Russian Strategy in Ukraine?

This is not Pro-Russia, it's about common sense

What would be the best strategy for Russia for the Ukraine war?
A- Quick decisive strikes and take control of Ukraine with their military advantage....

OR

B- Move slowly, forcing the Unites States to support Ukraine and the longer Putin's Russian army takes the more money and resources are drained from the US.
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Now that the US has spent all the money on supporting Ukranian government payroll, the green New deal, covid money giveaway and the anti-inflation bill(hard not to smirk at that one) China is now using the same game plan as Russia, war games then invasion.
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I have nothing against the Ukrainians but their government is corrupt and we should recognize that and hold the accountable for all the money we are sending...
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Is the money and weapons were mortgaging going to make a difference? Does anybody really think the Ukrainians will defeat Russia? Russia won the war when Ukraine gave up their sovereignty decades ago, just a matter of time and the time is now.
Russia and China are having their way and the Biden team of ghouls are bankrupting our great nation.
What happened to common sense?

a reply to: fringeofthefringe

The war is not about ukraine or nato.

It is about creating instability,doubt and fear in the world. We are easier to manipulate and control that way.

And sure, some people will get filthy rich at the same time.

a reply to: XipeTotex
That's fine, but we are loosing the war in Ukraine and it has opened the door for China.
Ukraine is not an honest government and we have made our own future as a nation unstable. We simply cannot afford to flush 10 of billions on the Ukrainians government payroll. It's not right. We need a new strategy, we cannot afford this one.

the war is about Putin's ambition.

He has suffered huge losses but seems determined to see it through to victory.

US/NATO irrelevant.

a reply to: ElGoobero
The US is funding the Ukrainians government payroll and military arsenal...it is about the US. Putin is draining our resources and now China is going to do the same thing with Taiwan, this is the opportunity China and Russia have been waiting for.

a reply to: fringeofthefringe

Problem is Russia is being drained even faster and cant afford a long war of attrition. Russia is desperate for manpower, both to replace the heavy losses suffered and to conduct future operations. They are scouring prisons and dragooning ethnic minorities for manpower. Russia males (and even some females) are doing everything to avoid being conscripted in the army as view it as death sentence. Educated Russians are leaving in droves, both to avoid military service and to escape what they view as economic depression caused both by Western sanctions and the costs of the war. The resulting "Brain Drain" will cripple Russia for decades

Russia lacks the trained manpower and equipment to maintain operations against Ukraine. They have substituted heavy artillery strikes to blast the opposition rather than combined forces (armor, infantry, artillery), which Russia has shown little capability to conduct.

Using artillery to flatten everything you want to occupy, leaving a blasted ruin makes little sense.

Ukraine is receiving increasing sophisticated weapons (HIMARS, HARM) and the training to use them effectively which putting more pressure on Russia Military experts speculate that Russia has only a few months before economic and military factors cause the whole operation to collapse.

Russia's strategy in the Ukraine is ethnic cleansing as usual.

They cleared the Jews from eastern Europe with pogroms and sent them to the Americas.

They later cleared the Germans from eastern Europe and sent them to West Germany.

Now they target the Ukrainians and have already forced 10 million of them to flee their nation.

Russian's are dead good at ethnic cleansing. It's what they do.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
a reply to: ElGoobero
The US is funding the Ukrainians government payroll and military arsenal...it is about the US. Putin is draining our resources and now China is going to do the same thing with Taiwan, this is the opportunity China and Russia have been waiting for.

Hmm... Reminds me of Southeast Asia . The South Vietnamese Lost that one too..............

a reply to: firerescue

Ukraine is receiving increasing sophisticated weapons (HIMARS, HARM) and the training to use them effectively which putting more pressure on Russia Military experts speculate that Russia has only a few months before economic and military factors cause the whole operation to collapse.

The United States cannot afford to continue the supply of sophisticated weapons and training as well as bankrolled the Ukrainian government monthly payroll, and the host of other expenditures.
I've read how Russia is collapsing for some time now, besides they have China to assist. China would be happy to help bankrupt the US.
Who do you think is paying for this?
Is China going to do the same thing in Taiwan?
Then what?
It just looks like we're being lied to again by our media and government, they go hand in hand.

