Can space truly be endless and if it is....

I wonder, could it be possible that space is endless, really, really endless such that no matter how strong of a magnification that could be created for a deep space telescope you would never start finding dark areas. Rather than that, your telescope of 14 quadzillion power would continually show light after light such that your peephole through space would eventually be illuminated with solid light from all of those distant masses that never end?

a reply to: Sundog1

Why not?

I often entertain the idea that maybe if one would go far enough, there are these barriers of different types of radiation, then if one goes even further, even the laws of physics cease to exist.

After that its some sort of Stanley Kubrick nightmare.

Infinity doesn't exist outside of abstract theories that point towards its general location but cannot deliver an actual example of it. If you counted every grain of sand on every celestial body in the observable universe, one millimeter of infinity has been measured. Repeat 10 billion times and you've covered roughly 6,200 miles of infinity which is almost the same as having never taken a single step. Infinity is a fiction.

a reply to: TzarChasm

But if one believes infinity is fiction, then the question rises, is there a wall? And what is on the other side? How does it all end? can you go through the end?

originally posted by: XipeTotex
a reply to: TzarChasm

But if one believes infinity is fiction, then the question rises, is there a wall? And what is on the other side? How does it all end? can you go through the end?

Presumably this is what drones will eventually do. And by eventually, I mean sometime in the next century at the earliest.

a reply to: Sundog1

The stupidity of man is endless! Not sure about the universe.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: XipeTotex
a reply to: TzarChasm

But if one believes infinity is fiction, then the question rises, is there a wall? And what is on the other side? How does it all end? can you go through the end?

Presumably this is what drones will eventually do. And by eventually, I mean sometime in the next century at the earliest.

Drones might not give the answer, if the answer is tied to the observer. We are not drones.

Can space truly be endless and if it is? That’s a question I have been asking since I was 10 year old. Still no answer that makes sense to me.

originally posted by: Sundog1
I wonder, could it be possible that space is endless, really, really endless such that no matter how strong of a magnification that could be created for a deep space telescope you would never start finding dark areas. Rather than that, your telescope of 14 quadzillion power would continually show light after light such that your peephole through space would eventually be illuminated with solid light from all of those distant masses that never end?

A limitless universe would likely contain all possibilities somewhere. Maybe even exact copies of us on exact copies of Earth. Maybe Stars Wars galaxy exists. Elves and hobbits. If it is truly endless then most things are possible.

a reply to: Sundog1

I had to...

We humans have a simple concept of reality, all the things we know have a beginning and a end.
There for the idea of something without a end is impossible to us.
Just as previous poster said, if there was a end.. what is behind that and what is it made of, and who made and so on.
Even if the universe would end in a void, what is the void.. what is it made of and how far does it go.
I do not like to speculate on this question, it feels like free falling without any ground below me.

Infinity does exist. You can see it for yourself. As beautiful as it is, the Mandelbrot Set is math, not art.

also pi ;-P

infinitity.

Also, energy of a black hole.

The big bang theory does help explain somethings, but still falls short on a complete explanation on the hows and whys this universe got started.

As a theory, if the universe is infinite as we look further and further away, then I kinda expect the universe is also infinite as we look smaller and smaller as well. So far we have CERN as the world biggest microscope trying to probe the sub atomic world on its way to clearing up the murky Plank length. As this works goes on, will it find the basic building blocks that help explain how it all works, or just open up another can of worms of compounding complexity?

There are certain things in science that are simply placeholders for gaps in our scientific understandings.

Things like infinity. It's only infinite, because it hasn't been measured. It would be just as believable to say space ends or fades out there somewhere, but we don't have the means to map it.

Currently we can't prove either is true. It's akin to having a set of binoculars and saying the ocean continues forever.

Until, or if ever, we are able to traverse the cosmos in a blink of an eye we will probably never know.

If we can imagine infinity, then it just may exist. There is no scientific reason why there needs to be an end to the universe.
Yep, to some it is an inconceivable thought of imagination, but a look back at any preliminary views of Science gives evidence that such views are typically wrong in its first guess about anything. How can you equate grains of sand don't with an infinite concept.

Most people accepted for decades Einstein's theory that nothing can move faster than light. OK, as far as natural physics goes, but it you cheat on Einstein and build a warp drive that escapes the natural limits of his theory, then Presto! You have the means of the UFOs that sidestep around mass, inertia, gravity, etc. you know, sorta like the concept man could not fly until he developed flight machine to sidestep that aspect of physics.
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a reply to: Sundog1

your telescope of 14 quadzillion power would continually show light after light such that your peephole through space would eventually be illuminated with solid light from all of those distant masses that never end

Not at all. You obviously ignore how a telescope works. A telescope is not a magnifying lens. It does not see objects: it collects photons coming from the object.

This means you need to wait for the photons to arrive to the telescope. If your space is endless, as you want it to be, then it will take an endless time for the photons to arrive. In the meantime, you would see... darkness.

a reply to: Sundog1

the physical Universe (along with 'Its' consciousness) .... decided tha t forever Expanding was the path to take... thus assuring 'Its' continued existence and remaining Active in adapting to survive and flourish

a reply to: TTU77

I got about 1/2 of what was talked about, lot of colorful language. I know it not always easy expressing the relationships of mathematical concepts. Good analysis of some of the concepts out there. I know this stuff is tough, guess it depends on what material and metric is used to build those infinite lines for the actual result?

It seams like time and space can be bent by gravity? Maybe that is just our understanding of it being on a gravity planet? Is there really a direct relationship between time, space and energy, mass? Will be some effects and interactions. If a unified field theory did exist, would those in grasp of it want to let it out?

While I know it is hard to comprehend, does existance really need anything for time/space to exist? Maybe there is some interrelation for mass/energy to exist? Could that be infinite as well? Fiat currency says yes. Until reality says no.