China: MI5 and FBI heads warn of ‘immense’ threat.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Freeborn

That would also jeopardize their Western investments. I think it's a wash.

I disagree. China owns quite a bit of US farm land, nearly 200,000 acres, and is buying all it can get. More than 35 million acres of US land are owned by foreign entities, some of which may be proxy owners for China. Its still a small percentage overall, but its not meaningless.

The ways China has already "invaded" the US are impressive to say the least. As many people suspected, the power grid components from China did in fact contain backdoor access that would allow China to effect some degree of control over the US power grid.

Any US business that contracts parts and services from China has had their technology stolen, whether they realize it or not. While many believe the majority of these businesses hold no technology we need to fear losing to China, it is worth remembering that China took a huge leap forward in its digital technology potential by innocently purchasing a digital phone system that handed them technology they had not yet devised on their own.

Having seen how the US and its allies dealt with other nations over the last few decades China has had ample time to protect itself from any type of exclusion or sanction we might try to employ. Yes, losing trade with the US will hurt them, but, with "an owned and supported by China" biden in office, how much will they really lose? And how long will it take biden to start sending reparations checks, with interest, to China to make up for any inconvenience caused?

a reply to: Freeborn

Until "people" are ready to discuss the possible issues with China having leverage over Biden, due to business with his boy and brother, and likely him, I really don't want to hear any alarm bells. We have a media that is owned, a president that is owned, and government departments that are owned. If you don't believe that, then there is nothing at all to discuss. I'm just some crazy right wing conspiracy nut who can't let go of Hunter Biden. Shame on me.

originally posted by: ElGoobero

originally posted by: Freeborn

I can only assume - yes, I hate assuming anything - that this is a public attempt to make China reign themselves in?

hope it doesn't mean that the West is so powerless we can't make them pull back.

I wonder if China is going to be a parasite, sucking food and technology from the West, in return for...what? cheap labor?
they're in a bad position with so few resources. too bad they're playing dirty instead of cooperating.

Lol I don't think we are married to China but the US is definitely China's side chick, as such the side chick is gonna complain sometimes till they get pimp slapped.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Guessing right before an election.....

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
I disagree. China owns quite a bit of US farm land, nearly 200,000 acres...

200,000 acres? There's 913million acres of total farmland in the United States, no need for your real estate panic pants.

More fear mongering and the Ukraine affair isn't even half done yet. Who in their right mind would believe anything that comes from those people?

a reply to: network dude

I can't discuss any of that from any sort of informed viewpoint, I'm not American.
Sure, I've read lots about Biden being 'owned' by the Chinese but it would be remiss of me to get into any serious discussion about it without knowing more about the specifics etc.

But I do know that China has been investing heavily throughout the world in all sorts of diverse areas.
And they've been engaging in all sorts of hacking, cyberwarfare and industrial espionage and sabotage.

It is highly unusual for both of our intelligence agencies to go into so much detail in public and jointly....that has set off alarm bells for me personally.

I understand that some may think its just the usual political ping pong played by our governments.....I'm not too sure - I hope I'm wrong.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

No need to characterize anything I said as panic either.... I described it as a small percentage. How does that qualify as panic? Why do you always have to be such a tool to deal with?

I said its a low percentage but its not worthless, and another 35 million owned by foreign entities, and they are still buying. Its not a panic, regardless of how desperate you are to paint it that way, but its not meaningless either.

And, as I pointed out, China has more invested in the US than just farm land. And US businesses have a whole lot invested in China. How much of that do you think is safe if something happens between China and the US?

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
I said its a low percentage...

Not sure in what world 'quite a bit' suddenly equals 'a low percentage'. This is what happens when you don't know the facts.

a reply to: Freeborn

As long as 'The Big Guy' keeps getting his 10%...China has nothing to worry about from the US.

Some think that a conventional war with China due to resupply issues, the distances involved, the strength of our military etc. would be tremendously hard to execute.

Sadly, I think it would be far easier than you think. Let’s say they build large manufacturing sites, Foxconn for example in Wisconsin. Absolutely huge site, and no one seems to know what they’re doing there at present.

Then, with the open border we have at present, you filter in large groups of Chinese nationals. At present, we really don’t know who is coming across. If you think you do, you couldn’t be more wrong. Of course you would have to incite massive distractions across the country to provide cover for what your doing. Sound familiar?

Now you disburse your troops across the whole country over time. Your manufacturing sites are the resupply and rally points. No need to bring in small arms, they are everywhere. You buy up farms on a large scale, you do have to feed all those troops on the sly. Of course it would require some help from highly placed politicians. They would be needed to grease all the the wheels to accomplish this.

