CERN full power

originally posted by: [post=26572558]KindraLabelle2
All the risks people talk about are way exaggerated and based on nothing. They smash atoms into each other. That's it. It will not create a black hole or start a big bang. There are much more riskier things going on in the science world right now as we speak.

It will however give us more insight in the nature of the Universe, the very fabric of the Universe and the laws that govern it, which is exactly what we need if we ever want to get off this planet (in case this one goes to hell)

I just want to confirm that you believe their agenda is one of pure innocence and are guided by principles that ensure that anything they find will be shared to the world and used to better humankind, not to be sold to the highest bidder (gov/mil)? Just want to make sure I'm understanding your view on this as much of what you write is pretty on point and this statement doesn't follow your previous ones.

a reply to: devilsadvocatetoday

Their agenda is science and a further understanding of the fundamental forces that drive our universe.

As to who will benefit from any information gleaned, CERN is run by 23 Member States that have responsibility for the all-important decisions.

First I want to state that my degree is not specifically in the field of particle physics, however I did have to take classes on physics and specifically interactions with electrons (which is a lepton) to get it.

Now, yes, it makes black holes in some collisions, however they "evaporate" almost immediately. Keep in mind you are talking about a black hole with the mass of two particles plus their energy. This can sometimes get up to the mass energy equilivance of a baseball in some of the more extreme experiments. However impressive that is, a baseball is not a massive gravitational filed, and this black hole is in a vacuum line with nothing to consume as it radiates energy and evaporates before causing any trouble. But what if it hit the tube and absorbed metal, or shot through it? It's not shooting through it, and if it collided with the tube it would consume more matter (only a few atoms) than it's capable of and create an interaction which is called a "burp" and destroy itself. The same is true for any antimater involved, its such a small amount. This is safe. A bit of a power hog, but safe.

a reply to: Jeremiah33three

The possibility of producing "Strangelets" or "Vacuum bubbles" is where the LHC doom porn landed if memory serves.

a reply to: andy06shake

How would that cause any dooms day conCERN?

a reply to: andy06shake

I'm the "Forrest Gump" of obscurity. I always seem to be in the right(wrong) place at the wrong (right) time. I've seen a lot of things that I shouldn't have and frankly, I should have died a hundred times. I was told once by a neurosurgeon that my brain fires in places never seen before. I always just figured that my experience and insight would serve our generation that survives our present dilemma. A renaissance man for the new birth, so to speak. Still waiting to find out what my true purpose is and I'm getting long in the tooth. I refuse to think by modern constraint and have always been told I'm a McGuyver. Most of the time it is not necessary for me to think out a process. The solution just pops in my head. The same with reading others' character. An example. You are an extremely nice person and inquisitive by nature without judgement. These are not generalities. This is a feeling I have from seeing your "name". I will not utter a single vowel unless I know it to be absolute Truth. But when I do speak, the philosophy I convey is multilateral. I have resigned myself to be irrelevant and unnoticed in the grand scheme. I am but a grain of sand on an endless beach. Much like the atom, I am unnoticed until I explode. I always wanted to write a book and call it: "What makes a Man tick", based on my life experience but Life has has other plans for me. Seriously. What I have seen on this Earth, some would consider impossible, yet inevitable. But I digress.
A pleasure conversing with you.

a reply to: Jeremiah33three

Chances are it would not because its just doomporn per say.

Hypothetically through, down to the nature of the Strangelets, and if ever produced, by converting normal matter into something altogether different.

As to Vacuum bubbles apparently there is a chance that if a black hole evaporates in the wrong sort of way, it could theoretically produce a "Vacuum bubble" which would expand outwards at the speed of light destroying all matter it comes into contact with.

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

I find it helps if you take emotion out if the equation and look at all meanings, not just the ones you find comfort in.
Terror is a very useful tool in the human psyche in relation to decision making. Embrace it and it will lead you on the right path.

a reply to: Elvicious1

Elvicious1 i just treat people how i find them.

Many moons ago i was probably what would be considered to be a true believer, came to ATS for all the conspiracy and mad 2012/Alien agenda, TR-3B palaver.

This day of age through im probably a bit more pragmatic requiring proof, evidence, and all that jazz.

You sound like an all right fellow mate, a pleasure conversing with you also.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: devilsadvocatetoday

Their agenda is science and a further understanding of the fundamental forces that drive our universe.

As to who will benefit from any information gleaned, CERN is run by 23 Member States that have responsibility for the all-important decisions.

