently shoving the dog away.
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'Bout damn time!

People get weird about their dogs and cats. They come unglued if someone touches or scares them. Mostly you see this in women, but occasionally you see it in guys. It is never the dogs fault if it does something wrong, it is the other person who caused it. If their dog goes after another dog....they blame it on the owner of the other dog and are very verbal about it sometimes.

If the dog bites someone it is always the person it's bitten that they blame in their mind...that person instigated the dog to bite. Dogs get weird once in a while and will attack a person they do not like the smell of or if the other person shows fear...that is just how it is. People must be aware that how nice their dog acts, it needs to be kept under proper control if you are going to own it. If you train a young dog to act properly when it is young, they learn to not go after others. Slapping them reasonably and scolding them when they are young does work to curb or eliminate this risk. all you have to do once they learn not to do them is remind them with a stern voice to stand down or stop when they are trained properly.

I have had quite a few dogs and cats over the years and never had a problem after they were trained properly, but do not slap your dog if it is not doing anything wrong, it gets to think it is attention, then they actually get worse since they like attention. A little slap to train them when they are puppies can save having to put them down later when they bite someone and it is reported to the police, they can demand the dog be put down or gotten rid of....I know someone who had to have their dog put down when it bit the paperboy and the mailman. It was never trained right when it was a puppy, it should have had social conditioning done properly. If people knew what went on in the obedience schools they would be shocked yet people think that slapping a dog is evil so they bring them to these places. If you don't want to train your dog to fit into society properly, then don't get one.

I am by no means saying anyone should beat their pets, never get to the point that you loose your temper or cool...

a reply to: rickymouse
100% agreed. It's best to just observe how adult dogs interact with puppies. They will absolutely turn them on their back, show them the borders by biting (not with full force). Dogs by instinct then will also start to pacify by licking their own faces and putting the ears down, different posture. These signals just need to be understood and also translated and then used in the interaction between humans best friend.

Socializing is key. In the sub group I was assistance during my dog training club times, we would train mailman, bicycle, jogger and group of people situations until the dog is totally calm and unimpressed by such drive inducing moments. Even gunshots in the training level we were. And a short tug on the leash was often enough to get their attention back to the owner.

My Malinois was really high drive, yet she almost* always listened. We had this thing where we would race each others on field roads. Me in a E30 RWD and she in front, that's how I know how fast she can run. Whenever people approached, I honked and made the lay down hand sign and she listened. People were always impressed but for me it was just normal. Every dog can be trained like that.

In SCH3 level training, the dog let's off the bad guy as soon as he stops being violent towards the owner. It will sit down in front and bark/scare the # out of the violator. I always thought though, how easy it is to calm down for the violator when a dog is pulling on the arm that isn't protected by the full-arm glove used in training.

Yet she never showed aggression towards the "bad guy"-actor. No, she would treat that person just the same and didn't connect it. Because it is playtime for these dogs. That's why K9 units and similar also let them "win" even when they didn't find the bad guy or drugs, they substitute it with someone else. So the dog has a moment of achievement and is happy.

Yet with all her training, she never showed violence towards any person and wasn't easy triggered by just moving fast or raising a hand. One of the most lovely situations I saw was when my daughter started walking, there was a situation where another dog wanted to approach my daughter, who then got scared, my dog felt that and just put itself in between the two, stoic. My daughter then grabbed her and she would escort her until she let off. I was standing beside though. I was super proud of her social understanding. Whenever kids annoyed her, she just bailed with a sharp exhalation through the nose.

And even if a dog growls to be left alone that's not aggressive behavior but one of the warning signs. She never growled at kids though, she just would leave the spot.


*Except that one time when she went after a group of deers in flight mode what kicked in her drive, but I (Pack leader/Alpha) was not walking her that time, I was at work when it happened. The best example that even a very good trained and behaved dog, can bust a fuse someday. You never know. She came back with a stick in her, perforated the spleen. Doctor gave her one year, she made another five on top of it.

a reply to: TDDAgain

I’d give it a bowl of beer and get it drunk.

a reply to: incoserv

Pan fried asian style obviously lol!

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: incoserv

Pan fried asian style obviously lol!

Why asian your a rayciss why not texas bbq? Whats a matter with you?!

a reply to: Brotherman

Texans aren't known for eating dogs...well maybe it the alamo possibly lol...but not as a choice more so a necessity.

a reply to: TDDAgain

Belgian shepards are amazing dogs!

I'm guessing it's a male too? Mollycoddling it won't do it's physical development any favours. It needs to reach, climb and use those back legs. I haven't had much experience with them yet all my interactions indicate they're lazy, dumb and mischievous but maybe that was their owners...

It's at that age it'll start setting in it's ways which is really sad to hear, that's just work all round isn't it?

They're getting on, that dog's a danger and a menace! Get the damn mutt trained! But seriously an elderly person falling over a dog sounds like a very serious probability.

a reply to: RAY1990
The dog that it's about is a French Bulldog. The other older one is well behaved.

Mine was a female Malinois (Belgian Shepherd), she died a few years ago. Looked like a fox a bit and was as crazy as one sometimes. Very intelligent too. She had a few tricks up her sleeve, like bringing the garbage out. These dogs love to work and learn.

She had a weakness for stealing hair ribbons. Whenever she spotted a pony tail or a hair ribbon in reach, she snuck up behind me or my friends, like over the couch and gently hook one front tooth into the ribbon, then pull it down slowly and as soon as it came loose, she darted away. Sometimes she did it so silent and gently, we would only noticed when she paraded it around with the front teeth like a trophy and everyone was checking their hair lol. Trying to get us to chase her, play with her respectively.

But one hand command and she would give it back to me and sit down in front, expecting something in exchange. Because she was trained SCH3, she could also follow smell trails and be sent around far away obstacles with hand signs. Climb ladders, jump 2m high fences with ease. Race me against the car. Before we went to bed each evening, we touched foreheads, that was our ritual.

Always at my side and so gentle around kids. She was the most complete dog I ever knew. She left a hole that can not be filled. That's why I partly understand my landlords wife, but she lacks training her dog. It's an accident waiting to happen. Not biting but getting in harms way all the time and not learning. Because that Bulldog knows zero consequences.

I would upload a picture but the upload site on ATS is broken.

this one worked
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a reply to: TDDAgain

My bad, I'm aware the dog is a French Bulldog and I probably could have worded things better.

I had a mongrel that was half Belgian when I was young and she was an amazing dog, really well behaved despite not being trained very much. She used to catch birds out of the sky, she'd release them but it obviously didn't always work out for the bird. Got rid of her eventually :/

She was about 4-5 though and parents weren't that dog savvy so it was for the best. I've got a couple of horror stories where I've been lucky with poorly trained dogs, people used to let them run loose when I was young. I've seen a couple pet rehab centers though and I some people who can't help themselves but do things like that so I've got to see that any animal (or person!) can be retrained, domesticated and find a home. So it's not all doom and gloom, although those places are a bit strained these days.

Obviously not hinting that the inevitable place for this bulldog is the kennels yet how many live in denial with unruly dogs until they admit they can't manage? You've already fallen over the damn thing and there's little chance for you to break your hip and die to put it bluntly.

Beautiful pictures btw