Why I Found This Website And Why I Post Here

Dear fellow AboveTopSecret patronages: As many of my threads reveal, I have a keen interest in Bible prophecy and how it is unfolding in today’s world. This actually lead me to finding this website many years ago. Back in the 90’s I was studying a book on the prophecies of Revelation and came to the realization that God was going to use the governments of the world to turn on and destroy the religions of the world represented by a prostitute called “Babylon the great” In Revelation 17 and 18. During the 2000’s it came to me that perhaps this conspiracy has been touched upon by others and so I did a web search about conspiracies against religion and found this website. I was introduced to many conspiracies respecting such groups such as the Freemasons and their supposed plans to take over the world. I was intrigued and read some of them. I have close relatives that are Freemasons but never gave them much thought beyond a cursory glance. But I soon learned that there are several Freemasons on this website and they explained their beliefs to my satisfaction as I read through their threads. Many of the accusations against them are false. Of that there is no doubt.

In my research I have come to the conclusion that secret societies in general are not good. For a couple of reasons. One, as they are secret their true nature is not revealed to initiates, so even if it is just a social club for people you are taking a risk by joining, that they may have ulterior motives, which they wish to hide by their secrecy. Second, there are secret societies that have been used to foment rebellion against the governments, and why would one want to blindly become part of such an organization? While I respect everyone’s right to do what they want that is just my personal conclusion on the matter. I have come to the conclusion that there are no unified secret organizations behind the scenes that are governing the world. That is giving people too much credit.

This leads me to why I post on the subjects I do. As I have studied over the decades, and in my research and study into different organizations, into the Bible and prophecy I can see there is no doubt that Bible prophecy is unfolding before our eyes. It is my endeavor to write about such understandings.

I believe in prayer and meditation of God’s word and letting his holy spirit guide and direct our thoughts and actions. I see many on this site are logical thinkers and are drawn to like-minded ones and are searching for an understanding of why world events are unfolding as they are. I also believe in following the leaning of God’s holy spirit. When I post on spiritual themes, especially prophecy I feel as if the spirit is impelling me. Much as Jeremiah who said:

”So I said: ‘I am not going to make mention of him, And I will speak no more in his name.’ But in my heart it became like a burning fire shut up in my bones, And I was tired of holding it in; I could no longer endure it.”

There is no doubt in my mind that God is real, his word is preserved for us in the Bible and he guides us by his holy spirit as we read in it to give us peace, love, a future, and a hope:

”For I well know the thoughts that I am thinking toward you,’ declares Jehovah, ‘thoughts of peace, and not of calamity, to give you a future and a hope. And you will call me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you.”-Jeremiah 29:11-12.

And he speaks the truth to all who will listen. He sees everyone and examines the heart:

”Jehovah is in his holy temple. Jehovah’s throne is in the heavens. His own eyes see, his watchful eyes examine the sons of men. Jehovah examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one.”-Psalms 11:4-5.

I was actually going to write about Revelation 12 further expounding on a previous thread but ended up writing a little introduction thread after a long while on this website. I have profound respect for other beliefs and non beliefs. It is my hope that this thread, and others like it may provoke thoughtful discourse on world events and how they are fulfilling Bible prophecy and how God cares for humanity and is showing us the way to the life everlasting. This is one way I know to help others with my knowledge and insight, which I myself received in undeserved kindness and mercy, most undeserved! It is my wish that one day all may come to have the same faith and hope. And those that do, may come to a greater understanding which increases our love for God and our desire to share that with others by loving them.

May you all have the peace that God grants in his mercy and undeserved kindness.

a reply to: randomuser

But I soon learned that there are several Freemasons on this website and they explained their beliefs to my satisfaction as I read through their threads. Many of the accusations against them are false. Of that there is no doubt.

I've always found the notion that freemasons want to take over the world
preposterous. I don't even consider them a secret society as much as just
an organization of preferred gentlemen. They perform some offbeat rituals
and are loyal to any member to point of criminality. So it would seem. I find
it hard to fault them for that in this world. They seem to be a leg up for
the common man. In this world I see that as a good thing and would likely
accept if ever invited. So there you go members I'm advertising.


I do like people to know that I chose Jesus Christ and the story of Creation
over atheism when I was ten YO. I've never once looked back or heard any
thing that could make me doubt since then. Not a single argument from the
subjective or the objective has ever caused a miss step. So many don't under
stand that only thru Christ can we fear no evil. Without him it will devour us.

Thank you for the thread Random

Back in the 90’s I was studying a book on the prophecies of Revelation and came to the realization that God was going to use the governments of the world to turn on and destroy the religions of the world

You were studying the wrong book...

T.l:d.r
Secrets are bad.
The bible has it all figured out.

