Menieres migraines motion sickness and fasting

So Ive been diagnosed with Meniere's disease for a while, but lately Ive been doing intermittent fasting, and I now seem to be getting more migraines, cluster headaches, etc. Ringing comes and goes, and appears to be less constant but when it does hit it's long and with more ferocity and a higher pitch. Hope this isn't connected, cause I'm losing weight.

Is anybody else dealing with Meniere's? It's frustrating as hell, sometimes I do A>B>C and it seems to lessen for a while, but it always comes back

For example, ginger and a lysine supplement seem to help the symptoms but lately with fasting and eating less my stomach has been really irritated, but ginger knocks down the nauseous better than anything else, perhaps I need to cut back on the Lysine or at least stop taking it on days I'm fasting?

I've had issues with dizziness and tinnitus. The ear issue was not so much a ringing as it was a hissing, sometimes quite severe. Fortunately, I don't get headaches. Menieres was ruled out, along with some other suspected ailments, and the docs never did come up with a definitive diagnosis. The condition comes and goes. It's worsened by stress. At this point, I'm dealing with a mystery condition.

I've read that the nutritional supplements pycnogenol, ginko biloba and GABA can help with Menieres.

More and more, I'm becoming convinced that a huge cause of ailments is inflammation and\or allergic issues.
I try to follow the Autoimmune Protocol diet, specifically the The Wahls Protocol. Here's a good vid that features Dr. Terry Wahls:




More info on the Autoimmune Protocol

Here's wishing you health and wellness!

have you tried black seed oil?a reply to: putnam6

originally posted by: ColeYounger
I've had issues with dizziness and tinnitus. The ear issue was not so much a ringing as it was a hissing, sometimes quite severe. Fortunately, I don't get headaches. Menieres was ruled out, along with some other suspected ailments, and the docs never did come up with a definitive diagnosis. The condition comes and goes. It's worsened by stress. At this point, I'm dealing with a mystery condition.

I've read that the nutritional supplements pycnogenol, ginko biloba and GABA can help with Menieres.

More and more, I'm becoming convinced that a huge cause of ailments is inflammation and\or allergic issues.
I try to follow the Autoimmune Protocol diet, specifically the The Wahls Protocol. Here's a good vid that features Dr. Terry Wahls:

More info on the Autoimmune Protocol

Here's wishing you health and wellness!

Thanks for the video and the link...

I'll watch them and do some more research, but yes I agree on the allergy tie in has been mentioned on Meniere's and other ailments, I take a Zyrtec daily and my issues are definitely worse during allergies season, not to mention there could be some food allergy thing working too.

Sometimes there is so much info out there it helps to have somebody point it out

originally posted by: HODOSKE
have you tried black seed oil?a reply to: putnam6

No, I haven't but IIRC I've seen it referenced before I will definitely check it out.

my wife suffers from Menieres from time to time, had a flare up a year ago. She has lost most of her hearing in the effected ear. She has had blood work done to determine food allergens or food sensitivities. She has removed gluten, eggs and most dairy to reduce her inflammatory response and this has kept it in check for the most part. Stress is now her enemy, so calming procedures morning and evening with earbuds has helped.
Years ago when it was quite bad she went through a regimen of cortizone type shots directly in the ear (thru the drum) and that helped alot, but reduced her hearing.
Its not a fun thing to witness or experience. It was quite debilitating for a while, and she thought she would have to retire. Now she is working half-time.

a reply to: putnam6

I had quite the bout of vertigo and nonstop loud ear ringing. At some points I thought I’d go insane.

It lasted for about half a year and I was really concerned it was Meniere’s. I got mine right as the worst of Covid was happening and the ENT didn’t even want to look in my ears or mouth at that time. Not sure if this is connected but when I was very young the doctors asked my mom if I did deep sea diving. Of course I didn’t, but they said my ears had bone growth similar to deep sea divers.

Anyways, I saw all kinds of doctors for the vertigo, ringing and other weird things. My neurologist was amazing. He suggested B6 supplement, magnesium and and always staying hydrated. Now I only get ringing when stressed and the migraines has all but disappeared.

