Starvation as a Weapon

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: alldaylong

Oh, so Irish were allowed to own land, join the government which chose to export wheat rather than feed the starving Irish tenants in their own homeland, and apply for hunting and fishing licences?

Talking about Communism and the reds.

The one group who keeps trying to rewrite history and pretending to be saviours had always been US ally since after WW1-WW2. The RED COATS! Look up at Famine in India. This doesn't include all the atrocities they done up to bio-warfare in the Cold War and still probably doing some sneaky stuff to get people into wars. Wondering if the Queen gave the gold back. Gold and silver was taken away from us so we cannot fight demonic beings. Seems planned.

originally posted by: arcticscouthunter

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: alldaylong

Oh, so Irish were allowed to own land, join the government which chose to export wheat rather than feed the starving Irish tenants in their own homeland, and apply for hunting and fishing licences?

Talking about Communism and the reds.

The one group who keeps trying to rewrite history and pretending to be saviours had always been US ally since after WW1-WW2. The RED COATS! Look up at Famine in India. This doesn't include all the atrocities they done up to bio-warfare in the Cold War and still probably doing some sneaky stuff to get people into wars. Wondering if the Queen gave the gold back. Gold and silver was taken away from us so we cannot fight demonic beings. Seems planned.

Us bastard British should just have stayed at home instead of going around the world and creating new countries, you know like the one you live in called America.

Maybe you hate the British so much that you are willing to go home to where your ancestors came from, instead of living on occupied land.

And if you want to talk genocide, try " The Trail Of Tears " genocide of Native American Indians, after the British left.

The OP being an American, decided to conveniently omit from his list the starvation of Native American Indian tribes under American Government ideology.

At every stop along the trail, funerals and burials were held. The death toll from the internment camps, the migration, and its aftermath topped 4,000, out of a population of more than 16,000. They died of exposure to the elements, malnutrition, various diseases, and sheer physical exhaustion.

education.nationalgeographic.org...

We don't take lectures from people in countries that have commited their own atrocites. It's commonly known as " hypocrosy "

a reply to: alldaylong

a reply to: alldaylong

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: alldaylong

Good old Irish American documentary. Ask me if i am surprised. Probably with a " Forward " from Joe Biden himself.

The link i gave earlier is from Historians from The University Of Cork. I bow to anyone who has greater knowledge than those chaps.

originally posted by: alldaylong


The OP being an American, decided to conveniently omit from his list the starvation of Native American Indian tribes under American Government ideology.

Wrong. Read again. First off, I'm a woman, and secondly, read the part about the US and other atrocities, though I did mention that any group with knowledge of self-sustenance and access to private land/property had a better chance of staving off famine/hunger.

No need to become a genocide/colony apologist. This thread is not about the British either. Any good advice for people looking to source food locally?

a reply to: coamanach

I think this is excellent advice and you also raise some fascinating points. Thank you for the comment and I'm looking forward to any more info from that book if you get your hand on it

a reply to: alldaylong

It was a lovely link, a great read free of patriotism and politics.

Our nation has targeted civilians plenty of times in the past though and it wasn't always with traditional weaponry. An individuals sense of national identity played a role in such things yet it's always individuals doing the deeds isn't it? They're just Afrikaans, Natives, aboriginals etc etc.

It's too easy to blame. That said you don't always need to send in the 7th cavalry, people will happily exploit others they don't see as equal.

a reply to: RAY1990

Hi Ray, it's great to see you! I always enjoy and appreciate your input. I find your comments to be empathetic and incisive.

As for the best state of mind for important ideas (including survival), I'd definitely agree it's not when one is under duress or otherwise lacking in basic sustenance. I think some of the best ideas come from societies in which there is sufficient nutrition, rest, and probably even some leisure time.

a reply to: zosimov

I'm a woman,

This thread is not about the British either

What has that got to do with it ? And i never said you wern't.

No need to become a genocide/colony apologist.

Apologist ! No i just can't stand hypocrites like yourself.

This thread is not about the British either

Really ? You could have fooled me. So why mention starvation being used as a WEAPON in Ireland during the 1800's ?

You are implying Britain weponised food to starve the Irish, so don't try and deny it.

Anway my last reply to someone who omits their own weponisation of food towards Native American Indians. Conveniently.

