World Economic Forum Calls for Higher Gas Price to Safeguard 'Democracy'

a reply to: TonyS

First, leading democracies should agree to end the underpricing of fossil fuels, which is the principal factor preventing a clean energy transition.

Lmao... how far detached from reality do you have to be to say fossil fuels are underpriced in recent times. What they are actually saying is "our preferred sources of energy, namely solar and wind, cannot compete with fossil fuels on a cost level". So what they do is enforce more taxes, more regulations, anything to push up the cost of fossil fuels, so then they can say their "green" solutions are more cost effective. I've seen this agenda unfolding for many years, but this is a rather blunt admission by the WEF, with very peculiar timing.

When's this "democracy" thing supposed to start?

If only there was a box Vote of No Confidence”, just to avoid electing a D bag or Turdsandwich.

originally posted by: Thrumbo
a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Well, this is what google tells me:

How many years of oil is left in the world?
about 47 years
The world has proven reserves equivalent to 46.6 times its annual consumption levels. This means it has about 47 years of oil left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves).
www.worldometers.info...

According to the MAHB, the world's oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. The U.S. Energy Information Association said in 2019 that the United States has enough natural gas to last 84 years. Nov 11, 2021
www.mytwintiers.com...

You're saying everyone's estimates are wrong and basically propaganda? I'm no one to tell you that you're wrong, I don't know much about the topic (see references). I'm a lame sheeple, I feed off of google search.

Read up on predictions from the man the started this trash. He claimed in 1998, that "peak oil" would be reached in 2004-2005, and that world oil production would begin to drop after that. I distinctly remember this prediction and the discussion about it back then. As we see now nearly twenty years later, that prediction was a load of horse sh1t.

So, no, I'm not wasting time chasing down predictions from "researchers" with an agenda, when their predictions have been provably incorrect before. Hopefully, as you grow older, and after you've seen these cyclical 2012 movements of dire predictions for the energy industry come and pass, you'll see that it's a ruse.

originally posted by: vonclod
When's this "democracy" thing supposed to start?

Right after the totalitarian global takeover. Then they will let us have democracy back. I "promise."

originally posted by: Thrumbo
At the current rate of consumption, the world's oil supply (literally the estimated amount of oil in planet earth) will be exhausted in 40 years.

I think that's a pretty good reason to ween off of oil, regardless of where anyone stands politically and regardless of clean energy being a liberal "agenda".

They said that 40 years ago too.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
"Clean" energy is an oxymoron, like mostly peaceful riots.
Poop comes in the color green too.

Clean energy is a lie.



I wonder how much CO2 that mine and others like have released in to the atmosphere.

a reply to: Skepticape
I wish to say the same but you were first. Just an addition: the oil is renewable resource.

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened

originally posted by: Thrumbo
At the current rate of consumption, the world's oil supply (literally the estimated amount of oil in planet earth) will be exhausted in 40 years.

I think that's a pretty good reason to ween off of oil, regardless of where anyone stands politically and regardless of clean energy being a liberal "agenda".

Yes, yes, "peak oil".

A theory devised by a rogue researcher, in 1998, that claimed that world oil reserves would reach maximum levels in 2004-2005, and then start an irreversible descent.

20 years ago, in 1998, Scientific American published a paper by Colin J. Campbell and Jean H. Laherrère titled “The End of Cheap Oil” [1], starting a debate on oil depletion continuing to the present day. It was the return of a viewpoint on oil depletion which had been proposed more than 40 years before by Marion King Hubbert [2]⁠ and, in later years, largely forgotten. In their paper, Campbell and Laherrère updated Hubbert’s model with new reserve estimates and proposed that the world’s crude oil production would peak around 2004–2005, and then start an irreversible decline. Shortly afterward, Colin Campbell proposed the term “peak oil” for the highest global oil production level. The term was to become popular over the following decade, generating a true movement of ideas sometimes called the “peak oil movement.” Today, these predictions turn out to have been only partially correct, mainly because the role of “non-conventional” oil was underestimated. The peak oil movement seems to have faded away, while the concept seems to have disappeared from the debate and to be commonly described has having been “wrong.”

