Are there Nazis in Ukraine?

Yesterday a member of the forum wrote to me about "invisble Ukrainian nazis" (Kurokage) - www.abovetopsecret.com...

I intend to show that they are not just "ghosts" from Russian propaganda and that their presence in Ukraine has quite material traces.



English Wikipedia:

Roman-Taras Yosypovych Shukhevych (1907–1950), was a Ukrainian nationalist, one of the commanders of Nachtigall Battalion, a hauptmann of the German Schutzmannschaft 201 auxiliary police battalion, a military leader of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), and one of the organizers of the Galicia-Volhynia massacres of approximately 100,000 Poles.

In June 2017, the Kyiv City Council renamed the city's General Vatutin Avenue into Roman Shukhevych Avenue.

en.wikipedia.org...


Roman Shukhevych Avenue (Kyiv) -
www.google.com/maps/search/
Kyiv+roman+shukhevych+avenue/@50.4947045,30.5684287,17.75z

Stepan Andriyovych Bandera (1909–1959) was a Ukrainian far-right leader, politician and theorist of the militant wing (OUN-B), who served as head of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, an organization dedicated to the independence of Ukraine but also responsible for ethnic cleansing and implicated in collaboration with Nazi Germany.

the Kyiv City Council on 7 July 2016 voted 87 to 10 in favor of supporting renaming Moscow Avenue to Stepan Bandera Avenue.

en.wikipedia.org...


Stepan Bandera Avenue (Kyiv) -
www.google.lt/maps/search/
проспект+Степанан+Бандери/@50.4893469,30.4907463,18.5z

The 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician), known as the 14th SS-Volunteer Division "Galicia" (German: 14. SS-Freiwilligen Division "Galizien") prior to 1944, was a World War II German military formation made up predominantly of military volunteers with a Ukrainian ethnic background from the area of Galicia, later also with some Slovaks. Formed in 1943, it was largely destroyed in the battle of Brody, reformed, and saw action in Slovakia, Yugoslavia, and Austria before being renamed the first division of the Ukrainian National Army and surrendering to the Western Allies by 10 May 1945.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)


Soldiers Division "Galicia" Street (Ternopil) -
www.google.lt/maps/place/
Ternopil,+Ternopil+Oblast,+Ukraine,+46003/@49.5517072,25.6030523,20.04z



And so on.

Hundreds of streets in different cities of Ukraine are named in this way.

There are monuments to Nazi accomplices in the squares of Ukraine in their honor, museums are open, but on the forum some people write to me about "invisble Ukrainian nazis."

Write to me if there is a street of Hitler in your city?

a reply to: turretless

Probably. We have Nazi's in the United States. Some brave enough to fly their flags on their homes.

a reply to: turretless

Unfortunately there are 'Nazi's' everywhere.....including Russia.

Sure, they vary in numbers and influence and if I'm being brutally honest its my experience and understanding that its more common throughout the whole of Eastern Europe than Western Europe.

a reply to: Freeborn

Unfortunately there are 'Nazi's' everywhere.....including Russia.

Now how many of those Nazis are embedded in the Russian Military like the Ukrainian military is?

Even poroshenko has said and mentioned in a interview that the far right in Ukraine are its national heroes. I had posted this many times with Articles from BBC among others and some of you who are pro Ukrainian i know why..

tend to ignore the reality in Ukraine and quickly resort back to the old usual saying But Russia has Nazis...

a reply to: Freeborn

This conflict in Ukraine has being happening for 8 years and for 8 years the far right nationalists had being attacking, attacking civilians and families in Eastern Provinces like the ones around Donbass.

All while having the full support of the UK and US governments.


What is happening in Ukraine is a proxy war.

a reply to: turretless

I could post news interviews of what poroshenko said in a interview.

a reply to: turretless

so in germany many nazis were allowed to live a nice life after the war, streets were named after them, squares, but then sometime in the late 60's the evil leftist youth (today cancel-culture) started to rebel against it and so over time some were unnamed but in fact unfortunately there are still many nazi streets in germany today. nazis anyway. unfortunately they don't die out. as you can see in the usa too.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: turretless

Probably. We have Nazi's in the United States. Some brave enough to fly their flags on their homes.

In my opinion, there is a big difference between a Nazi hiding in the basement and a Nazi standing near the levers of government.