Then why did they partake in the ceremony celebrating shiva? Guessing the lord of creation and destruction is somehow "science" and related to the fundamental forces that drive our universe?

originally posted by: devilsadvocatetoday

originally posted by: [post=26572558]KindraLabelle2
All the risks people talk about are way exaggerated and based on nothing. They smash atoms into each other. That's it. It will not create a black hole or start a big bang. There are much more riskier things going on in the science world right now as we speak.

It will however give us more insight in the nature of the Universe, the very fabric of the Universe and the laws that govern it, which is exactly what we need if we ever want to get off this planet (in case this one goes to hell)

I just want to confirm that you believe their agenda is one of pure innocence and are guided by principles that ensure that anything they find will be shared to the world and used to better humankind, not to be sold to the highest bidder (gov/mil)? Just want to make sure I'm understanding your view on this as much of what you write is pretty on point and this statement doesn't follow your previous ones.

No, I don't think it's innocent, just not the most dangerous thing they are doing. I'm not that worried about Cern. I was at the beginning, I thought hey would create a giant black hole that would swallow up Europe. But now I think the experiments they do are pretty safe.

There is a big difference between the people, the scientists who are doing the experiments, brilliant curious minds with a passion for what they do! (I wish I could stand there with them and observe everything from close by!)
and
The men who finance the whole thing, who really don't know much about how it is all done and probably each have an own agenda... The agenda does not fascinate me, the science does.

But like I said ,there are other things that worry me more.
Did you know they succeeded in creating a miniature Sun using nuclear fusion? We created a star on Earth that existed for 5 seconds! In theory this could provide us with 'free' unlimited energy, but the risks involved.... This is the stuff from my nightmares, not atom-smashing

a reply to: andy06shake

But that would just be a tiny gravity wave, nothing more.

a reply to: devilsadvocatetoday

then why did they partake in the ceremony celebrating shiva?

Coz they are all really devil worshipers trying to deceive you and are coming to eat your baby's so they can power there star-gate aka LHC with the power of evil.

I mean that's what you want to hear is it not?

Guessing the lord of creation and destruction is somehow "science" and related to the fundamental forces that drive our universe?

The ceremonial aspects are apparent, humans do these things you see.

Your answering your own question with the creation and destruction part and similarity where the Hindu god Shiva is concerned.

a reply to: Jeremiah33three



It's not me you have to convince mate.

What would be a tiny gravity wave all the same?

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Question

This is what I understand they are doing . Smashing particles together to see smaller particles what particles are they choosing and why . Will they ever get to the end where there is nothing but the point of particle singularity . Wouldn't the particles become so small that they are undetectable therefore never able to reach their goal never able to see the other side of the singularity ?

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
Question

This is what I understand they are doing . Smashing particles together to see smaller particles what particles are they choosing and why . Will they ever get to the end where there is nothing but the point of particle singularity . Wouldn't the particles become so small that they are undetectable therefore never able to reach their goal never able to see the other side of the singularity ?

Yeah. Basically they smash particles together and learn from the behavior of the parts how they are made and what the parts are. Getting to the most basic component is the uliltimate goal here. What is the universe made of? I personally like string theory, but it does have some issues.

Blackhole sun.. won't you come...

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

I understand your point, but your facts are a bit skewed.

Semi-conductors : In 1901, the very first semiconductor device, called "cat whiskers," was patented. The device was invented by Jagadis Chandra Bose. Cat whiskers was a point-contact semiconductor rectifier used for detecting radio waves.

CPU Processor : The Intel 4004 was the world's first microprocessor—a complete general-purpose CPU on a single chip. Released in March 1971, and using cutting-edge silicon-gate technology, the 4004 marked the beginning of Intel's rise to global dominance in the processor industry.

^^ Not much has changed since then. Aside from smaller manufacturing process, which allots for more computing power with less input power to run the device. (this is why computers used to take up entire rooms, and now you have a cellphone in your hand) This has nothing to do with CERN or quantum mechanics.

Quarks, gluons, strange matter. CERN is all about finding the primordial pieces that make up the universe. They are basically smashing our physical world around us, into the smallest little pieces it can. In order to see "what" everything is made of. IT really has nothing to do with a gaming computer. Which is the point of this post.

Once they fill it with black mercury, I'll get concerned

a reply to: Triton1128

You're right, what I said in that post is was not very accurate... or way to futuristic view. People got the point I was trying to make though (or at least I hope they did)

Thanks for the info in your reply

I'm feeling to exhausted tonight to discuss the whole CERN topic more or modern day conductors! but not going to,just making the time to reply back to everyone. Maybe tomorrow