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: alldaylong

It was a lovely link, a great read free of patriotism and politics.

Our nation has targeted civilians plenty of times in the past though and it wasn't always with traditional weaponry. An individuals sense of national identity played a role in such things yet it's always individuals doing the deeds isn't it? They're just Afrikaans, Natives, aboriginals etc etc.

It's too easy to blame. That said you don't always need to send in the 7th cavalry, people will happily exploit others they don't see as equal.

I am well aware of what Britain has done in the past, and we should be ashamed.

However as i have previously stated, i can't stand hypocrites who aim their ammunition at other countries but turn a blind eye to what their own country has done in the past.

When they get called out they try to deny it.

a reply to: alldaylong
But I'm sure you don't think you are a hypocrite for conveniently omitting the fact that I mentioned, right in OP, my past governments' atrocities, as well as the reason I didn't add that to the list--the Native Americans were highly adept at surviving off the land and not reliant on centralized food sources, therefore, and I quote from OP

any groups who had hunting and gathering knowledge, local production and distribution and some property with which to use it were much more likely to avoid famine.

Now I'll be happy to admit that I was wrong in this assumption and that there was indeed large-scale starvation--I said mass starvation in OP in case you didn't notice (from your link 1 million Irish starved) but how you could use the word hypocrite when I mentioned our own government's murder is beyond me.

No, this thread is not about Britain, whether it could have fooled you or not. Most of the other responses are on target so I'm not sure if the error is on my end.

a reply to: zosimov

When I think of nations these days I get the image of economic timelines and the obvious necessity for continuous growth.

There ain't no cannibalistic cows just round the corner at all, never has been never will be! Nations can definitely do more I reckon because covid and Ukraine has shown how fragile a lack of self-reliance can be.

Redundancy options, long term supply stocks... Books, that kind of thing, we do well in the west in general but there's obvious flaws. Maybe a new age cult could build some kind of repository church where you go in, worship the plough and maybe learn to be a sustainable albeit basic lumberjack if that's your cup of tea? Taking my daft hat off now because I'm just explaining some institutes and stuff.

Foraging will work for many but if too many people practice it within a given area they will deplete all resources in a single season. Even Indian tribes had to move semi-annually to allow the land to regenerate the plants and animals they used.

a reply to: RAY1990

I had a similar idea of community meetings where people share growing/food tips and troubleshoot regarding community garden spaces and how to trade if one has tons of extra produce.

In fact, think I'll chat with my neighbor to see if she has any ideas to add to that and if she'll post to the community fb page if I arrange something.
I know that my kid's school has an awesome garden. I imagine they do donate the food to a local church/food bank.

a reply to: alldaylong

The US is mentioned right after Ireland and I don't see any edits. Just saying.

I often try to simplify what I write because I'm more than capable of walls of gobbledegook. I don't think the premise of the thread was blame but the potential for the lack of basic sustenance being used as a weapon. It still happens a lot in 3rd world nations. Energy was used against the west in the 80s.

a reply to: zosimov

In the UK we have allotments, quite the community!

Usually just growing vegetables and the odd chicken but the people are usually on the older side and quite resourceful. The 'global village ' is the perfect tool but again if the lights go out you'll need those groups to be local. Asktheanimals makes a great point about sustainability too, local critters are always specialists...

Maybe a horse cult called the end is niegh! Most would have to move I'd imagine.

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: alldaylong

It was a lovely link, a great read free of patriotism and politics.

Our nation has targeted civilians plenty of times in the past though and it wasn't always with traditional weaponry. An individuals sense of national identity played a role in such things yet it's always individuals doing the deeds isn't it? They're just Afrikaans, Natives, aboriginals etc etc.

It's too easy to blame. That said you don't always need to send in the 7th cavalry, people will happily exploit others they don't see as equal.

I am well aware of what Britain has done in the past, and we should be ashamed.

However as i have previously stated, i can't stand hypocrites who aim their ammunition at other countries but turn a blind eye to what their own country has done in the past.

When they get called out they try to deny it.

opium wars,

giving hong kong back to china,

australia.

the british, proto Americanus.

we learned from the best.

The US uses sanctions to starve countries. Where companies no longer sell them food and medicine as they will be sanctioned for selling goods. They killed 500,000 children in Iraq using the same tactics.