When the time is right, they unleash hell on earth. Infrastructure would be the first to go, communication, power, water, roads, distribution centers. Our country would quickly be overwhelmed from within.
Is this happening? I really don’t know. I do see it as a distinct possibility though. If this is happening, it is too late to stop it. Might be a good time to learn Chinese.

a reply to: Topcraft

Might be a good time to learn Chinese.

Just the other week I was thinking about learning another language and Chinese Mandarin was one of the languages I considered.
I gave up on Chinese as an option as I only know three Chinese people; my mate Robin who owns a Chinese take-away and his sister Poh-Ming - who is stunningly beautiful - and another mate who is universally known as Chinese Andy who owns a mobile phone repair shop. Both speak fluent English with as much of a North East English accent as I do.
I then remembered that I was #e at learning languages when I last tried over forty years ago.....linguistics was never going to be a career option for me.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Freeborn
Yeah, I'd tend to agree with that....it'd be shear lunacy to attempt an invasion of mainland USA.

The Japanese had no ambitions to invade the United States, they just wanted us out of their way for a year or so which they got and this allowed them to expand their territory.

Then they eventually got hit in the head with a baseball bat like Al Capone did to that guy in The Untouchables. Twice.

Japan had certain enthusiasm for individual achievement

a reply to: Freeborn

They prepared their younger generations for this. They have been playing the long game. All while helping ruin our generations and divide Americans. It's actually blatantly easy to see.

They then needed us to focus and war with Russia. All the pieces are falling right into place. They just need this insanity to continue until 2024. Then they will use the election bs. Wether it be election fraud again or attacks against Trump or just Dnc winning and continue the destruction of America without lifting a finger.

I would not be suprised if Biden and Pelosi have not been on board for a long time now. The evidence is there for the argument. After what I saw in San Francisco and talking to people and friends in Chinatown. Many actually expect and are waiting for this and the rise of China. It's easy to see for anyone looking at the chessboard and moves.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

This is what I was thinking.

China's growth is wholly dependent on the west. They're building a silk road to better supply the wests' appetite. Their capital market is invested in by mostly foreign entities as Chinese citizens can't own assets like we can. And their real estate market is on the verge of collapse.

China isn't insulated like Russia, and they simply can't afford to piss off the west past reintegration of Taiwan which would likely get chalked up as domestic affairs.

It should be noted as well in recent history China hasn't had much foreign projection outside their immediate sphere of influence. Compared to the west and Russia they're a rather tame super power.

All that said, I still think they're one of the biggest threats to national security. An all out war shouldn't be ruled out, but in terms of resources, trade, economic biproducts, and corporate espionage they still affect us on a level that doesn't get near the attention it should.

a reply to: Freeborn

Your friends may make it easier for you, as you would get a lot of practice. I wish I knew someone that owned a Chinese take-away, who had a stunningly beautiful sister. It what we call in the states a “win win situation”.

Remember when Obama sold the rights to the Port of LA to the Chinese and then 45 made them sell because of the National Security implications? It did not get much press.Good times. Good times.

Now we are sending our oil to them while we pay 6 bucks at the pump. Yeah, I would be worried.

China has been a global leader for quite a while now and in that time their military has caught up also. Stolen Tech and better tech.

Taiwan is a target either right before or right after midterms. Not sure which will benefits the Progressives more so cannot make a call on that one.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Freeborn

That would also jeopardize their Western investments. I think it's a wash.

I disagree. China owns quite a bit of US farm land, nearly 200,000 acres, and is buying all it can get. More than 35 million acres of US land are owned by foreign entities, some of which may be proxy owners for China. Its still a small percentage overall, but its not meaningless.

The ways China has already "invaded" the US are impressive to say the least. As many people suspected, the power grid components from China did in fact contain backdoor access that would allow China to effect some degree of control over the US power grid.

Any US business that contracts parts and services from China has had their technology stolen, whether they realize it or not. While many believe the majority of these businesses hold no technology we need to fear losing to China, it is worth remembering that China took a huge leap forward in its digital technology potential by innocently purchasing a digital phone system that handed them technology they had not yet devised on their own.

Having seen how the US and its allies dealt with other nations over the last few decades China has had ample time to protect itself from any type of exclusion or sanction we might try to employ. Yes, losing trade with the US will hurt them, but, with "an owned and supported by China" biden in office, how much will they really lose? And how long will it take biden to start sending reparations checks, with interest, to China to make up for any inconvenience caused?

Unfortunately for any one who"buys" land in the US we have SUPER DEEDS and can revoke their sale if need be,and they lose the money. That land would be repo'd as soon as they declared war on the US.

Do they have, sun sun derrrr, weapons of mass destruction? a reply to: Freeborn

a reply to: ARM1968

Yes, of course they do....your point?