Lithium to be declared hazardous in the EU a setup for failure

In September last year, the French president Macron asked the EU to place lithium salts on the list of hazardous substances and classify it as a Cat 1A reproduction toxin.
This went completely under the radar,
was it not that a letter from 7 metal organizations to the EU, expressing their concerns reached the mainstream media a couple of days ago.
(This was the first that I've heard about it.)

If/when lithium (-carbonate, -hydroxide and -chloride) receive this high classification and new ridiculously stricter rules come in place: for producing, handling, storage, transport and import, it would have big consequences for the entire sector. Prices will go up for sure, import will become more expensive, companies would be forced to make expensive changes. Some German companies already said they will close their European factories.

Besides that, it would mean that we just hand out the entire sector to China. Again!

For comparison: In the US and UK, lithium salts are cat 9

No basis to classify lithium as hazardous, industry groups say

Lithium salts could be declared health hazard in EU

The European Commission is supposed to make a decision about it around the end of this year.


In the midst of an energy crisis, when the demand for batteries is becoming extremely high and supply is low and already pretty expensive, they actually think this is a good idea? Because I don't hear them backing out or delaying the desision. It just stays quiet.
The question from France came last year, I'm sure Macron had no idea back then about the energy crisis we would be in only 6-7-8 months later. Right?
But he does now and so does the EU.

I should probably wait until the end of the year to hear the final decision. But...

First they push their green deals down our throats, almost trying to force people to go for solar energy and electric vehicles. Those who couldn't afford it could get a green loan.
All those home batteries, with a lifespan of 8-10 years will have to be replaced in the upcoming years, but are we still going to be able to afford it? The prices will go through the roof. Either that, or get the cheap stuff from China? Oh wait, nope. Import costs!!!

And I'm not even going to start about electric car batteries and e-bikes! the uses for lithium are many.

Are they setting us up to fail????
Because this one sure feels like it!

(Let me also state very clearly that I am nowhere stating that lithium is perfectly safe and nothing to worry about.)

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

Thanks for the heads-up, Kindra.

Cheers

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

In case you thought they wanted everyone driving electric.

They just want you living in abject poverty consuming as few resources as possible.

This only makes me laugh as "green energy" is a farce in the way they sell it.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: KindraLabelle2

Thanks for the heads-up, Kindra.

Cheers

your welcome, not that any of us ordinary civilians can do anything about it....

originally posted by: JFBlair
a reply to: KindraLabelle2

In case you thought they wanted everyone driving electric.

They just want you living in abject poverty consuming as few resources as possible.

I thought at least they wanted us to be able to warm our houses.

it's hypocrite really. All the advertisement for battery powered everything!
I don't know how it is in the US, but over here almost every bicycle you see is electric, cars not so much yet. Everyone who could afford it already placed solar panels and home batteries.
FFS they gave us subsidies for it... guess it was a one time deal with a catch.

originally posted by: greendust
This only makes me laugh as "green energy" is a farce in the way they sell it.

who cares if it's green? All I care about right now is if it's available

originally posted by: JFBlair
a reply to: KindraLabelle2

In case you thought they wanted everyone driving electric.

They just want you living in abject poverty consuming as few resources as possible.

Yes, resources will be 'earned' as a service , based on your 'social credit score'. This will include the use of self-driving EVs.
It will be utter hell. I was complaining about my life before the plandemic , I would love that old life back.
We will never go back to how things were. The only ones benefiting from this 'great reset' will be the 'elites'.

a reply to: ancientlight

Stock up on what you can, while you can. Get rid of anything you don't want or need in order to fund the items you will need that will become scarce in the future. Now, more than ever, it is evident that preparing is essential for anyone who wants to be in a better position to survive what is coming.

originally posted by: MetalChickAmy
a reply to: ancientlight

Stock up on what you can, while you can. Get rid of anything you don't want or need in order to fund the items you will need that will become scarce in the future. Now, more than ever, it is evident that preparing is essential for anyone who wants to be in a better position to survive what is coming.

I have decades to go, how is stocking up going to help 10-20 years from now? Never mind my young child's future

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

There goes all them precious plans for them little electric ding-a-lings.
Electric tractors
Electric cars
Electric recreational devices.

China is at peak pollution so I guess perhaps we shall have to use something else?

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

And suddenly the lifetime lithium battery powered smoke detector will be the worst enemy.

Sodium Iron is on the horizon though. A few companies here are currently building grid stabilizers in the MW range using iron redox flow batterie technology.

