Wagner Group offering Russian Prisoners Freedom if they Serve and Survive in Ukraine

a reply to: gortex

Simply amounts to blood money.

And nice to see Mr Putin fielding the cream of the crop.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: turretless

Quite often, people who oppose the Russian government are simply agents of the West or people fooled by the Western anti-Russian agenda.

More often they are people who oppose the Russian government because they can see see it for what it is , a fascist dictatorship.

British news agencies have outlets all over the world but they are still British news agencies , the closure of independent news outlets in Russia means only State approved outlets are allowed to operate there.

Obviously you already know this.

The West pays them, so they are not Russian, but Western media.

Therefore, they see what is happening in Russia in accordance with Western discourse. That is, as a fascist dictatorship.

And naive Westerners trustingly listen to this information.

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse
a reply to: gortex

In WW2,Hitler created the Volkssturm when he knew he had run out of regular fighters-by that point he pretty much knew it was game over,yet decided to throw all the young,the old,and the prisoners into the meat grinder of Berlin in a desperate attempt to delay the inevitable.

Then there's the Dirlewanger Brigade:

The unit, named after its commander Oskar Dirlewanger, consisted of convicted criminals who were not expected by Nazi Germany to survive their service with the unit.

During its operations, the unit participated in the mass murder of civilians and in other war crimes in German-occupied Eastern Europe; it gained a reputation among Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS officers for its brutality.

Several commanders attempted to remove Dirlewanger from command and to dissolve the unit, but powerful patrons within the Nazi apparatus protected Dirlewanger

When freaking SS officers want you disbanded for brutality, that's reaching a new level.

A standing army of @ a million trained Russian soldiers and you think they are in crisis?
If they release prisoners?
If the prisoners flee, least they won’t go back to Russia, no passports, no id, how long will they last in Europe
Not keeping them in prison or paying them is money saving measure and Russian criminals in Europe, good plan
Bit like Cubans sending their criminals to the US in 80

I find the story dubious but, if I was in prison, offered an out, yep, would take it
But this day and age, you can’t flee.

Anyway, stats
25k Ukrainian losses (?)
35 k Russian losses (?)
Killed and incapacitated as I understand and unofficial of course
Though I am very dubious of Ukrainian losses listed, estimated now between between 100 and 1000 per day, so, take that with a pinch of salt

Ukraine don’t have the tech, training or troops, Russia can almost wait them out at this point
english.pravda.ru...
And Europe goes into Ukraine fatigue and if it goes into winter, Europe will freeze

originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: turretless

Have you ever even watched Dhozd? It's in Russian. I understand very little Russian, it's not aimed at me. And it used to be based in Russia until 2022 when they fled to Lithuania.

No. I hardly watched this channel. They had the format that didn't suit me.

If I wanted to get acquainted with anti-Russian propaganda, I went to the Echo of Moscow. They had text versions of radio broadcasts and it was easier to get acquainted with this.

originally posted by: turretless
The West pays them, so they are not Russian, but Western media.

Keep in mind that Europe tolerated Russia Today, paid by the Russian government, until after Putin began his genocidal campaign. Because we value free speech.

Did Russia extend Western media the same courtesy? Did they tolerate true state-sponsored propaganda like Radio Free Europe, or even their own independent Russian media like Dozhd? The answer is no. Because Putin hates and fears free speech, after all he is a KGB man.

a reply to: turretless

That makes sense, because you seem very ignorant on this topic.

a reply to: gortex

Sounds like Putin watched The Dirty Dozen and was inspired...

originally posted by: turretless

Another pseudo-Russian news outlet.

Are you saying it is 100% false?

originally posted by: Cutepants

originally posted by: turretless
The West pays them, so they are not Russian, but Western media.

Keep in mind that Europe tolerated Russia Today, paid by the Russian government, until after Putin began his genocidal campaign. Because we value free speech.