Have you been fitted for a hearing aid? That was going to be my next step if it didn’t go away.
I felt way way too young for one but at that point I was ready to try anything.
The other thing to look into, hormones play a big part. I guess a lot of women get tinnitus during Menopause and it completely goes away when their hormones are treated. Sometimes that even includes testosterone.

a reply to: ColeYounger
I am susceptible to the same conditions...right now have a pulsating hissing noise. I'm thinking it is stress and high BP. Interestingly enough, I work in an office in a busy, sizable downtown area on computer (CAD), with multiple systems and wi-fi all around. I was getting a light head, hissing ears and feeling a bit wobbly when walking in the office. That all went away once I moved home and worked from my house in the country for the pandemic. 2 years later, I'm back in the office and experiencing those same feelings. I retire at the end of next year, so I can suck it up perhaps for that duration. Fortunately it subsides on the weekends.

I was fighting my migraines pretty bad earlier this summer and leg and toe cramps. Turns out my electrolytes were off. I needed potassium, magnesium and more salt. I was just sweating too much.

I don't know about the rest but I started using an electrolyte pack most days that was basically just salt, potassium and magnesium with some flavor and stevia and it helped set that issue right.

originally posted by: Zrtst
my wife suffers from Menieres from time to time, had a flare up a year ago. She has lost most of her hearing in the effected ear. She has had blood work done to determine food allergens or food sensitivities. She has removed gluten, eggs and most dairy to reduce her inflammatory response and this has kept it in check for the most part. Stress is now her enemy, so calming procedures morning and evening with earbuds has helped.
Years ago when it was quite bad she went through a regimen of cortizone type shots directly in the ear (thru the drum) and that helped alot, but reduced her hearing.
Its not a fun thing to witness or experience. It was quite debilitating for a while, and she thought she would have to retire. Now she is working half-time.

It's weird that you mention cortisone shots, I got a cortisone shot, though not directly in my ear, after my first episode. Basically, it seemed to reactivate my shingles, which is not fun either, and the ringing never went fully away.

One doctor believes mine is tied to the shingles herpes zoster among other issues. So far my loss of hearing is in my left ear FWIW it's not completely permanent yet. Ive heard stress as a trigger too, Gabatrol seems to help somewhat.

as for diet, it's mostly KETO except for the occasionally shredded cheese on my salad, lean chicken, fish green leafy vegetables, and legumes. Kimchi, Saurkraut, etc.

a reply to: putnam6

Yeah, I don't eat keto but high protein, low carb and this is what I started for for the migraine issue LMNT. It's keto friendly. If you are bad with high sodium, don't go for it. But otherwise, it helped me with more than just yhe headaches and cramps. I wasn't keeping up with electrolytes at all.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: putnam6

I had quite the bout of vertigo and nonstop loud ear ringing. At some points I thought I’d go insane.

It lasted for about half a year and I was really concerned it was Meniere’s. I got mine right as the worst of Covid was happening and the ENT didn’t even want to look in my ears or mouth at that time. Not sure if this is connected but when I was very young the doctors asked my mom if I did deep sea diving. Of course I didn’t, but they said my ears had bone growth similar to deep sea divers.

Anyways, I saw all kinds of doctors for the vertigo, ringing and other weird things. My neurologist was amazing. He suggested B6 supplement, magnesium and and always staying hydrated. Now I only get ringing when stressed and the migraines has all but disappeared.

Have you been fitted for a hearing aid? That was going to be my next step if it didn’t go away.
I felt way way too young for one but at that point I was ready to try anything.
The other thing to look into, hormones play a big part. I guess a lot of women get tinnitus during Menopause and it completely goes away when their hormones are treated. Sometimes that even includes testosterone.

Thanks for the info, B6 is one thing I do not take and probably should, I do take magnesium and heard just recently it's somewhat more effective if it's taken at night as well as I probably need to take more than 500mg one thing I'm concerned about is fasting and diet(cause I need to lose weight) but it isn't easy getting everything you need. I probably need to take 1-2 different supplements because I'm eating so much less. All of this on top of trying to eat well and get all of the nutrients needed sans gallbladder.

It's frustrating as hell, had it knocked down low and semi-tolerable and now it's back and the main thing is the migraines and vertigo even BP spikes which I haven't had in months.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: putnam6

Yeah, I don't eat keto but high protein, low carb and this is what I started for for the migraine issue LMNT. It's keto friendly. If you are bad with high sodium, don't go for it. But otherwise, it helped me with more than just yhe headaches and cramps. I wasn't keeping up with electrolytes at all.

