53 years ago today, an Earthling stepped on another world...

a reply to: nerbot

His face is clearly visible in the 16mm footage shot from the LM window. The helmet had a visor to protect against the sun's glare.

a reply to: CryHavoc

My views are pretty much like yours. Life arose here; it seems reasonable the conditions could arise elsewhere. Even if it's billions or trillions or more to one, that's still going to be life in almost every galaxy at least somewhere on average. I've definitely never seen anything to convince me extraterrestrial life has ever been to Earth. I've never seen anything too unusual in the sky, but I have seen a few optical illusions and things like that, that I couldn't explain at the time but that I later was able to determine what happened. (like once when in a moving vehicle, it looked like the moon was racing across the sky, but in reality it was a combination of the vehicle's motion and the cloudy and dark sky tricking my senses)

a reply to: JimOberg

Where'd that 'stay on vector' quote come from?

It was one NASA mission in orbit, doing some work on the ISS. While a pair of astronauts are working away on something, one of them sees something, looks away from what he was working on and start to talk about some lights, or something out there with him. He did not say much so hard to really know what it was, but something out there got his attention.

There was a quick, sharp reply from mission control to 'stay on vector'. The astronaut went back to work.

This was from one video taken from a live feed. 5-10 years ago maybe?

a reply to: CryHavoc

I'm just wondering what everyone's opinion is about what could be out there

What makes you think there is an out there at all? The hope to escape perhaps? There is no out there. So perfect is the jail.

Do you believe we went to the moon after watching this video?

You're only told to go to the moon when people don't want you around.

a reply to: Direne

if there is a jail as you say , then there has to be an out there

the jail being the barrier between here and there
the fact it exists also means an out there exists

a reply to: sapien82

No. We put the walls for you to believe there is an out there. The jail has the size of the Universe. No walls in fact. But we reasoned that would leave you endlessly hopeless, so we thought putting 4 walls would make you believe there is an out there.

We even made you believe choosing yourself your warden is freedom.

a reply to: Direne

Who's the "we" ?

a reply to: Untun

Yes, because half truths, misrepresentation and cherry picked quotes don't amount to proof of anything apart from pushing a false narrative.

a reply to: Direne

but by placing the universe there has to be somewhere else , for We to exist
so there is another "out there" not maybe the one we all believe but the one where the "we" you speak of exists
in order to plan and make the prison you'd need a place for "we" to exist.


Just to update on that thought, how can an endless prison be a prison , as humans arent able to live long enough to understand the infinite prison is really a prison you'd never experience the human feeling of being imprisoned without access to what we consider nature or our friends and family, unless we reincarnate into said prison and somehow relearn its a prison, so the only choice if the prison exists and we reincarnate to eventually learn this is somehow not reincarnate to continue the endless prison of humanity
So it has to be infinite or the prison has to continue as "we" that can create a universe could easily wipe humans out so this also implies that the "we" you speak of have some sort of moral ethical based prison system, "we" cant wipe us out so we are in a prison, so it has to be a perpetual thing in order to justify the cost of creating a infinite universe sized prison.

anyway on whose authority are we imprisoned and for what purpose?

being imprisoned implies some sort of penal system , or justice system, so humans are imprisoned eternally for what crime?
so all humans are guilty by fault of existence ? doesnt sound very just ?

I think some conscientious objectors in the "we" must have spilled the beans or left clues , or tools for us to learn this

Anyway what did we humans do that was so bad that we have been placed in a prison we dont even know we are in and that generations of future humans are also guilty of this crime by fact of being human?

originally posted by: CryHavoc
Neil Armstrong was the first Earthling to step on the Moon, 53 years ago today. The second Earthling to step on the Moon, Buzz Aldrin, claims they were being watched. A number of Astronauts since then have said that there is 'something' out there.

I've personally never seen anything in the sky I couldn't identify.

But it's almost a statistical impossibility for there to be no life elsewhere. Maybe Intelligent life is rare, but that could be there, too. But ones traveling to Earth and our Solar System? To me, that's Science Fiction until proven otherwise. But I could be wrong.

On this famous anniversary, I'm just wondering what everyone's opinion is about what could be out there...

They are here, I’ve seen them, talked to them. All experiencers have similarities in our accounts of aliens.

back in '69, it was just coincidence, my Hippy Self & Artist GF had a marriage ceremony in DC, Church of the Pilgrim near Dupont Circle that Moon Landing Day
It is also coincidence that part of my actual surname is Lunas in reality...

accidental coincidence... naw, i have some heritage/bloodline dealing with Lithuanian Paganism from before the Catholic Church took charge, i prepare for a future interaction between light & dark powers with the Earth & Moon up for grabs


Mother Earth will eventually 'swallow up' the CV and CORONA19 pseudo life-forms that are an Abomination,
~likely from a Cosmic molecule chain from the Panspermia cloud our solar system is entering now~
(no way connected to heavens gate cult still operating...)

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: JimOberg

It was one NASA mission in orbit, doing some work on the ISS. While a pair of astronauts are working away on something, one of them sees something, looks away from what he was working on and start to talk about some lights, or something out there with him. He did not say much so hard to really know what it was, but something out there got his attention.