Nevermind the library under the Vatican.

originally posted by: Terpene
T.l:d.r
Secrets are bad.
The bible has it all figured out.

Nevermind the library under the Vatican.

Quite to the contrary. There are far more majestic secrets that are revealed and mysteries that are beyond human imagination to conjur. There are many sacred secrets that have been held in long-lasting times, that are revealed and made yes by means of the Christ. These secrets are far more intersting than mere mundane speculations.

a reply to: randomuser

You post here because it counts towards your witnessing hours, and you would rather do this than go out door to door only to have them all slammed in your face. I know, I have been there.

originally posted by: MetalChickAmy
a reply to: randomuser

You post here because it counts towards your witnessing hours, and you would rather do this than go out door to door only to have them all slammed in your face. I know, I have been there.

No.

a reply to: randomuser

People power gave many of us here religious freedom, we fought for it back when fundamentalism and religion was rife in governments and kingdoms. Ideology can cause the strife too but historically it's the religious folk killing religious folk and not necessarily governments.

Ironically it's enlightened people joining governments in the past that helped reform laws in society to a place of respect and common sense. I know some would disagree with me but I hope they can be tolerant of my views when they do so.

If you go looking for a fight you usually find one... I have no faith in an end time revelation because it sounds like a lense on the human suffering we've experienced so far. I guess what I'm saying is don't stare at the light it'll blind you.

Instead look around, sure there's plenty of bad. I see beauty too and you'd struggle in finding me condemning any of it in the name of something holy. Weirdly enough I've actually caught that vibe off most Christians I know... Down to earth people putting their hopes and aspirations here and into others.

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: randomuser

People power gave many of us here religious freedom, we fought for it back when fundamentalism and religion was rife in governments and kingdoms. Ideology can cause the strife too but historically it's the religious folk killing religious folk and not necessarily governments.

Ironically it's enlightened people joining governments in the past that helped reform laws in society to a place of respect and common sense. I know some would disagree with me but I hope they can be tolerant of my views when they do so.

If you go looking for a fight you usually find one... I have no faith in an end time revelation because it sounds like a lense on the human suffering we've experienced so far. I guess what I'm saying is don't stare at the light it'll blind you.

Instead look around, sure there's plenty of bad. I see beauty too and you'd struggle in finding me condemning any of it in the name of something holy. Weirdly enough I've actually caught that vibe off most Christians I know... Down to earth people putting their hopes and aspirations here and into others.

I agree that the freedoms that America was endowed with at its founding was because of enlightened people fleeing from persecution from Europe, mostly religious persecution, but also political.

It also had to be that way. The Anglo-American duel world power was foretold to be the world power in the time of the end, in which we have been living since 1914. The United States did not become a world power until that year. And before that Great Britain only became a world power after beating the French and Napoleon at the battle of Waterloo which they should have lost. But it was already foretold that they would usurp power from the French, the Dutch, and the Spanish.

The United States would be where the freedoms of religion, of the press, and of assembly would be needed in order for God’s people to have the freedom to spread the kingdom message abroad, before the end comes. The fact that the United States is the ruling world power, is a testament to the veracity of Bible prophecy, and also a sign we are in the last days. It will remain so until Jesus arrives in kingdom glory in heaven to establish his righteous kingdom rule over all the earth.

a reply to: randomuser

I agree that the freedoms that America was endowed with at its founding was because of enlightened people fleeing from persecution from Europe, mostly religious persecution, but also political.

Are you a "denomination" type of guy if you don't mind me asking?

Political religious strife would be an apt description but it's ignorant of history to think that was the wavelength most people were on. Witch hunts are for enemies, cross border raids are for pillaging and murdering heretics was often just a brilliant way to take out rivals and enemies. What I'm saying is religion is a bloody good excuse and never reflects the reality on the ground of say Salem, the Scottish borders or Catholic Spain and it's territories.

History seems to point towards Christian extremism being extended due to making it's way to the New World. Hence my question if the denomination or the faith is more important to you...

It also had to be that way. The Anglo-American duel world power was foretold to be the world power in the time of the end, in which we have been living since 1914. The United States did not become a world power until that year. And before that Great Britain only became a world power after beating the French and Napoleon at the battle of Waterloo which they should have lost. But it was already foretold that they would usurp power from the French, the Dutch, and the Spanish.

It genuinely depends what you define as a world power, there's only one superpower for now but historically there's been times when major navies were wiped out in Europe and the world power was French, German, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese... We have a vast history, hardly an expert on history although I would say projected power (world power status) mattered more and more as Europe relied on imports and economy and that peaked with steam.

The United States would be where the freedoms of religion, of the press, and of assembly would be needed in order for God’s people to have the freedom to spread the kingdom message abroad, before the end comes.

A little taste of freedom before a good old annihilation. I'd need some serious enlightening to ever be down to that. I'm not angsty enough with the rest of the world for that just yet.

