Moon UFO - Debunked?

Well I was going to post some excellent photos for discussion regarding a Moon UFO but ATS no longer allows for the uploading of photos. Anyone have an idea when this will be fixed or if it will be fixed? What's the point of a forum if we cannot post still or video?

Anyway onto the story....

Anyone here debunked the photo at this link? If you download the original photo and zoom into the top right you can clearly see a triangle UFO. Curious to know if this has been debunked or not?

www.hq.nasa.gov...

a reply to: Type1338

Yes, posting photos here is bunk.

Don’t let that discourage you, your photo link is working. I can see it.

Please give a description of what you’re seeing in the image, as I’m not seeing any anomalies.

a reply to: Type1338

I actually see it if you cant.
Its small.

Try this img.abovetopsecret.com...

Something happening with the security cert, but you can still get to the upload page. Just tested it.

Here's an old image from the moon with some kind of machinery on it. Just grabbed from uploads page. Or if you click uploads and see that error page, just copy the URL it shows and paste into browser. Loads it sort of manually that way.

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: Type1338

Yes, posting photos here is bunk.

Don’t let that discourage you, your photo link is working. I can see it.

Please give a description of what you’re seeing in the image, as I’m not seeing any anomalies.

When you click on the link you can then click on the photo and it will blow it up. Look all the way to the right just above the far right mountain. Maybe 3 fingers up is a triangle. Or...if you right click on the image and save it to your computer desktop you can then scroll all the way in on the image and see it very clearly.

That's what I had originally done and wanted to post here but blah...ATS has turned into a 3rd rate board at this point.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Try this img.abovetopsecret.com...

Something happening with the security cert, but you can still get to the upload page. Just tested it.

Here's an old image from the moon with some kind of machinery on it. Just grabbed from uploads page. Or if you click uploads and see that error page, just copy the URL it shows and paste into browser. Loads it sort of manually that way.

Wait...how did you post the photo in your post? I have 3 photos I can add to my post, however, the upload feature no longer works. How did you do this?

When I go to the "upload" feature I get this error message:

The webpage at img.abovetopsecret.com... might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.

I also can't upload it but I found what you are talking about.

It is just above and right of where the rightmost hill meets the next one going left. The cropped off hill.

It is three dots in a triangle. The problem is I have to turn the brightness, contrast, and exposure up all the way. It is not visible without playing with the photo settings.

I saved a zoomed cropped image as original and adjusted but can't upload them.

One is just black sky and the other is three dots.

I don't think they are stars as the three dots are the only thing visible in the sky with the adjustments. Some other stars should be visible if they are stars.

Now, with stars eliminated we have to remember we are dealing with film and a film camera.

It could be dust specks but I don't see any more.

They are in a triangle which eliminates some internal reflections in the camera or lense. The ones that commonly show up in a line.

They are in sharp focus and definitely dots which tends to eliminate film scratches.

I am not certain of possible gamma ray traces but I think they would not be likely to be round dots and more like tiny comets or ovals.

As the exposure was set low for the brightness of the sunlight reflecting from the Moon surface, they would have to be pretty bright to be captured on film but not bright enough to be noticed.

I also can't think of an angle the capsule and command module would make a reflection of a three dot triangle. It should be a single dot or line.

It could not be a multiple exposure of the capsule as that would ruin the main part of the photo by overexposure.

I think you have a possible I don't know there. Good find.

Edit: I have looked at it some more and it does not align with the grid installed in the optics of the camera.

Edit: I have also examined the next photo in the series, it does show that area but there are no dots in the sky with the adjustments. I loceted a photo further along in the series with dark sky in that area of the camera and with the same adjustments, there is nothing visible. This indicates the dots are not in the camera.

This leaves dust on the film or print, a bad spot on the film or print from manufacturing, a straight on parrell gamaray tract that left three dots (I think that would show in other nearby prints in the series as well) or lastly, there was something there.

This is a tough one to prove wrong.

