How did I know and they didn't? The vaxx debacle and the participation of "educated" people.

originally posted by: LunaticPandora
a reply to: incoserv

Most people took the vaccine because they were threatened with loss of livelihood or social ostracism. In some places they were threatened with concentration camps and being forcibly isolated from their friends and family. Something that was never justified either.
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Again, I mentioned those people in my OP. I'm not asking or talking about those. I'm talking here about the "educated" ones who should have known better but didn't while I - a complete idiot - recognized the red flags.

originally posted by: ancientlight

originally posted by: TacoLoco75
People do stupid things when they are scared. It’s natural. This country has been growing weaker and weaker every decade. Most citizens are soft and weak. They can’t even do the most basic things if the electricity goes out, or the internet goes out or if they do not have their laptop or smart phone. We are ripe for an invasion from china. a reply to: incoserv

This too unfortunately .But then again, I would have been afraid for my old mom or my young child, but I was not because I could see through the BS

The only thing I feared for was my family members - my mother and my son - taking the damned injection.

My mother did not and will not.

My son did, and it was a punch in the gut when he called me and told me that he was on his way to get it. This is the same man, though, who told me, "I don't need to think for myself."

The lie was so big that they believed it. I’m still not sure that the vaccine was the real reason behind it all, or maybe a way to accelerate the spread of the spike. I dunno. What I do know is that the vaccines were and are dangerous and again I am sure they cannot be easily unpicked from the chaos consuming us all so quickly.

originally posted by: ARM1968
The lie was so big that they believed it. I’m still not sure that the vaccine was the real reason behind it all, or maybe a way to accelerate the spread of the spike. I dunno. What I do know is that the vaccines were and are dangerous and again I am sure they cannot be easily unpicked from the chaos consuming us all so quickly.

No, still not what I'm asking. Yes, the lie was so big that many believed it. But I didn't believe it.

The question is, why did uneducated people like me "get it" when so many of the "educated" inteligentsia did not.

a reply to: incoserv

Simple Answer from Me Personally , TRUST NO ONE but Your Inner Self . It has the Best Intentions for YOU..............

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: incoserv

Simple Answer from Me Personally , TRUST NO ONE but Your Inner Self . It has the Best Intentions for YOU..............

So, if they had done that, they would have seen the reality.

It was at least partially an inability or unwillingness to trust their own gut.

That's a good answer.

for perspective so far, the difference in mortality for 56% vaccinated Georgia(16.1) and 80% vaccinated Connecticut(4.3) was 11.8 more persons per 100,000 died in Georgia (16.1)

Now here is a picture of approximately 100,000 people now go find 11.8 of them that died of Covid. You would have a hard time finding them if they all sat together, and had flashing lights. Furthermore, you might want to concentrate on those 65 or older cause easily 75% were that age or older.

a reply to: incoserv

Well, I believe many of those people fell for the coercion as well. I believe that those who were convinced by the fear mongering cannot now give up their positions for fear of further ostracism. No one likes being told "I told you so" regardless of how educated they may be.

Education is increasingly becoming a mark of regimented thinking rather than critical thinking. Scientific thinking was once the purview of those like Richard Feynman who once deeply criticized the Brazilian education system (he taught physics there) for their rote method of learning. They (the Brazilians) could tell you what it said in a text book but they couldn't tell you what it looked like in the world. This is a dangerous way of thinking because it takes the effects and consequences on the world and relegates them to nothing more than data points to be considered only for their validity in a system.

Today we see a whole lot of that in the education system. "The science is settled," "trust the science," and my personal favorite from the likes of Dr. Fauci, "I am the science." Much of this, naturally, has led to widespread logical fallacy-as-policy, cognitive dissonance ignored and instead embraced as doublethink and doublespeak in attempts to obfuscate obvious propaganda, and anyone who has seriously bought in has essentially stopped living their lives outside of the fear induced by the gaslighting.