It's possible some of it is electrolytes because when I feel this way it's difficult to drink enough, the ringing I used to but the migraines and I damn sure don't want vertigo to come back

Four days after getting rear ended at an intersection, I got ringing in both ears in an instant. I had already been to the ER two times before that. I wound up with temporal lobe damage, still have the ears hissing, when they turn to frogs chirping I am close to a partial seizure. I have learned how to keep this down, some things trigger it to get worse, and some things I eat make it go way down...eat one bad thing and it jumps way up within minutes.

Not eating makes the muscles release more histamine stores which can make it worse. Histamines or histamine promoting foods can cause severe migraines too. Histamines are a type of tyramine chemistry which gives people the cheese headache which is a form of migraine. By altering my diet I have successfully reduced my migraines by ninety five percent. Mine are also caused by aged foods but not all, some aged or enzyme created cheeses do not trigger migraines, parmesian cheese is antihistamine and it can block some histamines.

This is a very long and detailed subject which would take hourse of writing on the subject to explain properly, and some epigenetic traits can increase risk of migraines...there are lots of factors involved and also stuff like excessive aldehydes can cause another type of migraine...and there are more possible enzyme problems of metabolism.

My suggestion is to get some multiminerals containing about a hundred percent or more of molybdenum in them to help to buffer the aldehyde headaches and nitrogen and sulfur headaches. Not more than two hundred twenty percent RDA a day though. Will help the migraines somewhat but depending on the cause of the tinnitis, most times that does not help that.

Alcohol breaks down to acetyl aldehyde with the alcohol dehydrogenase enzyme, then the aldehydes are broke down by aldehyde detoxing enzymes which need the molybdenum cofactors to build the enzyme. Some mineral pills have enough of this in them to dampen those migraines but taking a split dose in am and pm works best, I just take about a hundred sixty percent RDA total a day and it helps with this, but you just can't boost sulfurs, nitrogen compounds, and aldehydes in the diet because you are taking a supplement...those coenzymes productions can only be brought up somewhat...I kind of get carried away with consuming too much sulfur foods and that over taxes the system. Some B vitamins are sulfur and nitrogen based and they increase need for sulfite oxidase and nitrogen dehydrogenase too and molybdoperin production on blood cells also need to be in balance. All of these utilize molybdenum cofactor enzymes in their creation, and taurine metabolism also needs these enzymes. Just because you can tolerate these things better doesn't mean you can go wild with eating more of these foods.

a reply to: rickymouse

I was hoping you would comment, hell it could be allergies and cheese is my one guilty pleasure on a mostly keto diet. The good news is I love beans and it looks like a good source of molybdenum I might have to make sure I eat more. I'd hate to have to get another supplement, but I'm seeing beans and low-fat yogurt among other foods have decent amounts.

Definitely going to eliminate the cheese because I do eat it, and I probably shouldn't for other reasons, but it also sounds like perhaps I shouldn't fast till I got this figured out either.

originally posted by: putnam6
a reply to: rickymouse

I was hoping you would comment, hell it could be allergies and cheese is my one guilty pleasure on a mostly keto diet. The good news is I love beans and it looks like a good source of molybdenum I might have to make sure I eat more. I'd hate to have to get another supplement, but I'm seeing beans and low-fat yogurt among other foods have decent amounts.

Definitely going to eliminate the cheese because I do eat it, and I probably shouldn't for other reasons, but it also sounds like perhaps I shouldn't fast till I got this figured out either.

Beans may have a lot of molybdenum in them but they also contain some antinutrient chemistry that keeps them from breaking down to allow the minerals from being absorbed.

Liver is a rich source of molybdenum, while the meat does not have that much in it. Cheese has some in it but cheese also requires more molybdenum to metabolize it. I just get a multimineral tablet I take every day and my daily supplement is usually under two hundred percent RDA of it. There are differences in cheeses, some of the cheeses are not high in histamines and others are chuck full of tyramines. I can't eat much of the nice tasty cheeses, like asiago and blue cheese, they tend to give me a migraine if I eat any amount other than a taste. I am talking about two different chemistries here, but processing them takes sulfite oxydase and nitrogen metabolism enzymes that have a molybdenum cofactor in their creation. But I also genetically have a molybdenum cofactor deficiency which means I only slowly make the enzyme and that is why I split the molybdenum supplementation into two times a day. I don't get high dose pills that way.