There was a quick, sharp reply from mission control to 'stay on vector'. The astronaut went back to work.

This was from one video taken from a live feed. 5-10 years ago maybe?

Thanks for responding in detail. I recall the quote differently, and that's pretty typical with the astronaut UFO tales that bounce around the internet.

It was from a shuttle-era video released by Martyn Stubbs. He often misheard and misinterpreted astronaut jargon.
My favorite, during a shuttle EVA, Houston CAPCOM advises the crew, "We're sending you an orbiter state vector," a routine navigation task updating the spaceship's autopilot with its exact position and velocity in 3D space at a precise time tag. Stubbs insisted Houston was saying, "We're sending you an ORDER to STAY 'vector'," meaningless garble for what he imagined was a command not to react in any way to the UFO Stubbs claimed he could see buzzing around their heads.

a reply to: sapien82

You know, the other day I was reviewing some algorithms that are run in what they call the Great Simulator. A simulator where civilizations are simulated and their evolution in time is analyzed. The question is whether or not we should incorporate mechanisms that guarantee mercy, or whether mercy should be removed from the design.

In that simulation, an Earth-like solar system is deployed, the synth-Earth is seeded, evolution takes place as expected, and after several runs a human-like techno-civilization emerged. Mercy subroutine is then fully enabled, turning the individuals into fully self-aware merciful beings facing the dilemma on how to feed themselves without killing any other life-form. The civilization collapses.

We then tweak the algorithm for the individuals to only respond to any distress call, and we release an AI probe fully programmed to show mercy and help the distressed life-forms by removing the threat. The Ai probe diligently fly over the synth-Earth oceans, detects a distress call from a dolphin being chased by two killer whales. The AI removes the threat by killing the killer whales. Minutes after, the distress signal came from an octopus being attacked by a dolphin, which is diligently neutralized by the the AI probe. After several days patrolling the area, the AI probe learned about the food chain and how life-forms are always predators for some preys, which are in turn predators for another life-forms. The Ai efficiently removes all life-forms, except for phytoplankton.

The planet collapses due to a phytoplankton bloom which dramatically changes the entire planet's atmosphere. In the end, a beautiful Mars-like planet is all is left. The scenario defined were all termed flawed by the team. No solution involving biological life-forms seems to work.

The techno-civilizations that emerged were not cruel, hateful, abominable civilizations. They were simply biological. They committed no crime, no sin. It is just that biology is a jail.

There's a good reason that the public wasn't allowed a second chance at the moon. I am willing to believe we've been constantly keeping a presence on the moon secretly and the knowledge about what is really going on there is fully denied us.

a reply to: Direne

No scenario with biological life worked as a solution , a solution to what problem?
are humans just bio machines designed to ruin planets ? are we planet killers for worlds selected for death?


couldnt a species genetically alter its dna to photosynthesis , the sea cucumber is one such animal that eats algae which has now become a part of the sea slug , it can photosynthesis or eat it is both plant and animal

so couldnt humans do this . alter their biology to overcome these hurdles of biology
not saying go full machine , but maybe just a better biological machine

make us all able to photosynthesis and we'd all be green and we wouldnt have skin colour division
we could end world hunger just by sunbathing
but like you said before we can never agree on anything .

So whoever made us created a prison , the universe isnt the prison the prison is our biological shell
and whatever it is that makes us unique and individual as trapped in the meat sack prison.

Do you think Mars was such an experiment , the seeding trial part 1, it didnt work and they moved to earth and found the sweet spot but now its all gone to #

A soldier's encounter with a UF0 during the Rhodesian Bush War (the chapter spans 1976-1979).
From the memoir: Weep for Africa: A Rhodesian light infantry paratrooper's farewell to innocence. By Jeremy Hall, 30 Degrees South Publishers, 2014. Pages 285-286.

I quickly sat up, pulled the veil off my face and tightened my laces. Everyone there was making their way to the river. Upon getting there, I noticed the guys were looking across the vast expanse of the Zambezi (...). There, stationary, at an estimated distance of just over a kilometer away a strange shape hovered. It was shaped like an upside-down teardrop, the top a glimmering luminous bright blue, then lightening to a shimmering yellow across the main cylinder of the tear-shaped body, and ending in a tail glowing red to white tip.
(...)
"What the f**k is that, Jesus!" exclaimed the sarge.
Added to this were the 'jirres', 'foks' and 'jislaaiks' from the Rhodesian and South African members, a "Cor' bloimey, would ye have at that loike" from a lone Brit, topped off with a "Fook me sideways, choom" from an Irishman.
(...)
And then 'It' just blinked away. We knew, just knew that mankind - the Americans, the Russians - that nobody had that kind of technology. Nobody on earth did.

I just read the book, and thought this encounter belongs somewhere on ATS.
www.amazon.com...

a reply to: SeriouslyDeep

A secret presence somehow hidden from the orbital probes from numerous countries?

a reply to: halfoldman

Interesting. Especially the bit about how the energy of whatever they were looking varied over its surface.

Cheers

a reply to: CryHavoc

I think something is 'out there'.

Over the years, I've come to favor the IDH over travelers from other solar systems.

As to what NASA personnel may or may not have seen, no idea.

Cheers