It was a beautiful evening. The water was perfect, the weather spectacular, a warm summer night with a gentle breeze off the ocean, and calm waters.Thought I’d share a peaceful moment with my fellow Abovetopsecret gents.

a reply to: randomuser

Do you know what contrary even means? It would read...

Secrets are good
The bible is wrong

Lets talk about the library under the vatican.

The Bible is a tricky book, because it is full of both Good and Evil and Stories of Men.

I have been able to read it with a discerning eye, and focus on the ILLUMINATED text.

I also take heed of the fury and vengence of the Lord, and I do not seek to anger him.

I am an imperfect being, but I take comfort in the words of hope and salvation and the end of suffering.

I have seen good signs, and bear witness daily to the slow unfolding of His Plan.

Fear not and rejoice!

Are you sure you've gone the right way around deciding what to hold as beliefs ?

It's hardly the case that governments are attempting to destroy religions , unless its the wrong sort of religion .
The government of Malaysia would be a good example of the right type.

What you've been getting wrong by the looks of it on the surface , is you're trying to fit world events in to a bible baaed narrative and timeline , rather than the other way round.

If you study the realities of the world first , then and only then should you compare to biblical accounts of what was proposed might happen in these or other latter days .

And then if they link up in your mind by all means say so.


Any other way of processing the things you want to say into coherence would only involve confirmation bias , and therefore the results would likely be wrong.

And you don't want to be wrong , hopefully. So take an earnest honest approach and not one of blind faith .
You'll not convince many people to depart from rationality into book based perspectives, they tend to shy away from religious rose tints instinctively , and so they should.

Pier Ferdinando Cassini , does he love The Pope ?
If you can answer that question in a reasonably full sense ( you d have to research exactly who he is and what he does first ? ) then you might redress what you've said about governments , global or otherwise attempting to destroy religions .

It's really the opposite of what you believe . Religions usually provide moral authority, money power and control methods to local rulers , take the c of e flying blue and yellow flags for a recent example .

And if you missed a twin thing being run-through twice you'll never know much about this till the stories told afterwards .

a reply to: randomuser

And before that Great Britain only became a world power after beating the French and Napoleon at the battle of Waterloo which they should have lost

Nonsense.
Britain's dominance was brought through The Industrial Revolution, science and technology. Britain basically created the modern world. Capitalism was the major factor in being a super power.

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: randomuser

I agree that the freedoms that America was endowed with at its founding was because of enlightened people fleeing from persecution from Europe, mostly religious persecution, but also political.

Are you a "denomination" type of guy if you don't mind me asking?

Political religious strife would be an apt description but it's ignorant of history to think that was the wavelength most people were on. Witch hunts are for enemies, cross border raids are for pillaging and murdering heretics was often just a brilliant way to take out rivals and enemies. What I'm saying is religion is a bloody good excuse and never reflects the reality on the ground of say Salem, the Scottish borders or Catholic Spain and it's territories.

History seems to point towards Christian extremism being extended due to making it's way to the New World. Hence my question if the denomination or the faith is more important to you...

It also had to be that way. The Anglo-American duel world power was foretold to be the world power in the time of the end, in which we have been living since 1914. The United States did not become a world power until that year. And before that Great Britain only became a world power after beating the French and Napoleon at the battle of Waterloo which they should have lost. But it was already foretold that they would usurp power from the French, the Dutch, and the Spanish.

It genuinely depends what you define as a world power, there's only one superpower for now but historically there's been times when major navies were wiped out in Europe and the world power was French, German, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese... We have a vast history, hardly an expert on history although I would say projected power (world power status) mattered more and more as Europe relied on imports and economy and that peaked with steam.

The United States would be where the freedoms of religion, of the press, and of assembly would be needed in order for God’s people to have the freedom to spread the kingdom message abroad, before the end comes.

A little taste of freedom before a good old annihilation. I'd need some serious enlightening to ever be down to that. I'm not angsty enough with the rest of the world for that just yet.

Thanks for the well thought out reply. We're in agreement about how religion has been used to further people's ends for control, power, wealth/material gain. These things are evil and not condoned by the Bible. Jesus never lived his life that way. And a Christian should follow his example. He lived simple, free from the love of money, of getting a big name, of power. He was focused on doing his Father's will. In fact he humbly declared that he could not do one single thing of his own initiative. And that his bread was to do the will of God.

Jesus Christ foretold an apostasy in the Christian congregation, and others, such as the apostle Paul said that a great apostasy would come before Jesus returned. This apostasy was already at work in the congregation while the apostles were still alive, but did not get a firm hold until they all died off, and evil men came into the congregation that wanted power and prestige for themselves, and started to twist the teachings of the Christ, and pagan philosophies and traditions seeped into the varying factions within the congregation until a complete and total apostasy was in full bloom by the time Roman pagan Emperor Constantine made the apostate Catholic Church the state religion.