Grains do have lots of molybdenum....but in the diet you are doing, you are eliminating grains pretty much so utilizing beans might help with that...some nuts also have lots of molybdenum, but again they have chemistry that blocks certain minerals and vitamins from getting absorbed....peanut butter is pretty high in it but jam should be eaten with peanut butter, or any high calcium food to bind the oxylates in it from getting absorbed so much..a glass of milk will do that.

I cut down on my breads and sweets quite a few years ago and I felt better since then so I have eaten about half of what I used to eat over the last fifteen years. I still eat about four slices of homemade bread or a couple of homemade buns a day, but almost always with proteins....peanut and butter sandwiches or eggs with toast usually and an occasional sandwich.

But some days I can't eat bread and surely cannot eat much store bought bread or McDs burgers because of the buns. Eggs are a decent source of molybdenum I guess, not nearly as much as liver though. Mineral supplements are decently cheap and I do all right with that....ten to fifteen days is all I spend on multiminerals for the day. I do have some more potent supplements I take which are at the fifteen cent a day range if I want more energy to do stuff.

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: putnam6
a reply to: rickymouse

I was hoping you would comment, hell it could be allergies and cheese is my one guilty pleasure on a mostly keto diet. The good news is I love beans and it looks like a good source of molybdenum I might have to make sure I eat more. I'd hate to have to get another supplement, but I'm seeing beans and low-fat yogurt among other foods have decent amounts.

Definitely going to eliminate the cheese because I do eat it, and I probably shouldn't for other reasons, but it also sounds like perhaps I shouldn't fast till I got this figured out either.

Beans may have a lot of molybdenum in them but they also contain some antinutrient chemistry that keeps them from breaking down to allow the minerals from being absorbed.

Liver is a rich source of molybdenum, while the meat does not have that much in it. Cheese has some in it but cheese also requires more molybdenum to metabolize it. I just get a multimineral tablet I take every day and my daily supplement is usually under two hundred percent RDA of it. There are differences in cheeses, some of the cheeses are not high in histamines and others are chuck full of tyramines. I can't eat much of the nice tasty cheeses, like asiago and blue cheese, they tend to give me a migraine if I eat any amount other than a taste. I am talking about two different chemistries here, but processing them takes sulfite oxydase and nitrogen metabolism enzymes that have a molybdenum cofactor in their creation. But I also genetically have a molybdenum cofactor deficiency which means I only slowly make the enzyme and that is why I split the molybdenum supplementation into two times a day. I don't get high dose pills that way.

Grains do have lots of molybdenum....but in the diet you are doing, you are eliminating grains pretty much so utilizing beans might help with that...some nuts also have lots of molybdenum, but again they have chemistry that blocks certain minerals and vitamins from getting absorbed....peanut butter is pretty high in it but jam should be eaten with peanut butter, or any high calcium food to bind the oxylates in it from getting absorbed so much..a glass of milk will do that.

I cut down on my breads and sweets quite a few years ago and I felt better since then so I have eaten about half of what I used to eat over the last fifteen years. I still eat about four slices of homemade bread or a couple of homemade buns a day, but almost always with proteins....peanut and butter sandwiches or eggs with toast usually and an occasional sandwich.

But some days I can't eat bread and surely cannot eat much store bought bread or McDs burgers because of the buns. Eggs are a decent source of molybdenum I guess, not nearly as much as liver though. Mineral supplements are decently cheap and I do all right with that....ten to fifteen days is all I spend on multiminerals for the day. I do have some more potent supplements I take which are at the fifteen cent a day range if I want more energy to do stuff.

Thanks for the information to you and everyone else, ATS never fails, so many times Ive had questions, and have found answers here. Like others here you've had 3-4 posts Ive used over the years it's appreciated. I definitely need to dial in and get a proper daily regimen, just too much info on the internet, some of it contradictory. I do think I sometimes automatically blame Meneires when as a man of my age, I'm well past the time I should have taken my health more seriously. I got a lot of catching up to do and I'm paying for partaking a bit too much in numerous vices. Though honestly I probably did more damage with my diet, sugar, carbs, nicotine, and caffeine, than partying so to speak.

