Trump moves closer to getting a ''special master''

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

That's not what happened.

The Archivist is the head of NARA. In January, NARA retrieved fifteen boxes from MAL. In those boxes, NARA discovered classified documents mixed in with unclassified documents. Being the head of NARA, the Archivist then reported the findings to the DOJ to investigate whether Trump was mishandling classified documents.

a reply to: Xcalibur254
If returned how were they “mishandled “?

originally posted by: rnaa
a reply to: shooterbrody

We know for a fact his 4th amendment rights have been violated twice.

You use that word 'fact' here. I'm not sure you know what that word 'fact' means.

No forget I said that.

I am actually quite certain that you have no idea what the word 'fact' means.

It is ok
You people have no bill of rights

The doj made a public statement admitting taking property from his residence outside the scope of the warrant sport.
That is a violation of his civil rights.
The 4th amendment to be specific.

You guys do have “facts” down there?

a reply to: carewemust

Citizens Arrest is a very powerful condition because many things have to apply in order for it to work.

1. The citizen has to witness a legitimate felony committed before them. Not “as seen on TV” or other excuse.
2. The citizen gains arrest power in all US States and Territories and may pursue them. That makes them roughly equal to a US Marshall in jurisdiction.
3. The citizen is not held to the same standards as law enforcement. They can use lethal force to prevent fleeing or self defense for example without demonstrating the standard threshold of danger to themselves or the public.
4. Which is why it must be a felony. A misdemeanor means the citizen will likely be held on harassment, kidnapping or unlawful detainment charges as well as coercion, color of law, threats of violence/confinement, etc.

One other small condition, you have to turn your captive felon over to a recognized authority. Who could in theory, un-cuff, hand them a baton and turn their back as they gave you a beat down.

I guess the best example of this in action would be, at what point was Derek Chauvin fair game to be attacked? Too early and you are striking an officer and interfering with police business. Too late and George Floyd is still dead, which defeats the purpose of interceding on his behalf. But there was a moment in time that all four cops could have been arrested legally by the crowd…and curb stomped if they resisted. For refusing to submit to lawful orders of arrest for severe disregard of civil rights and personal safety or as an accessory to the same.

Can’t say murder because Floyd was taken away in an ambulance. You didn’t witness his death directly, for sure. So you didn’t know. He might have made it.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: frogs453

No claims of declassification occurred during the June visit from the feds.

And as for those claiming that Trump was so helpful and told them in June to look wherever they wanted. Not true:

The Justice Department also noted that at a June 3 meeting at Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s aides treated the documents as though they remained classified, never contending that Trump had actually declassified them and producing some in “a single Redweld envelope, double-wrapped in tape.”

A Trump attorney then asserted in a certification letter to the government: “A diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Florida” and that “any and all responsive documents accompany this certification.” At the meeting, Trump’s attorneys insisted that no subpoenaed documents were held in any other parts of the property but “explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room.”

Thanks for highlighting the continued communication between the two.
As to trump himself what you quoted does not match what was posted.
Care to add some clarity, or you just lie about people intentionally?
TIA

a reply to: shooterbrody

Because they were improperly stored.

If classified documents aren't in direct possession of someone authorized to read them they need to be stored in a secure facility. A box full of napkins, menus, etc. is not a secure facility.

Furthermore, the Archivist reported that the it appears some of the documents had been ripped up and taped back together. That's another big no-no.

So from afar, the fbi admitted lying to get a fisa warrant which continued a stalled “investigation “ proved to be political dirty tricks, later the fbi gets another warrant, questionably, and takes property outside its scope, then fights for less transparency by denying a special master?

Wow

Who here is for less government transparency?
Come on step up and let us know.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: shooterbrody

Because they were improperly stored.

If classified documents aren't in direct possession of someone authorized to read them they need to be stored in a secure facility. A box full of napkins, menus, etc. is not a secure facility.

Furthermore, the Archivist reported that the it appears some of the documents had been ripped up and taped back together. That's another big no-no.

Excellent
Read the statute for such
Who stored the material?