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: fringeofthefringe

Problem is Russia is being drained even faster and cant afford a long war of attrition. Russia is desperate for manpower, both to replace the heavy losses suffered and to conduct future operations. They are scouring prisons and dragooning ethnic minorities for manpower. Russia males (and even some females) are doing everything to avoid being conscripted in the army as view it as death sentence. Educated Russians are leaving in droves, both to avoid military service and to escape what they view as economic depression caused both by Western sanctions and the costs of the war. The resulting "Brain Drain" will cripple Russia for decades

Russia lacks the trained manpower and equipment to maintain operations against Ukraine. They have substituted heavy artillery strikes to blast the opposition rather than combined forces (armor, infantry, artillery), which Russia has shown little capability to conduct.

Using artillery to flatten everything you want to occupy, leaving a blasted ruin makes little sense.

Ukraine is receiving increasing sophisticated weapons (HIMARS, HARM) and the training to use them effectively which putting more pressure on Russia Military experts speculate that Russia has only a few months before economic and military factors cause the whole operation to collapse.

I keep hearing this but they are still going. I don't think donbas is going to be given up anytime soon at this point.
The first casualty of war is the truth and it is hard to know what reality is through all the propoganda noise.
I remember the first 2 weeks US media said "Russia can't afford this war" and they predicted the end the next month and then the next month and then the next month. As people pointed out China can create wealth and it would seem like they would help foot this bill in order to overextend us. This will help with their pesky taiwan issue.

I wouldn't hold my breathe on anyone running out of money here, troops maybe, but once again - I don't live in Russia and have no idea what is actually going on. Until I see some bank statements or financials released I am going to assume their running out of money isn't reality.

a reply to: fringeofthefringe

Russia's best strategy would be to put Putin's head on a spike outside the Kremlin and get their troops out of Ukraine.

originally posted by: 1947boomer
a reply to: fringeofthefringe

Russia's best strategy would be to put Putin's head on a spike outside the Kremlin and get their troops out of Ukraine.

Well they're not going to fo that so we need a better strategy than flushing billions monthly.
We need a dialog with Putin, just like every other world leader. We need to work together, making the whole Russia hoax and cross fire hurricane has made things worse. The US cannot ignore the need for diplomacy. This Russian Ukraine war could have been avoided but the gouhls in the Biden puppet administration are getting what they hoped for. Next up China Taiwan.

a reply to: firerescue

Using artillery to flatten everything you want to occupy, leaving a blasted ruin makes little sense.

That was the plan in WW i & 2. All the explosives and dead bodies helped fertilize the soil, gave it a good deep tilling as well. Opens up a big empty space for anyone that wants to build something.

Then with all these armies around the place, they want some where to play. Having such powerful forces around the place sitting around doing nothing has its problems.

The US/UK, EU current Strategy in Ukraine is a not winnable i can tell you as much.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Russia's strategy in the Ukraine is ethnic cleansing as usual.
If Russia didnt step in Eastern Ukraine some would have no problem if Kiev was ethnic cleansing the Eastern Orthodox Russians in the East.

This is Why Russia step in Ukraine to prevent a ethnic cleansing of the Eastern Population by the Kiev regime.

The same Kiev's government which had being attacking, bombing civilians in separatist provinces for 9/8 years.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

The russiaphobia is heavy within you.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Now they target the Ukrainians and have already forced 10 million of them to flee their nation.

Ironical as you claim that.
Russia is the one getting the majority of the Ukrainian refugees.
Many of those refugees had being from the Eastern Provinces.

a reply to: fringeofthefringe

What would be the best strategy for Russia for the Ukraine war?

The US/UK should accept the reality on the ground in Ukraine that the war in Ukraine is not winnable.

Even if politicians like Hillary Clinton are hoping for some sort of a rebellious counter offensive. To Make Russia experience another Afghanistan in Ukraine.

The only way that the war in Ukraine for the US/UK that they should accept to end is through negotiations. Prolonging the war in Ukraine.

Would be bad for the Euporean Economy.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter
So you just going to ignore the ethnic cleansing that Ukraine have been doing in the Donbass the last how many years..? Because that's textbook ethnic cleansing.

How do you explain all the Ukrainians that are thankful for the Russians freeing them from tyranny? Seems an odd thing to be thankful for, although apparantly Ukraine is a corrupt hellhole so not surprising.

a reply to: 1947boomer
All of the western leaders (+Trump and Boris) first, s’il vous plaît.

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: fringeofthefringe

Russia males (and even some females) are doing everything to avoid being conscripted in the army as view it as death sentence. Educated Russians are leaving in droves, both to avoid military service and to escape what they view as economic depression caused both by Western sanctions and the costs of the war.

Please explain on the basis of what data you wrote this, given that Russia did not announce mobilization.