Hitler's watch was sold in the USA

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

By the way, Australia abstained from voting at the UN on a ban on the rehabilitation of Nazism.

The state I live in also recently passed legislation to make it illegal to publicly display the swastika.

originally posted by: Kenzo
USSR started using nazi concentration camps ,and even used the equipment from camps in other locations in Russia , so clearly from day 1 after WW2 ended Russians did not have any problem about using nazi origin equipment...

The concept of Concentration camps came from Stalin's Gulags. The young German men actually viewed the Soviets as barbaric and killed for the sake of killing, while most of the Nazis felt as they killed for a vision... a purpose... a goal. And did not find it as entertainment as the Bolshevik beast from the east.


Stalin wanted to keep going through Europe after they took Eastern Germany. But lacked the provisions to reach the Atlantic; if the U.S. didn't jump in with Europe.... the world would have become a gulag.


Ever take a good look at Stalin's evil smirk while signing the non-aggression pact? Dude was like... "look at these fools... they have no idea..."

a reply to: MikhailBakunin

The first concentration camps in the world were British in Central Africa. Then at the beginning of the 20th century - the British in South Africa. During World War II there were concentration camps in the United States. This is widely known.

a reply to: RussianTroll

What about Russians deported to Siberia?

In 1754 the Russian government decided to send petty criminals and political opponents to eastern Siberia. Sentenced to hard labour (katorga), the convicts had to travel mostly on foot and the journey could take up to three years and it is estimated about half died before they reached their destination.

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a reply to: dollukka

What about the millions of Irish slaves?

a reply to: RussianTroll

Same game as in Russia

The Black Sea, Russia, and eastern Europe exported slaves throughout the medieval period. Most had been born free but were enslaved through capture or occasionally through sale by relatives. During the eighth through tenth centuries, slaves were traded from eastern Europe and the Baltic to elite households in Byzantium and the Islamic world via the Dniepr and Volga river systems, the Carolingian empire, and Venice.

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Serfdom was a slavery too. Even today some people live in slavery like conditions.
Global slavery index

I wonder if there were any countries which didn´t have slavery in any forms.

a reply to: dollukka

Serfdom concerned less than 20% of the peasants for a short time. And it was not slavery, as much as you would like it to be.
But in the United States, slavery was abolished only in 2013 in Mississippi.

a reply to: RussianTroll

wrong and there you go blowing smoke again while spewing your prejudice for the British, twisting truth to disparage them.

look up info before you tell lies.

the first concentration camps were used by a Spanish Genreal named Valeriano Weyler y Nicolau set up what he called reconcentrado camps in Cuba during the cuban war for independence , then the British during the boer war.

none of these even came close to the 23 gulags / concentration camps that the bolsheviks / soviets had set up by 1922.




and as to not show bais, i should say that the U.S. has the longest history of it, if you want to include the native american reservations.
even though these were large swaths of land.

a reply to: BernnieJGato

The first concentration camps in the world:

1. During the American Civil War in the town of Andersonville, the southerners built a concentration camp for captured soldiers of the northern federal army. In the Andersonville concentration camp, about 10,000 captured northerners died from starvation, disease, epidemics, and ill-treatment. About 300 concentration camp prisoners were shot dead just for stepping over the line drawn. In Andersonville, prisoners were tortured not even to find out military information, but just like that, out of pure sadism. After the war, the commandant of the camp, Heinrich Wirtz, a German by birth, was executed by the northerners as a war criminal.

2. Douglas Federal Concentration Camp was established in February 1862 at Lake Michigan, near Chicago. The camp contained both captured Confederate soldiers and civilians from the territories of the southern states. The conditions of detention in the Douglas were appalling.
By December 1, 1866, only 1,402 graves could be found (out of 2,968 graves previously recorded). About 2,000 people are still considered missing to this day. How many Confederates actually passed through Camp Douglas is unknown.
The death rate in Douglas exceeded the “indicator” of Andersoville, and the Andersonville camp was organized by southerners much later than Douglas - in March 1864, and quite a lot has been written about the cruelties perpetrated by the Confederates on prisoners in this concentration camp ...