You people are hilarious

Pretty sure if you had a video of Joe Biden picking his nose and eating it, that video would be classified. Which means you would have a classified document in your possession that you did not have the clearance level to possess…

There is a good question…does Trump as a former President still have the clearance to see those documents. We know he did as POTUS. Was the info scrubbed from his mind on Jan 22, 2021? So he probably still knows what is on those documents, right?

And if those documents have any sort of proof of wrongdoing against him….obstruction is the absolute last word anyone would want to say, right?

a reply to: shooterbrody

Who physically stored the documents isn't what's important. It's who was the last person to sign the Classified Document Accountability Record. There's a paper trail showing who was supposed to be responsible for these documents. If that person allowed someone else to handle those documents and improperly store them, then the person responsible for the documents is one that mishandled them.

Lol
You are cute.
Read the statute hun.

Also, are you also against this request for government transparency?

a reply to: shooterbrody

Huh? Continued communication? This was during the subpoena that his lawyers explicitly forbid the feds from looking anywhere and advised they turned over all classified docs.

As for Trump himself. He stated:

"[T]hey didn't need to "seize" anything," he said in a Truth Social post Friday. "They could have had it anytime they wanted without playing politics and breaking into Mar-a-Lago. It was in secured storage, with an additional lock put on as per their request... …They could have had it anytime they wanted—and that includes LONG ago. ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS ASK." 

Link



Do you want me to go through all the threads here to provide all the posts from members who claimed that at the time of the subpoena that the President was willing to let them search wherever they wanted? You seem to have conviently forgotten all of those posts.

ETA: link didn't work. Had to re-source the info and added new link.

a reply to: Ahabstar

Well, the DOJ trying to deny a special master is highly suspicious on their part, whether they realize it or not (most likely not). This suggests that there is something in those documents that they don't want to get out, not even to the judge. This fits with the multiple reports from several people that what the FBI was really looking for was documents that show the FBI's own wrongdoing during the investigations against Trump.

originally posted by: Ahabstar
Pretty sure if you had a video of Joe Biden picking his nose and eating it, that video would be classified. Which means you would have a classified document in your possession that you did not have the clearance level to possess…

There is a good question…does Trump as a former President still have the clearance to see those documents. We know he did as POTUS. Was the info scrubbed from his mind on Jan 22, 2021? So he probably still knows what is on those documents, right?

And if those documents have any sort of proof of wrongdoing against him….obstruction is the absolute last word anyone would want to say, right?

No he does not have the right to have TS/SCI documents in his home. The DOJ laid that all out in the filing.

a reply to: frogs453
So trump clearly offered.
Specifically which agents took up that offer and were denied?
Not”sources say”.
Which ones?

This he said she said is why TRANSPARENCY is needed.
A search warrant was issued on a non criminal statute over a he said she said situation.

Again, kindly, why should there be no special master?

a reply to: shooterbrody

His lawyers forbade it. His lawyers represent him. Can you imagine your outrage if they defied his lawyers and searched without a warrant?

Well, Trumps lawyers have today to respond to the DOJ filing. So let's see if there's any denial on their part?

a reply to: frogs453
Says “sources”?

They used circular media reporting to get this warrant, you are doing the same.

There is evidence of communication from both sides.
There has been no official documentation shown to the public indicating anything less than legal cooperation.


A special master is appropriate and necessary.

a reply to: frogs453

If you saw something, are you just going to unsee it? Like Obama sucker punching George Bush? Especially if it was a nut shot and Bush draws in a quick breath to try to ignore the pain and lets out a weak “dah-ow” 10 seconds laters while exhaling.

Would you give up a hidden camera video of that, especially if it captured that gasping sound perfectly? I mean you will have your memory, sure. But time gets us all. And that is like a once a week viewing and twice on Sundays.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Well if all this information is incorrect, we should see it in his lawyers filing today.

a reply to: shooterbrody

18 U.S.C. §§ 793, 2071 , and 1519 are the statutes cited in the search warrant and affidavit. Every single one of those is a felony. Where are you getting this claim about non-criminal statute?