A trap for the intellect

Philosophers of ATS, I pose a simple thought. A question if you will.

It is said that god is all. Even the newage has it's 'universe', it's all.

A common concept that this or that is everything. The mind always chases a first principal and a beginning. People fight over this very question from the point of view that their own religion is right. Though in modern times someone came up with the idea that god must be everyone's god, and so let us have a one world religion.

To my own way of thinking the heaven of the Catholic is not the same heaven as the Hindu, nor the same heaven as the Theosophists for that matter.

Always the starting point, a trap for the mind I shall suggest; "god is everything".

Can you escape from that thought?

To step outside so to speak?

Very boring dude.
It's like posing a cone without the icecream on a hot day.

a reply to: TOOLPART

Can you do it?

Okay then, let's start with all being a word and not a title.
a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Discussing god from a scientists perspective is a bit of a conundrum, being it's like Joan Rivers discussing NASCAR and it's obvious too.
To add, no offence meant.

a reply to: TOOLPART

No offence taken : )

god from a scientists perspective

I am not a scientist for starters, and I never said gods do not exist, nor heavens for that matter.

Quote me from the OP: To my own way of thinking the heaven of the Catholic is not the same heaven as the Hindu, nor the same heaven as the Theosophists for that matter.

It's a very good point though.
On the quote that is. Shall I say watching a TV sitcom is heaven to many or even the local news, at least in part.

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a reply to: TOOLPART

One might even say, being a devoted member of a group can become a religion to many. Many people find that in their vocations. The company man for instance. One may say the man standing on the pulpit preaching fire and brimstone is a company man.

Yeah, fire and brimstone.

What if there is nothing but a grey gooish quantum foam outside of your perception, only to condense into a nut and bolt experience when perceived?

Makes all this philosophical pondering obsolete, yet it can explain quite a lot, especially the stuff we don't agree because we can't stand there side by side and ponder the tree, cat, or whatever and reach a commonsense conclusion.

a reply to: Terpene

What if there is nothing but a grey gooish quantum foam outside of your perception, only to condense into a nut and bolt experience when perceived?

Or maybe even a nothingness?

Makes all this philosophical pondering obsolete, yet it can explain quite a lot, especially the stuff we don't agree because we can't stand there side by side and ponder the tree, cat, or whatever and reach a commonsense conclusion.

Along with cats and trees, one could discuss catholicism too. One might even see them all come and go as their perceivers stop and start perceiving.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

not much of a trap, although that depends on how you understand it.

it's to be taken literally. in that regard, there isn't much to chase, perhaps except unlimited power.

your will is god's will. your thought is god's thought. there's no escaping it.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Or maybe even a nothingness?

Sommething from nothing, is something i can't warp my head around with good faith... Maybe if we go back to the first point in time and space, I could argue that there was nothing there on the blank sheet, but that piint didn't come from nothing, maybe it came from nowhere?
but once the fractal starts expanding soon space would be filled with something.
The approach where every solid matter is in a fixed state seems a waste of energy and space.

One might even see them all come and go as their perceivers stop and start perceiving.

that is one aspect I'm struggling too, if everything is inside me who are you... How much of the you I perceive is me, and how much of the me you perceive is you.

I think there are focal points where things tend to assume a sense of me, and these all interact, much like gravity. But according to whoms perception, do these focal points appear as? Mine or the self-image of that focal point? Do I even have a picture of myself before looking at me from the outside?

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your will is god's will. your thought is god's thought. there's no escaping it.

May I suggest that is the view from the inside? And thus the trap?

An excercise in thought . . .

Focal points being it's to be weak and susceptible while being honest about it showing your sense of me as you put it says it comes from fear.
Think about it, what have you? Nothing more than before, him or her, like a story is just a story when it's finished.
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a reply to: TOOLPART

I'm not getting anything your trying to convey.... Sorry

a reply to: Terpene

Perhaps some things have simply always been?

When the last dreamer stops dreaming the dream disappears.

that is one aspect I'm struggling too, if everything is inside me who are you... How much of the you I perceive is me, and how much of the me you perceive is you.

I think there are focal points where things tend to assume a sense of me, and these all interact, much like gravity. But according to whoms perception, do these focal points appear as? Mine or the self-image of that focal point? Do I even have a picture of myself before looking at me from the outside?

Yah, that's a philosophical mind ****. I wonder how difficult reality really is. Is it truely minds within minds ad infinitum? Personally I think not.

The old saying said to have been over the gate at the temple of Delphi is Know thyself. To me at least that implies the existence of what is not thyself. Therefore what is separate.

That logically flies in the face of "everything is one" The monotheistic point of view.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Religion is a blankie but people should be allowed to have a blankie.


Perhaps our universe is a single cell that forms part of a larger biological entity.

That's why we can talk about parallel universes. Billions of them.

Perhaps humanity is a cancer with the potential to destroy the universe.

And just like we are not as a god to the bacteria in our gut, so the universe as a living cell is indifferent to our pleas.


Time travel could be as simple as this entity that we live inside of applying age reversal cream.

The way things are going leads me to conclude that we are living near the asshole part on this entity.

Wait a minute.a reply to: 19Bones79

Leave a nail out in the rain and see what happens.
a reply to: Terpene