Any other ideas or suggestions?

a reply to: Type1338

When you see that page with the error message it also displays that URL address. Copy and paste that in browser. It's different address than the one you click that says uploads. It then takes you to that page, but at first it shows another error that the page is not private. there's a link for "additional details" if you click that it has another link that says "page might not be secure , then click "take me to ________ page anyways. Then it does indeed load the regular uloads page with all your images you uploaded over time.

This first one is as saved from nasa but only zoomed and cropped.

This one is the same one as above but with the brightness, exposure, and contrast cranked up all the way.

When you zoom on these, the dots are no longer purfectly round and have some artifacts but I think that might be from zooming in too much.

This one is the original as saved from the link in the op.

I checked and the third picture does show the dots when adjusted after saving it. You can examin it or get a copy from the link in the original post above.

I hope this helps show what is being referred to in the op.

It's most likely to be a fault in the film. It's taken from inside the LM, which lessens the likelihood of the kind of damage seen in many Apollo 14 pictures. It could in theory be reflected light but there are many lights inside the LM, and the configuration of it doesn't seem to match any of the many panels they had.

That leaves something outside or something physically wrong with the film. The dots don't appear in any of the images either side of that one take at the same time, there are no comments from the crew.

It's not a digital artefact from scanning as they can also be made out on the version included in the preliminary science report (the versions scanne donline aren't great, but I have an original copy).

They aren't stars, so the balance of probability says something wrong with the film.

use the ats tags to embed a short image link, it breaks with those funky long links with an entire alphabet encoded in it.

PS: I don't see anything in it??? Just the moon.

a reply to: beyondknowledge

How on the moon would anyone notice to even do that! weird. Mind you I am almost blind, so there's that!!

X.x

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

I have located a video that claims to show the same dot configuration on a photo shot from the Apollo 17 capsule. Different roll of film and different camera because the lem has just undocked on the way to land. That camera and film that took the op photo was in the lem.



This one is still in the 'I don't know' catagory for me.

originally posted by: jerich0
a reply to: beyondknowledge

How on the moon would anyone notice to even do that! weird. Mind you I am almost blind, so there's that!!

X.x

It has been discussed for many years it seems.

Instagram referring to this in 2017

www.instagram.com...

Some podcast discussion from 2013

www.theparacast.com...

I looked at several more but they were less informative.

a reply to: beyondknowledge

That's actually a still from the 16mm footage of the ascent module undocking - see here:



Frankly, it isn't there. Robert Morningstar has a history of fabricating stories for attention.

a reply to: beyondknowledge

I think I found the image in the video. history.nasa.gov...
But after adjusting the settings, there are no three dots in this one.

The video is faked.

Edit : I knew of the Apollo 17 UFO stories but not the three dots in particular.

While eliminating a lot of possibilities, it still could just be dust or film defect but there is still the possibility of it not being ether.

At least it is not a bug again.

a reply to: Type1338

I don't know if this is the real deal or not, but all tis zooning in and out sure made it clear how dirty my
laptop screen is.

a reply to: jerich0

The version available on the Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth shows it better, without even zooming in.

(click for full size)

Edited to add that I forgot to say that there are several photos taken on the Moon that show small blue dots, but I don't remember any other photos showing more than one so close together.

I'm going to withdraw my staement about the dots not being there in the 16mm footage - I hadn't watched enough of the footage. If you watch from 00:46 - 00:51 seconds (ideally at slow speed) you can see an object tumbling across the field of view.

The ascent module has just undocked from the CSM and is on its way to impact the lunar surface, so it will be a piece of debris from that process. Agan there is no comment from the crew.

See here for the mission audio combined with the video and photos:

apolloinrealtime.org...:58:07

While Mr Morningstar does undoubtedly make stuff up for attention, on this occasion the object is there. It is not, however, identical to the 3 dots visible in the surface photo, and no amount of isolatiing one single frame from the 6 seconds of footage concerned will make it so.

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

Here it is, slightly brightened.