I probably should get a supplement, my only issue with supplements is finding good ones, remembering to take them daily, and or ordering them so they are here. As well as finding ones that work sans gall bladder makes anything that is fat soluble problematic. Ive found I seem to get more effect if I dissolve tablets and capsules in tea, Ive definitely noticed a difference in taking lysine and magnesium, and yes I'm on a budget, so it does come into play.

That said Ive used or have ordered most everything mentioned in this thread in the last 2-3 days, except the black seed oil and it should be here tomorrow. But the B vitamins JS, mentioned I had here and made sure I took them, as well as the potassium and magnesium Ketsuko mentioned

As for the current episode, the headaches have subsided a bit only my left ear still aches, it almost feels like an infection the last few days chills and hot flashes, I'm wiped out and tired but I had a really upset stomach that finally passed through this afternoon and I had some ginger, thyme, turmeric, and honey tea and I feel better. My lymph nodes are sore as hell, upper chest and armpits especially, all the way from behind my left ear to about where the vagus nerve is. My blood pressure still spiked 3-4 times earlier today, is just so hard to drink enough when you feel like crap.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: putnam6
a reply to: rickymouse

I was hoping you would comment, hell it could be allergies and cheese is my one guilty pleasure on a mostly keto diet. The good news is I love beans and it looks like a good source of molybdenum I might have to make sure I eat more. I'd hate to have to get another supplement, but I'm seeing beans and low-fat yogurt among other foods have decent amounts.

Definitely going to eliminate the cheese because I do eat it, and I probably shouldn't for other reasons, but it also sounds like perhaps I shouldn't fast till I got this figured out either.

Beans may have a lot of molybdenum in them but they also contain some antinutrient chemistry that keeps them from breaking down to allow the minerals from being absorbed.

Liver is a rich source of molybdenum, while the meat does not have that much in it. Cheese has some in it but cheese also requires more molybdenum to metabolize it. I just get a multimineral tablet I take every day and my daily supplement is usually under two hundred percent RDA of it. There are differences in cheeses, some of the cheeses are not high in histamines and others are chuck full of tyramines. I can't eat much of the nice tasty cheeses, like asiago and blue cheese, they tend to give me a migraine if I eat any amount other than a taste. I am talking about two different chemistries here, but processing them takes sulfite oxydase and nitrogen metabolism enzymes that have a molybdenum cofactor in their creation. But I also genetically have a molybdenum cofactor deficiency which means I only slowly make the enzyme and that is why I split the molybdenum supplementation into two times a day. I don't get high dose pills that way.

Grains do have lots of molybdenum....but in the diet you are doing, you are eliminating grains pretty much so utilizing beans might help with that...some nuts also have lots of molybdenum, but again they have chemistry that blocks certain minerals and vitamins from getting absorbed....peanut butter is pretty high in it but jam should be eaten with peanut butter, or any high calcium food to bind the oxylates in it from getting absorbed so much..a glass of milk will do that.

I cut down on my breads and sweets quite a few years ago and I felt better since then so I have eaten about half of what I used to eat over the last fifteen years. I still eat about four slices of homemade bread or a couple of homemade buns a day, but almost always with proteins....peanut and butter sandwiches or eggs with toast usually and an occasional sandwich.

But some days I can't eat bread and surely cannot eat much store bought bread or McDs burgers because of the buns. Eggs are a decent source of molybdenum I guess, not nearly as much as liver though. Mineral supplements are decently cheap and I do all right with that....ten to fifteen days is all I spend on multiminerals for the day. I do have some more potent supplements I take which are at the fifteen cent a day range if I want more energy to do stuff.

Thanks for the information to you and everyone else, ATS never fails, so many times Ive had questions, and have found answers here. Like others here you've had 3-4 posts Ive used over the years it's appreciated. I definitely need to dial in and get a proper daily regimen, just too much info on the internet, some of it contradictory. I do think I sometimes automatically blame Meneires when as a man of my age, I'm well past the time I should have taken my health more seriously. I got a lot of catching up to do and I'm paying for partaking a bit too much in numerous vices. Though honestly I probably did more damage with my diet, sugar, carbs, nicotine, and caffeine, than partying so to speak.