Thus the first century Christian congregation went from being politically neutral, not involving themselves in the wars and politics and rebellions of the day, refusing to celebrate the pagan holidays of the nations around them, to being totally corrupted. It went from waiting for God's kingdom to come, to being God's kingdom. It became a part of the world under Satan's control, teaching God dishonoring doctrines, such as the Trinity, and Hellfire and inherent Immortality of the soul. They taught the lie of the divine right of kings, and made class distinctions between a clergy and laity, and incorporated pagan holidays and festivals into their traditions and worship. They borrowed the pagan cross, and stumbled many into worshiping idols, praying to "saints" and worshiping icons.

The world of Christendom is not the Christianity of the first century. The clergy of Christendom is the "man of lawlessness" known also as "the son of destruction":

" Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. Do you not remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things?"

There were reformations trying to return the Church to the true form of worship, but those that can be found in the Protestant Churches did not return to the truth, they kept many of the same false teachings and doctrines of the Catholic Church.

God's people are no part of the world and bear witness to Jehovah's name. They follow in Jesus' footsteps closely. Serve him as the head of the congregation and the king of God's kingdom government in heaven thus they remain neutral to the politics and wars of the nations who are under Satan's control. They do not pick up arms to fight each other, for it is unthinkable that a Christian kill a fellow Christian. They look up to Jesus as the Savior of the world and the son of God, the firstborn of all creation, and the only-begotten. Not as Jehovah God who Jesus confessed to be his Father and God.

Jehovah Guides Us In the Way of Peace

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: randomuser

And before that Great Britain only became a world power after beating the French and Napoleon at the battle of Waterloo which they should have lost

Nonsense.
Britain's dominance was brought through The Industrial Revolution, science and technology. Britain basically created the modern world. Capitalism was the major factor in being a super power.

The first appearance of the seventh world power of Bible prophecy in Revelation was in 1763, when Great Britain became the foremost commercial power of the world. It was in this year that she took over most of the French possessions in North America at the conclusion of the Seven Years’ War, which involved nearly every nation of Europe and was fought world wide​—in India, North America, Germany and on the high seas. Now the seed that had been planted by the Roman Empire had grown into a mighty organization that would in time become a dual world power, foretold in the Bible at Revelation 13:11 under the symbol of a wild beast that “had two horns like a lamb” but that “began speaking as a dragon.”

That the Seven Years’ War, which began in 1756 and ended in 1763, marked the emergence of Great Britain as a world power is noted by the Encyclopædia Britannica in its Eleventh Edition. It says: “This war laid the foundations of the British empire. . . . The treaties of Paris (February 10, 1763) and Hubertsburg (February 15) marked an important stage in the history of Europe. By the first [treaty] Great Britain emerged from the war an imperial power with possessions all over the world.”

Although Great Britain lost her American colonies in the Revolutionary War that began in 1775, she continued to expand elsewhere as a world power. From 1798 to 1805 she quadrupled her area of control in India and by 1818 was the sovereign ruler there. During the reign of Queen Victoria (1837 to 1901) further areas of India, as well as Burma and large portions of Africa came under British control.

At the time of this queen’s death the British Empire possessed one out of every four square miles of land area in the world, giving rise to the saying that ‘the sun never sets on the British Empire.’ It has been said that one person out of every five in the world was a British subject. Because of her sea power it was said that ‘Britannia rules the waves.’

Do you think Judaism is a secret society? Do you think Jews are Gods chosen people. Got a problem with that?

originally posted by: olaru12
Do you think Judaism is a secret society? Do you think Jews are Gods chosen people. Got a problem with that?

Judaism today is not what it was in the Bible. And there are different sects of Judaism. You have traditional Judaism, Messianic Judaism, you have Jewish Mystics that mess with sorcery and occultism from the Kabbalah, you have Jews that are ethnic Jews but are atheists. So I think it would be painting too broad a brush to lump all Jews into the same category. I have never heard of secret societies of Jews. But I guess that doesn't mean its not possible.

Jews were indeed once Jehovah's chosen people. But they don't serve Jehovah anymore. Most of them, like adherents of Christendom don't even use Jehovah's name.

I don't have a problem with any of it. I respect everyone's right to worship or not worship the way they see fit. None of my business what they do with their lives. I am no judge. We will all stand accountable for our own actions before the judgement seat of God.

a reply to: randomuser

Thanks for the reply and the honesty

We're all human at the end of the day and I've shared time and tea with Jehovah's Witnesses in the past rather happily.

We can't forget that because we've all probably got an ideology one way or another. Something akin to a non physical violence is still rather aggressive imho.