Can the power of prayer save an innocent child?

No, because gods aren't real. At absolute best, prayer and belief is just placebo, but not in this heart-breaking example.

www.bbc.co.uk...

originally posted by: TerraLiga
No, because gods aren't real. At absolute best, prayer and belief is just placebo, but not in this heart-breaking example.

www.bbc.co.uk...

You can call me to ask to borrow money, if I don't return your calls does this prove that I don't exist, or just that I've decided not to borrow you some cash.

You cannot demonstrate a trend based on a case study. Basic rule when doing research.

If you think about it, I would imagine the majority of sick children that have died were prayed for beforehand.

So yes, the answer is no imo too.

originally posted by: TerraLiga
No, because gods aren't real. At absolute best, prayer and belief is just placebo, but not in this heart-breaking example.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Belief in God and the power of prayer are very real to me. You should try it some time. I have heard it said that there are no atheists in fox holes. Like most thing in life, when the chips are down you think not with your head, but with your heart.

a reply to: TerraLiga

It's a sad story indeed but not uncommon , this case is worse than some as the victim of their misguided belief was a child who had no say in the decision taken , her family had a duty of care which they ignored resulting in avoidable death of this young girl.

Authorities weren't called until a day after the child died.

I hope charges are brought and sentences handed down , religious belief is no excuse for parental neglect.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

This analogy makes no logical sense to counter the argument. If I'm calling you to borrow money I would at least know you, but more likely to have met with you, and we're likely to be friends or acquaintances. In other words, I would have physical proof you exist.

I read the article earlier today. Heartbreaking and unbelievable stupid of the family.
I believe in the power of prayer, I have prayed many a times for my daughter who has a chronic illness.
My prayers usually involve asking God to make it easy on her. Many family and friends have prayed for her to be healed. I appreciate all prays but know that it’s impossible for her to be healed. Their daughter had a medical condition that can’t be cured by prayers, and by them refusing to get treatment and by praying for her to be healed is ridiculous.

I hope they get what they deserve

Rest In Peace little angel

originally posted by: TerraLiga
No, because gods aren't real. At absolute best, prayer and belief is just placebo, but not in this heart-breaking example.

www.bbc.co.uk...

I am agnostic. I am not a atheist but i dont follow any doctrine (Unlike our progressive's) I dont believe in the theology but will say that no one know if there is or there is not a god or multiple. This is a opinion piece.No one can proof it either way so your claim has no more validity as the opinion opposed to yours. not one bit.

Love and care is what can safe children or any human. Prayers are there to comfort and reinforce people.

a reply to: Nickn3

I went to a religious school. I can personally guarantee to you there are no gods.

I have witnessed many miracles direct from God. God saved my life several times when death was imminent.

Prayer CAN do practically anything. It doesn't mean that everything that happens will be perfect. We live in a valley of thorns and very bad things happen ALL THE TIME.

God is very real, knows your every thought and prayer. Stay faithful through good and bad.

People who refuse their own child's medical treatment are being total zealots when they are forcing the issue on God instead of utilizing the doctors and medical care that exists for a reason. What these parents have done does NOT reflect on God, it reflects poorly on them.

originally posted by: TerraLiga
a reply to: Nickn3

I went to a religious school. I can personally guarantee to you there are no gods.

I can personally guarantee you that I have witnessed, what to me were miracles. We’re they generated by God? That is my belief. It seems much more logical than random chance.

originally posted by: TerraLiga
a reply to: Nickn3

I went to a religious school. I can personally guarantee to you there are no gods.

And you are... who?

originally posted by: TerraLiga
a reply to: AaarghZombies

This analogy makes no logical sense to counter the argument. If I'm calling you to borrow money I would at least know you, but more likely to have met with you, and we're likely to be friends or acquaintances. In other words, I would have physical proof you exist.

You almost see it!
Even if you knew AaarghZombies existed, you would have some trouble proving it to others if they didn't know him.

What's terrible are the religions that tell you if your prayer didn't work, it's because your faith was not strong enough, or God is angry with you.

a reply to: TerraLiga

When the air liner crashes, the dead died with a prayer on their lips.

Still, I pray to my higher power every day. Old habits, die hard....

a reply to: Nickn3

I believe you thought they were miracles, but they were not.

At some point you'll have to ask yourself why any god would grant your wishes against anyone else more worthy and more devout. Why you? Why not an entirely innocent seven year-old girl? Why not a faithful daily servant of your god? Why not a lost soul who needs a light to get back on their path?

Why you?

originally posted by: TerraLiga
a reply to: Nickn3

I believe you thought they were miracles, but they were not.

At some point you'll have to ask yourself why any god would grant your wishes against anyone else more worthy and more devout. Why you? Why not an entirely innocent seven year-old girl? Why not a faithful daily servant of your god? Why not a lost soul who needs a light to get back on their path?

Why you?

It's call psychosis.

a reply to: TerraLiga

If you pray for one to get better, aren't you also affirming the state one is in?

By asking for something not to be is accepting the fact that you can't change it. It's actually enforcing the thing you would like to change.

Prayer is a slippery slope

originally posted by: Nickn3

originally posted by: TerraLiga
a reply to: Nickn3

I went to a religious school. I can personally guarantee to you there are no gods.

I can personally guarantee you that I have witnessed, what to me were miracles. We’re they generated by God? That is my belief. It seems much more logical than random chance.

Yeah but tarraliga went to a religious school! Smh.....

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe

originally posted by: TerraLiga
a reply to: Nickn3

I believe you thought they were miracles, but they were not.

At some point you'll have to ask yourself why any god would grant your wishes against anyone else more worthy and more devout. Why you? Why not an entirely innocent seven year-old girl? Why not a faithful daily servant of your god? Why not a lost soul who needs a light to get back on their path?

Why you?

It's call psychosis.

It's call psychosis?