You won't get too many people admitting they were wrong because they can't be wrong. Everything in the media, their social groups, and their own anecdotal evidence tells them they made the right decision. They don't realize that there is no consensus and any consensus being spoken of is a result of shutting everyone else up. So when they come into the thread to tell you how wrong you are because it is YOU who was misled, they do so because they really believe it. They participate in their own gaslighting because their bias is confirmed in the media every single day. Officialdom has anointed what they believe are their opinions. Their education is a product of that officialdom and they are absolutely convinced that they could not possibly be wrong.

There is no world in which they can be wrong because the laws of officialdom are sacrosanct and indistinguishable from the laws of physics.

Personally, I can't imagine a world where I am ever that sure of my own correctness. But then again, I believe in science as was once taught by great men like Feynman.

There has been a well organized and coordinated psychological war against the population. A lot of censorship and narrative control has been used to deceive many decent people trying to do the right thing.

One big example was the attack against HCQ as the data was building as a safe and effective treatment. The media was quick to report one Lancet study that showed it was ineffective. But failed to mention how this study was retracted days later as it was discovered all the data was fraud. The media also failed to touch any of the many studies showing HCQ as effective.

This was done so the emergency use authorization for the jab could get pushed through. If there are any available treatments then the emergency use would not pass.

Most people are too busy with work and life to dig through the mountain of lies in sorting out the facts from the fiction. Informed consent has been attacked. Those at the top of this know exactly what they are doing.

originally posted by: kwakakev

One big example was the attack against HCQ as the data was building as a safe and effective treatment.

They went far beyond saying it was ineffective. They were proclaiming it was straight up deadly. After 50 years of successful and safe usage it was declared super dangerous, and don't even mention the Ivermectin " horse paste"!

a reply to: incoserv

Faith.

Faith in "scientific" certainty. Faith in authority.

They had faith and they proselytized. They were dedicated missionaries of the church of The Science.

They were biased by their clinical experiences with COVID patients (or believed the astroturfing by media and bots) and unconcerned with decades of evidence that rushed science has frequent disastrous consequences. They saw no problem with the scale of this, citing very tiny risk while ignoring that 4 billion multiplied by tiny risk is still quite big. They ignored every sign that there was deception and excused the 180 degree turns from the outset.

They were lied to intentionally and threatened. Hopefully they won't let this happen again and will start to question some of the base assumptions that we're presented with in "science".

I don't believe anybody that claimed to have experience in this field is still talking it up here. It's long past the point where anybody can claim it wasn't a huge mistake. If not the approval itself, then at least the push for it to be given to all ages. Anybody still claiming this vaccine should be broadly promoted to healthy young people (really any healthy under 50) has no credibility and is speaking for The Science and not the data.

The people still excitedly promoting here are simply not credible. I have no idea what they get out of it. They don't even have the manipulated data in their corner anymore. Now they resort to using verbiage that avoids any kind of quantitative or logical analysis, most often clustered in threads with easily challenged data. They can't even come up with a reason to support it anymore. They've resorted to debunking the worst claims and ignoring all the mounting evidence that contradicts them.

originally posted by: kwakakev
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Most people are too busy with work and life to dig through the mountain of lies in sorting out the facts from the fiction. Informed consent has been attacked. Those at the top of this know exactly what they are doing.

The thing with that statement is that I didn't spend a lot of time sorting out the facts, myself. I did do some reading, some studying, but frankly it just felt wrong in my gut more than anything else. I'm sure it was a confluence of many things that were floating around at the time. The whole bovine feces narrative up to that point weighed heavily on my mind.

Actually, from the first mask mandates and mass house arrests (what they called quarentines or called lockdowns), I knew it was all wrong, just a big psyop. Looking back, it seems my take on it all was more intuitive than anything else.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: incoserv

Faith.

Faith in "scientific" certainty. Faith in authority.