Yes, "peak oil", another failed prediction akin to the "rising sea level!" scare, that predicted parts of the East Coast U.S. should already have been submerged by now (looking out my window 2 miles from Long Island Sound.....not seeing any waves or ripples, or in fact, any water)

It would behoove people to start really, and I mean REALLY, scrutinizing the work of academics who specialize in doom porn, that is used and abused as a cudgel to manipulate human behavior.

You are getting duped friend. Unscrupulous people are cherry picking research (i.e. predictive modeling and theories) that in many cases, turns out to be wrong, and they are using that as fodder for changing what you buy, where you reside, how you live. Wake up, it's not too late, and you're on the correct forum to help this awakening along.

Beautiful post. The one thing I find alarming about the whole thing is that I believe there are very smart ppl who aren’t looking to profit or manipulate others that genuinely believe this nonsense. California/Florida were supposed to be underwater 20 years ago. This doom porn has been ongoing since the 70’s ffs. Wake-up ppl.

originally posted by: burntheships
This is a problem for the U.S. due to the corrupt man in the office
there in the White House. If he really cared about Americans he
would tell the WEF where to get off.

There’s never been a president in office that could make a difference, or even wanted to. They don’t make it that far if they give a # about the ppl. They are elected to push an agenda and it ain’t ours. You have the illusion choice and that’s all it has ever been.

a reply to: TonyS

The only Democracy they are pushing for is the one that give the dirty globalist freedoms to exploit human kind at a massive scale so they can keep reaping profits and enrich their pockets to completely take control of the nations in the world.

People need to start plucking this poisonous weed out before is too late.

originally posted by: TonyS
Yea, you read that correctly. The WEF has now declared that in order to preserve "Democracy" Fuel and energy prices should be higher. It's a complicated read and somewhat disingenuous in its presentation but basically they are calling for an end to any and all tax credits for oil, gas and coal production along with higher taxes. This isn't new; basically this is the same idea as "right" pricing fossil fuels based upon their carbon content.

www.weforum.org...

First, leading democracies should agree to end the underpricing of fossil fuels, which is the principal factor preventing a clean energy transition. The underpricing associated with producing and burning coal, oil and gas amounted to $5.9 trillion in economic costs in 2020. Nearly a quarter of these losses – $1.45 trillion – occurred in 48 major and smaller democracies.

The leading democracies of the G20 should collectively commit to phasing out cost and tax breaks for the production and consumption of fossil fuels. They should also phase in more efficient pricing of fossil fuels through taxes or tradable permits to cover the costs of local air pollution, global warming, and other economic damages.

There are 3 more provisions you can read about at the link, all of which would severely increase the price of fossil fuels across the board. They justify this with this statement.

By delaying a clean energy transition, leading democracies are making their economies more vulnerable through continued reliance on fossil fuels. Collectively acting to foster a green transition is not only good for the climate but also critical for protecting democracy.

A key point in this of course is that fossil fuels are presently "underpriced". Of course, US consumers are presently paying the "market" price for these fuels. Apparently the "market price" is too low for the WEF.

My question is, how long, weeks, days, months, before we see the Biden administration take regulatory behavior to comply with this WEF edict? How about an Executive Order?

Yet millions of Americans every morning wait in line burning gas to buy a 7 dollar coffee from Starbucks, go out to eat for lunch then drive home to retrieve their countless & useless purchases from Amazon off their front porches.
Americans have a consumerism problem & not a gas price problem.
Im glad gas is expensive, because it is teaching people just how much money they spend on their 3 streaming services , action figure collecting, Starbucks, video games , vanity cloths , vanity vehicles, monthly food delivery app services, eating out , chinese made trinkets from Amazon, gas station food , gas station soda , cell phone data plans , etc etc etc .
All the useless things Americans think they need is the true latent problem.
Lower gas prices, do not fix America’s spending on credit catastrophe we have .