I probably should get a supplement, my only issue with supplements is finding good ones, remembering to take them daily, and or ordering them so they are here. As well as finding ones that work sans gall bladder makes anything that is fat soluble problematic. Ive found I seem to get more effect if I dissolve tablets and capsules in tea, Ive definitely noticed a difference in taking lysine and magnesium, and yes I'm on a budget, so it does come into play.

That said Ive used or have ordered most everything mentioned in this thread in the last 2-3 days, except the black seed oil and it should be here tomorrow. But the B vitamins JS, mentioned I had here and made sure I took them, as well as the potassium and magnesium Ketsuko mentioned

As for the current episode, the headaches have subsided a bit only my left ear still aches, it almost feels like an infection the last few days chills and hot flashes, I'm wiped out and tired but I had a really upset stomach that finally passed through this afternoon and I had some ginger, thyme, turmeric, and honey tea and I feel better. My lymph nodes are sore as hell, upper chest and armpits especially, all the way from behind my left ear to about where the vagus nerve is. My blood pressure still spiked 3-4 times earlier today, is just so hard to drink enough when you feel like crap.

Those present symptoms you are having are probably from some kind of illness or something. When lymph nodes get sore, that is a sign of some infection, from almost any microbe. Ginger does help with that, and turmeric is also a type of sulfonamide or thiol chemistry. I make a sandwich some times when I am getting sick or am sick, it is toasted bread with miracle whip on both sides and a couple of cloves of garlic minced up and half a diced medium sized onion on it with a tad bit of salt and pepper to give it taste.

For scratches and scrapes and mild burns I got a clue of a spray to spray on them from an old guy and his family that own ponies and horses. Vetericyn Plus is what they use. It is not considered for humans, just for all animals. I researched it, the same chemical that is approved for humans is called Puracyn. I wasn't going to order the Puracyn without testing if the medicine works, so I stopped at Tractor Supply and bought the veteracyn and tried it on my skin to see if it reacted, and have used it on some scratches and a burn but I am not sure it has helped yet, there could be a difference in the plastic of the bottle, so even though the same chemical is in it, it might be a minor problem. But the farmer and his whole family use it and they say it works good and according to the imformation on it the research backs the claims. So, if it does seem to help speed healing, I will get the puracyn to use, some people might feel weird if I offer them a pet and animal spray to spray on their cuts. I have no problem being a guinney pig, and last I read, mice and humans are animals so I should be ok.

The puracyn is not much more expensive, but I would have to start ordering it, even Walmart has it but it needs to be bought online. I suppose there is some kind of FDA tax fee on all human meds or maybe the product insurance is higher on human medicines. I paid sixteen bucks for three ounces, the Petracyn is twenty bucks for four ounces.

I guess in medicine they can use puracyn for diabetic sores and to promote healing and use as an antimicrobial on the sites of incision of operations and on skin grafts. I like meds I can get without a prescription.

a reply to: rickymouse

On top of everything else, I guess I should mention sleep apnea. I took my pulse oximeter late last night anyway left on my finger and fell asleep. One time when I jolted awake I checked it was 83, no wonder I wake up with headaches, and yes the ear ringing is off the charts in the morning. Ive had apnea for a long time, I sometimes take melatonin to help me sleep but it seems to make hose episodes worse

originally posted by: putnam6
a reply to: rickymouse

On top of everything else, I guess I should mention sleep apnea. I took my pulse oximeter late last night anyway left on my finger and fell asleep. One time when I jolted awake I checked it was 83, no wonder I wake up with headaches, and yes the ear ringing is off the charts in the morning. Ive had apnea for a long time, I sometimes take melatonin to help me sleep but it seems to make hose episodes worse

Some meds increase the problem with sleep apnea. The wife was taken off her pill which contained a small amount of beta blocker and her apnea got quite a bit better. I listen when I get up to go pee at night to her breathing, and if her breathing pauses a lot...I can't sleep worth a damn cause I worry about it. Before she was prescribed zoloft years ago she had no sleep apnea and when they gave her the med containing the water pill plus beta blocker it got worse. She reduced the zoloft on her own and it got better, but the doctor wasn't happy she reduced it even though reducing it did not change anything....Some doctors do not want any patients challenging their prescribing and doses some times. Her new doctor actually took off the beta blocker and reduced the zoloft and she is doing much better now.

There is chemistry in some foods that does about the same as beta blockers and some increases the need for beta blockers. Also the same goes with zoloft, there is more than one way to skin a cat.