They had faith and they proselytized. They were dedicated missionaries of the church of The Science.
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They were lied to intentionally and threatened. Hopefully they won't let this happen again and will start to question some of the base assumptions that we're presented with in "science".
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There has been, still is, almost a zealous religious zeal to the whold damned thing, isn't there?

I don't believe that most of the ones who have developed a vested interest will ever start to question anything. As I said previously, if they have taken the injection, they have too much invested emotionally and psychologically to deny it now. They have to dig into the lie to convince themselves that they were right, that they have not signed their own death warrant. And getting others to agree is supremely important to their fragile psycological and emotional stability.

a reply to: incoserv

Likely it is because you are tuned into your own spirit and life meaning, hungry for truth and willing to see it.

A seeming majority, or at least a lot of human beings are not like that.

The calendar is accelerating towards doom quickly it seems.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: incoserv

Likely it is because you are tuned into your own spirit and life meaning, hungry for truth and willing to see it.

A seeming majority, or at least a lot of human beings are not like that.

The calendar is accelerating towards doom quickly it seems.

I think that you are on to something there. There is an element of some people wanting to be responsible for their own and their family's well being. It's always galled me how we're forced to trust in unworthy and unwieldy supply chains to care for those whom we love.

Trying hard still to get out of that trap.

a reply to: incoserv

Very good point. People putting their faith in the worst people, and not taking personal responsibility for themselves because it's easier to let someone else do it for them, albeit the wrong people, or even the worst people, and yet those people have been paraded as the best people to listen to.

When thinking about it like that, it's people actually being told not to think for themselves, but to let "these smart people" advise us what to do. At least that's how MSM and authorities dish it out. (But of course exempt themselves).

It's truly a mass insanity. (It's also a very dark deception). Sad

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

That is the "Mass Formation Psychosis" that Mattias Desmet has been harping about.

I think it's more to do with an ability to think laterally than intelligence and education. Many of my friends and family are university educated and they all fell for it.

Years of lateral thinking give people connections where they might remember prior inconsistencies in stories from the government or media or lawsuits that pharmaceutical companies have been through that points to a history of corruption. Stuff like that.

Conspiracy theory at it's most basic seems to be drawing on this ability to create a mental network of non linear history events and draw conclusions laterally rather than linear. This allows a greater amount of knowledge about the connections at the expense of some of the details that a linear thinker would focus on and deem important. The final outcome is a mind that cannot follow the official narrative because they see connections where others don't.

Well, that's my theory.

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
I did my own research. Made up my own mind. Got both vaccines AND the booster, and I DO NOT have buyer's remorse.

What exactly did you think the vaccine was supposed to do? Cure Covid?

You were either mislead or didn't listen closely enough.

a reply to: incoserv

Me too.

It was made very clear from the beginning that it was about not spreading the virus.

Spock says, “Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.”

To answer your question as honestly as I can, the reason I didn't get injected with an experimental drug was my experience with phase 1-3 drug trials.

I am not a doctor, I am not in the field of drug manufacturing. I came into this sector by good old fashion American greed.

Small biotech companies have the greatest risk/reward platform available when I started investing. Yes, at first I bought into all the lies and now know these companies are mostly a scam. But what I took from all of my mistakes are how drugs are put through rigorous trials. The covid vaccine totally skipped step 1: Discovery and Development, step 2: Preclinical Research and went right to step 3: Clinical Research.

Even in the Pfizer documents they went right to testing on humans. If the data didn't suggest the vaccine was safe, those results were thrown out of the study.

The other big red flag was when step 4 happened and the FDA approved the vaccine under the name Comirnaty. This might have happened but if this was the case, the EUA would have to be halted immediately as there was a proven drug. That didn't happen. Nurses were still losing their jobs for not getting the injection, Canada didn't loosen up their restrictions on travel, airports and airplanes still required a mask and many other localized restrictions. Comirnaty was FDA approved almost a year ago. Yes some restrictions are now lighter but when Comirnaty was FDA approved the EUA and all other restrictions should have been dropped immediately.