Lol, everything these days is a threat to "democracy." It's like they think people still live in the 20th century and that people will just support whatever if you say it's a threat to democracy.

Hell, at this point I'd say democracy is a threat to peace.

Democracy can't have people being happy living life in their own way. Nope. You gotta supprt centralized banking. You've got to support destabilozing foreign nations. You gotta suffer so the well off can enjoy their democracy.

It's funny to them, they just throw it in the face of the world, and laugh.
When millions die from it, they probably applaud inside and wish they had done more.
The art of lying to and or abusing people while making it sound like sugar candy has gone to levels never before seen.
These people with middle class and higher incomes can just laugh too, it doesn't affect them much at all.
They just cut back on other splurging and money wasting they participate in on the regular, because after all, "they have made it" and blowing wads of dough is a self esteem booster.
Of course they will complain and roll their eyes, but they won't suffer at all.
As for the other 75% of everyone in the 1st world and 95% in the 3rd world, death comes a few steps closer, sooner, and the pain is real and ever present.

originally posted by: TonyS

They should also phase in more efficient pricing of fossil fuels through taxes or tradable permits to cover the costs of local air pollution, global warming, and other economic damages.

What that really means is "Charge more for all of it, then we will take all that extra money and put it in our kitty of theft, the taxes, the tradable permits, the air pollution businesses we cook up that do nothing but whine, and every other scheme we have going with our virtue signalling money vacuums.

YES, that is what they really mean. YOU wil be charged more and more, and THEY will take it all and make their money biz virtue signal halo wearing theft machine with it all.

originally posted by: Thrumbo
At the current rate of consumption, the world's oil supply (literally the estimated amount of oil in planet earth) will be exhausted in 40 years.

I think that's a pretty good reason to ween off of oil, regardless of where anyone stands politically and regardless of clean energy being a liberal "agenda".

Just like the last 50 years where they told us "peak oil - peak oil PEAK OIL !" had already happened.

The truth is so much of the earth is untapped they have no idea how many endless trillions of barrels are available - but most important is to do as they do now, pretend it is extremel;y scarce, and CONSTANTLY limit the production of it to keep what costs 5 bucks to extract and deliver, cost upwards of $100 on the world market.
This keeps loads of entire nations functioning and their government fat and happy.

So long as millions of you believe the BS, they will continue with their rip off schemes, long after we are all dead.

originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: TonyS

Don't think the WEF give a toss about democracy Tony.

That's why they themselves are 'unelected' and 'unaccountable'.

For what it's worth there's an old VHS video here where the WEF is being discussed in relation to 'the controlled demolition of first world economies'.

it is the current buzzword that they trained into leftist brains. All they have to do now is shout or place an article saying "Our democracy is in danger because of X" , Every week with a different X and they all go mental and start supporting the current thing to "Save democracy".

It is mass hypnosis.

Give it a few months and they can say "we need to detonate a nuke over the U.S to save democracy" and they will get support for it from their resident evil/neon haired.

a reply to: TonyS

The US should change their stance to ONLY using fossil fuels.

Why would we switch to another resource controlled by a hostile foreign nation (China)?

It's stupid.

So, about this whole "Democracy" thing. All I see is an old, bald, James Bond movie type supervillain telling us all what to do, what to think and the need for us to give up everything we own or have worked for, so the rich can get richer and control more. Isn't that rather "UN-Democratic"?
I still keep wondering who is pulling Mr. Baldie's strings?

As for the fuel prices being too low. For quite some time now I have been keeping track - useful website link below - and have to wonder why, if the $Dollar price / barrel is currently under $100 as it was before these massive price hikes, are we still paying close to double? The "Putin" and "inflation" or "inflation caused by Putin" excuses just don't cut it.

Oil price tracker that I use: oilprice.com...

a reply to: TonyS

The WEF has now declared that in order to preserve "Democracy" Fuel and energy prices should be higher. 

No, what they actually said was that governments that subsidies these industries provide a disincentive to invest in alternatives.

Keeping the price of gas low keeps the price of wind and solar high because companies aren't following free market principles.