*pulling out my tinfoil hat*

You know what I think this is really about? They say it is about health and lithium salts are used in pills for treating mental illness. We constantly hear since one year how dementia and all these other mental illnesses are on the rise. Deny those that are on lithium salt pills their medication and you worsen the problem, but in a way that is not visible to the population.

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
a reply to: KindraLabelle2

There goes all them precious plans for them little electric ding-a-lings.
Electric tractors
Electric cars
Electric recreational devices.

China is at peak pollution so I guess perhaps we shall have to use something else?

thing is, they are working against their own plans....
at this point I think they are just playing the Fool,
trying to look stupid and incompetent...

originally posted by: TDDAgain
a reply to: KindraLabelle2

And suddenly the lifetime lithium battery powered smoke detector will be the worst enemy.

Sodium Iron is on the horizon though. A few companies here are currently building grid stabilizers in the MW range using iron redox flow batterie technology.

*pulling out my tinfoil hat*

You know what I think this is really about? They say it is about health and lithium salts are used in pills for treating mental illness. We constantly hear since one year how dementia and all these other mental illnesses are on the rise. Deny those that are on lithium salt pills their medication and you worsen the problem, but in a way that is not visible to the population.

yeah I thought about that, lithium pills.... wonder how much they are going to cost in the near future.

No one is going to forbid the use of lithium though,
just make it almost unavailable

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

You know they were spraying this over populated areas, towns and City's over in the US and also likely over Europe, why?.

It act's like a sedative and calm's people down and yes it probably does cause damage.

Let's hope that Graphene battery's are here fast enough to be useful.

And I would guess that all this would mean in the EU would be that disposal and recycling of lithium ion battery's would then have to be handled correctly.



Lithium has beneficial uses such as treating bipolar and depression and it can also cause harmful side affects such as heart rhythm disruption etc.

If Lithium is toxic then it should be treated as such, otherwise we risk harming people and the environment. It's very ironic that Lithium battery manufacturers would complain about higher operating costs, they should care more about the environment than money right? Well for a start Lithium comes out of massive mines, hardly a green process, and not very renewable either.

And yet we have endless swarms of people who seem to think Lithium batteries are the magical solution to all our environmental problems. It's honestly one of the most ridiculous beliefs held by the masses. Then there's the problem of disposing of those toxic batteries once they become useless, which isn't a minor problem. Not to mention batteries don't produce energy, they hold energy.

So they don't do anything to help us produce clean electricity, they just let us store energy, and chemical batteries are quite an inefficient method of large scale energy storage. For example that massive battery Tesla built in Australia didn't solve our energy issues or make energy cheaper, it just provides a fairly inefficient method of storing energy. Maybe they should develop less toxic batteries if they want less strict regulations.

why is it that everything the WEF and the "young global leaders" do seems to benefit China?

originally posted by: network dude
why is it that everything the WEF and the "young global leaders" do seems to benefit China?

makes you think that's part of the plan...

a reply to: LABTECH767
thanks for the vids, I'll watch them when I get home from work.
It's the first time I hear about lithium spraying

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
If Lithium is toxic then it should be treated as such, otherwise we risk harming people and the environment. It's very ironic that Lithium battery manufacturers would complain about higher operating costs, they should care more about the environment than money right? Well for a start Lithium comes out of massive mines, hardly a green process, and not very renewable either.

And yet we have endless swarms of people who seem to think Lithium batteries are the magical solution to all our environmental problems. It's honestly one of the most ridiculous beliefs held by the masses. Then there's the problem of disposing of those toxic batteries once they become useless, which isn't a minor problem. Not to mention batteries don't produce energy, they hold energy.

So they don't do anything to help us produce clean electricity, they just let us store energy, and chemical batteries are quite an inefficient method of large scale energy storage. For example that massive battery Tesla built in Australia didn't solve our energy issues or make energy cheaper, it just provides a fairly inefficient method of storing energy. Maybe they should develop less toxic batteries if they want less strict regulations.

It is toxic, I also stated that in my OP
and we should really find cleaner alternatives, asap...

but that's not the point, the point is that they are doing this in the middle of a crisis and people will suffer more because of this then they have to.
Batteries are also used to store solar power, not only electricity that comes from the grid.
Off grid homes use them,
cellphones, etc.

In a perfect scenario they find the alternative first and let the use of lithium die a slow death. But now everything has to go asap