3. The very first concentration camps for the civilian population were organized by the British during the Anglo-Boer War of 1899-1902. The concentration camps were officially called "Places of Salvation" ("Refugee"), and were created, according to the cynical statement of the British government, to "ensure the safety of the civilian population of the Boer republics." Crematoriums were used to destroy corpses in these concentration camps. In total, according to the most conservative estimates, over 200,000 people were kept in English concentration camps, over 26,000 of them died from starvation, disease and intolerable conditions of detention. The vast majority of the dead were children.

4. The Germans created their first concentration camps in 1904 in Namibia to contain men and women of the Guerrero and Nama tribes. This little-known fact, however, was classified by a UN report in 1985 as an act of genocide. The whole world knows the system of German concentration camps during the Second World War. A lot of research has been done on this topic, thousands of books have been written. But one fact remains little known to the public. The first step in Adolf Hitler's military career was a position in the security service of a concentration camp for prisoners of war in the town of Traunstein near the Austrian border, where mostly Russian soldiers were kept. The experience gained by the Fuhrer in this concentration camp later spread throughout Europe.

5. The facts of the creation of concentration camps by Spain, Turkey, Italy in Yugoslavia, Austria-Hungary in Transcarpathia and Galicia, Croatia, Chile are known.

6. Even “tolerant” Finland has its own history of concentration camps. During World War II, the Finnish army occupied eastern (Russian) Karelia, where concentration camps were set up for Soviet prisoners of war and citizens of Slavic origin. On July 8, 1941, the General Staff issued an order for the internment of persons of "incomprehensible" nationality, that is, not related to the Finno-Ugric peoples. In total, 13 Finnish concentration camps operated on the territory of eastern Karelia, through which 30 thousand people from among the prisoners of war and the civilian population passed. About a third of them died. The main cause of death was starvation, disease, torture and abuse. In the camps, corporal punishment (rods) and identification tattoos were used.

7. Pan-European Poland has a separate place in the creation of concentration camps.

The Second Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth created a huge "archipelago" of dozens of concentration camps, stations, prisons and fortress casemates. It is spread over the territory of Poland, Belarus, Ukraine and Lithuania. These are not only dozens of concentration camps, including "death camps" and the so-called. internment camps, such as Strzalkovo, Shiptyurno (Szczypiorno), Lancut (Lancut), Tuchole, but also prisons, sorting concentration stations, concentration points and various military facilities like Modlin and the Brest Fortress, where there were 4 concentration camps at once - Bug-shuppe, fort Berg, Graevsky barracks and officer ...

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a reply to: BernnieJGato

The Second Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth created a huge "archipelago" of dozens of concentration camps, stations, prisons and fortress casemates. It is spread over the territory of Poland, Belarus, Ukraine and Lithuania. These are not only dozens of concentration camps, including "death camps" and the so-called. internment camps, such as Strzalkovo, Shiptyurno (Szczypiorno), Lancut (Lancut), Tuchole, but also prisons, sorting concentration stations, concentration points and various military facilities like Modlin and the Brest Fortress, where there were 4 concentration camps at once - Bug-shuppe, fort Berg, Graevsky barracks and officer ...

The islands and islets of this Polish end-archipelago were located, among other things, in cities and villages and were called: Pikulice (in the south, not far from Przemysl), Korosten, Zhytomyr, Aleksandrov, Lukov, Ostrov-Lomzhinsky, Rombertov, Zdunskaya Volya, Torun, Dorogusk, Plock, Radom, Przemysl, Lviv, Fridrihovka (on Zbruch), Zvyagel, Dombe (near Krakow), Deblin, Petrokov, Wadowitsy (in southern Poland), Bialystok, Baranovichi, Molodechino, Vilna, Pinsk, Ruzhany, Bobruisk, Grodno, Luninets , Volkovysk, Minsk, Pulawy, Powazki, Rivne, Stryi (in the western part of Ukraine), Kovel ...

The Red Army soldiers were destroyed in Polish captivity in the following main ways: massacres, executions, the creation of unbearable conditions in the concentration camps themselves (bullying and beatings, hunger, cold, disease).

According to various sources, during the Soviet-Polish clashes in 1919-1921, from 140 to 200 thousand Soviet soldiers were taken prisoner. About 80 thousand of them died in Poland from starvation, diseases, torture, executions and bullying. The Poles give a figure of 85 thousand prisoners and 20 thousand dead, but it does not stand up to criticism, since only in the Warsaw battle the number of captured Red Army soldiers is about 60 thousand people. This crime has no statute of limitations. Only 65 thousand people returned from captivity after the conclusion of the Riga Peace Treaty of 1921.