Did Russia extend Western media the same courtesy? Did they tolerate true state-sponsored propaganda like Radio Free Europe, or even their own independent Russian media like Dozhd? The answer is no. Because Putin hates and fears free speech, after all he is a KGB man.

Once the West told the whole world that freedom of speech is very important.

But when Russian media appeared in the international information space, which presented the Russian point of view on events, it turned out that the careful attitude to freedom of speech in the West does not apply to them.

It turned out that Western freedom of speech is freedom of speech for the select media company (who express the Western point of view).

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: turretless

Another pseudo-Russian news outlet.

Are you saying it is 100% false?

I have already explained what exactly was the inaccuracy of the gortex information.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

Ukraine don’t have the tech, training or troops, Russia can almost wait them out at this point

This is basically what we been saying about Russia. Ukraine got the tech, very top of the line tech compared to Russia's 80s tech. We are also training the crap out of them and the longer this goes on the more trained they will be. I know of a number of schools in EU right now with Ukrainians in training. If this stalls out in the winter the Russians are going to get hit hard in the spring.

None of us are saying Ukraine will beat Russia, we are saying at what cost is Russia willing to go to win?

a reply to: gortex

And they will turn them on the Russian people if they try to overthrown Putin's regime, there is always another motive at play but He won't stop until he controls the entire Ukraine and a few other nations before cementing his hold on other breakaway republic's and nations including (And this rub's the Chinese up the wrong way so this may be a crook in there relationship) Kazakhstan whose main investor is China whom want to control the break away republic and whom have had a bit of a shock at Putin's re-russification of Kazakhstan and the fact he holds all the military cards already in that nation more or less despite the Chinese thinking it was coming under there own personal sphere of influence.

originally posted by: turretless


Did Russia extend Western media the same courtesy?

Watching it, they are pretty ridiculous. You can see they are only spewing information that the Goverment wants the public to believe while not allowing any other information to get to them. You and others talk about media in the US as to why we are all wrong, and very few here actually watch any as you think we are on CNN/FOX/MSN 24/7 getting all our information and I really don't think too many watch any of that here. The BIG difference is we still have ALL other media in the world too, unlike Russia that since forever have but big limits on what they want their population to see or hear.

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: Cutepants

originally posted by: turretless
The West pays them, so they are not Russian, but Western media.

Keep in mind that Europe tolerated Russia Today, paid by the Russian government, until after Putin began his genocidal campaign. Because we value free speech.

Did Russia extend Western media the same courtesy? Did they tolerate true state-sponsored propaganda like Radio Free Europe, or even their own independent Russian media like Dozhd? The answer is no. Because Putin hates and fears free speech, after all he is a KGB man.

Once the West told the whole world that freedom of speech is very important.

Actions are more important than words

a reply to: Xtrozero

Where is Ukraine, Europe going to get their fuel from, fairy dust?
Russia have already won, the West is just dragging it out, send in criminals and do to Kiev what Kiev did to the Donbas


As for the truth in media discussion
The Western media is as corrupt and criminal as the Russian media is.
The US government is setting up a misinformation programme as we speak, for their own people
The Western media pretend they are honest, Russia are under no illusions
Can’t believe people are defending western media when we are here on ats to get a balanced non msm view

originally posted by: Cutepants

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: Cutepants

originally posted by: turretless
The West pays them, so they are not Russian, but Western media.

Keep in mind that Europe tolerated Russia Today, paid by the Russian government, until after Putin began his genocidal campaign. Because we value free speech.

Did Russia extend Western media the same courtesy? Did they tolerate true state-sponsored propaganda like Radio Free Europe, or even their own independent Russian media like Dozhd? The answer is no. Because Putin hates and fears free speech, after all he is a KGB man.

Once the West told the whole world that freedom of speech is very important.

Actions are more important than words

So you trust msm?

a reply to: Xtrozero

I never wrote this sentence.

Canon fodder on the front lines, Russia gets rid of some undesirables at the same time. Win-Win.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Which msm? That's like asking do you trust media.