Explain Nazi.

What exactly is a Nazi?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: turretless

Unfortunately there are 'Nazi's' everywhere.....including Russia.

Sure, they vary in numbers and influence and if I'm being brutally honest its my experience and understanding that its more common throughout the whole of Eastern Europe than Western Europe.

Can you imagine at what level of power one must be in order to have the right to change the names of streets in a capital of a country?

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: turretless

I could post news interviews of what poroshenko said in a interview.

I don't mind this.

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: turretless

Probably. We have Nazi's in the United States. Some brave enough to fly their flags on their homes.

In my opinion, there is a big difference between a Nazi hiding in the basement and a Nazi standing near the levers of government.

"In past elections, radical right-wing parties have always performed poorly. The far-right party Svoboda came in at around two percent in 2017, and far-right presidential candidates have achieved even worse results in the recent past."

www.br.de...

"It is no secret that in Ukraine - as in Russia and many other countries - there are individual radical right-wing groups that have little or no influence on society."

www.n-tv.de...

originally posted by: loufo
a reply to: turretless

so in germany many nazis were allowed to live a nice life after the war, streets were named after them, squares, but then sometime in the late 60's the evil leftist youth (today cancel-culture) started to rebel against it and so over time some were unnamed but in fact unfortunately there are still many nazi streets in germany today. nazis anyway. unfortunately they don't die out. as you can see in the usa too.

It would be better if you clarified in this post that you are only writing about West Germany.

East Germany was denazified.

originally posted by: Annee
Explain Nazi.

What exactly is a Nazi?

These are fans of the ideas contained in the book of fairy tales called My Struggle.

a reply to: turretless

There are more Nazis in the current US government than are in Ukraine.

originally posted by: loufo

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: turretless

Probably. We have Nazi's in the United States. Some brave enough to fly their flags on their homes.

In my opinion, there is a big difference between a Nazi hiding in the basement and a Nazi standing near the levers of government.

"In past elections, radical right-wing parties have always performed poorly. The far-right party Svoboda came in at around two percent in 2017, and far-right presidential candidates have achieved even worse results in the recent past."

"It is no secret that in Ukraine - as in Russia and many other countries - there are individual radical right-wing groups that have little or no influence on society."

In the first post of the topic, I demonstrated the material presence of their influence in Ukraine.

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: loufo
a reply to: turretless

so in germany many nazis were allowed to live a nice life after the war, streets were named after them, squares, but then sometime in the late 60's the evil leftist youth (today cancel-culture) started to rebel against it and so over time some were unnamed but in fact unfortunately there are still many nazi streets in germany today. nazis anyway. unfortunately they don't die out. as you can see in the usa too.

It would be better if you clarified in this post that you are only writing about West Germany.

East Germany was denazified.

not true.

"According to the Central Institute for Youth Research (ZIJ; 1988 study), 12 percent of 14- to 18-year-old GDR youth agreed with the statement "National Socialism also had its good sides." This proportion rose to 14 percent by May 1990, to 19 percent by November 1990, and to 24 percent by 1992."

de.wikipedia.org...

also interesting: in the 80s the gdr gave shelter to internationally wanted left-wing terrorists (raf).

originally posted by: VierEyes
a reply to: turretless

There are more Nazis in the current US government than are in Ukraine.

Let's wait until the Russian army in Ukraine carries out denazification.

Russia will probably take over the US government later.

a reply to: turretless

Nazism emerges in Russia, as Russian neo-Nazis fight in Ukraine

NEO-NAZIS IN RUSSIA

Why are German neo-Nazis training in Russia?

Russia's long history of neo-Nazis

Russian state’s long history of cultivating homegrown neo-Nazis

Russia’s political line: neo-Nazism

Russian Neo-Nazis Participate in ‘Denazifying’ Ukraine

originally posted by: Annee
Explain Nazi.

What exactly is a Nazi?

noun, plural Na·zis.
- a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, which controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler and advocated totalitarian government, territorial expansion, anti-Semitism, and Aryan supremacy, all these leading directly to World War II and the Holocaust.
- (often lowercase) a person elsewhere who holds similar views.
- (often lowercase)Sometimes Offensive. a person who is fanatically dedicated to or seeks to regulate a specified activity, practice, etc.:
a jazz nazi who disdains other forms of music; health nazis trying to ban junk food.