8. On the territory of Soviet Russia, the first concentration camps in Russian history were created by the British. Arriving in the Russian North as interventionists of the Entente, the British first of all began to clean it from "undesirable elements." The buildings of the concentration camp on August 23, 1918 on the island of Mudyug in the White Sea, not far from the mouth of the Dvina and the city of Arkhangelsk, were erected by the first batch of prisoners numbering 134 people, among whom the Bolsheviks were only 9 people. At its peak, the number of prisoners in the concentration camp was 1242 people, of which 22 were Bolsheviks. In October 1918, typhus, scurvy, dystrophy, and parasites spread. In winter, the temperature in the barracks was about minus 8 degrees, as a result of which several people died from the cold every night.

On June 2, 1919, the British handed over the concentration camp to the white government of the Northern Region. By this time, out of 1,242 prisoners, 23 had been shot, 310 had died of disease and mistreatment, and more than 150 had become disabled.

9. Separately, there are concentration camps in the United States for people of Japanese nationality (exclusion zones), which included more than a third of the country's territory. They were mostly located in deserts or Indian reservations. More than 100 thousand Japanese were sent there, and those who had at least 1/16 of Japanese blood.

I would especially like to mention the American concentration camps in Europe, which were created in 1945, and in which, according to American statistics, more than 2.5 million German soldiers who surrendered to the Allied army after the surrender of Germany were imprisoned.
In March 1945, a CCS letter signed by Eisenhower contained a recommendation to create a new class of prisoners - Disarmed Enemy Forces - DEF - Disarmed Enemy Forces, which, unlike prisoners of war, did not fall under the Geneva Convention. Therefore, they were not to be supplied by the victorious army after the surrender of Germany. Nothing, no food, no shelter, no medicine. Nothing!
About a million German prisoners of war were killed in American concentration camps in Europe.

The theme of the concentration camps is immense. If you like, I can continue further.

a reply to: RussianTroll

here you go with more spinning of bullsh@@, and lies. and if the post you just made is true, your post which i quote below was just a lie.

in your first post you said,

The first concentration camps in the world were British in Central Africa. Then at the beginning of the 20th century - the British in South Africa. During World War II there were concentration camps in the United States. This is widely known.

so which is it, the Boer War was after the U.S. Civil War. posting half truths even if you want to call POW camps concentration camps are still lies.


Your post

andersonville and douglas camps were POW camp, not a concentration camps for political or civilians prisioners. i guess if you wanted to call them that you could but their not the same, and you know it.


everything else you posted is spun bullsh@@ as you always do,

it is well documented that Spain set up the first camps for civilians and political prisoners which is what a concentration camps is.

another thing what you just posted looks to be a copy and paste job, with no source credited. you have been warned at least twice about that and posting links in russian, yet you still do it.

a reply to: BernnieJGato

There is no need to be so nervous about the facts I have cited, which are known to the entire civilized world.

a reply to: RussianTroll

What facts have you presented? You have made claims, but have yet to provide a "scientific historical reference to your words."

You have ignored any posts that do provide evidence that is contrary to your agitprop and are yet to answer any simple questions. One of those was even the very first response to this thread!

Why is this?

a reply to: RussianTroll

The first concentration camps in the world were British in Central Africa.

Wrong.

They where Spanish in Cuba. Look it up.

a reply to: RussianTroll

I have to wonder.........does Hitler's wrist watch run backwards?

a reply to: RussianTroll

Please continue and enlighten us about Stalin, Gulags, etc?

a reply to: cmdrkeenkid

The Russians remember everything, and they will certainly remind those who have forgotten about it with the payment of very substantial compensation.

"Russians always come for their money."
Otto von Bismarck.

a reply to: RussianTroll

"Compensation" for what?

Long story short, Nazis are everywhere but Russia...lol

The Wagner Group is actually a band, and not mercs with Nazi roots.

I just can't help thinking of Captain Koons in Tarantino's movie Pulp Fiction.

No wonder "Onkel Heinz" was always walking so funny for 30 years after World War Two.