UFO crashes

in total has anyone stopped to add up the total amount or assumed amount of reported UFO crashes ?

I keep hearing story's of a crash here a crash there Government seizes site military carry's away evidence on flat bed ..

Whats the actual number of crash reports ?

Why are aliens such bad drivers ? Wheres all reversed tech ?

Aliens would not rely on fossil fuel or the primitive radar or guidance systems we have today .

If so many crashes there would be Alien body's everywhere even crashes that people got to before any Government and evidence would be plenty .

I want to buy it but not sold .

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
in total has anyone stopped to add up the total amount or assumed amount of reported UFO crashes ?

I keep hearing story's of a crash here a crash there Government seizes site military carry's away evidence on flat bed ..

Whats the actual number of crash reports ?

Why are aliens such bad drivers ? Wheres all reversed tech ?

Aliens would not rely on fossil fuel or the primitive radar or guidance systems we have today .

If so many crashes there would be Alien body's everywhere even crashes that people got to before any Government and evidence would be plenty .

I want to buy it but not sold .

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE

www.v-j-enterprises.com...

The following is a preliminary list of UFO crashes throughout the world. Currently, little is known about most of these crashes. However, we are making an effort to post any information that we come across from newsgroups to eyewitness reports.
Most physical evidence of these crashes have been confiscated by the government; however, not all evidence is in their possession. In the past, the government's central archive of UFO wreckage was Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio. It has been reported that most of the alien bodies have been sent to Great Britian for storage and examination.

1939-46 Spitzenbergen, NORWAY ?
4 July 1947 Roswell, NEW MEXICO 4 Bodies
13 Feb 1948 Aztec, NEW MEXICO 12 Bodies
7 July 1948 MEXICO So.of LAREDO TX 1 Body
1949 Roswell, NEW MEXICO 1 ET Living
1952 Spitzenbergen, NORWAY 2 Bodies
14 Aug 1952 Ely, NEVADA 16 Bodies
10 Sep 1950 Albuquerque, NEW MEXICO 3 Bodies
18 Apr 1953 S.W. ARIZONA No Bodies
20 May 1953 Kingman, ARIZONA 1 Body
19 June 1953 Laredo, TEXAS 4 Bodies
10 July 1953 Johofnisburg S.AFRICA 5 Bodies
13 Oct 1953 Dutton, MONTANA 4 Bodies
5 May 1955 Brighton, ENGLAND 4 Bodies
18 July 1957 Carlsbad, NEW MEXICO 4 Bodies
1961 Timmensdorfer, GERMANY 12 Bodies
12 June 1962 Holloman AFB, NEW MEXICO 2 Bodies
10 Nov 1964 Ft.Riley, KANSAS 9 Bodies
27 Oct 1966 N.W. ARIZONA 1 Body
1966-1968 5 CRASHES IN/KY/OH AREA 3 Bodies
Disk Intact
18 July 1972 MORROCO SAHARA DESERT 3 Bodies
10 July 1973 NW ARIZONA 5 Bodies
25 Aug 1974 CHIHUAHUA MEXICO ? Bodies
Disk Intact
12 May 1976 AUSTRALIAN DESERT 4 Bodies
22 June 1977 NW ARIZONA 5 Bodies
5 Apr 1977 SW OHIO 11 Bodies
17 Aug 1977 TOBASCO MEXICO 2 Bodies
May 1978 BOLIVIA No Bodies
Nov 1988 AFGHANISTAN 7 Bodies
May 1989 SOUTH AFRICA 2 ET Living
June 1989 SOUTH AFRICA 2 ET
Disk Intact
July 1989 SIBERIA 9 ET Living
2 Sept 1990 Megas Platanos, GREECE ?
Nov 1992 Long Island NY, NEW YORK ?

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

You make some excellent points, Ravenwatcher. By some accounts there have been dozens of crashes (more than 70) but no evidence left behind. Even declassified government reports on the UFO phenomenon from the 1950s and 1960s lament the lack of recovered wreckage.

UFO researchers have repeatedly claimed that these alleged crash sites were sanitized, but that seems extraordinarily unlikely. They never really clean up every trace. Pioneering forensic scientist Edmond Locard (1877-1966) once wrote, "Physical evidence cannot be wrong, it cannot perjure itself, it cannot be wholly absent. Only human failure to find it, study and understand it, can diminish its value."

If an extraterrestrial craft crashed on Earth, there should be physical evidence remaining at the crash site, even after any sort of recover team cleaned it up. One need only look at historical incidents that are virtually indistinguishable from UFO crash retrievals as they have been described.

There is nothing more secret than unacknowledged special access programs (SAPs, also known as "black" projects). Only personnel with a need-to-know are briefed in. In UFOlogy, conventional wisdom dictates that the crash of an extraterrestrial craft would be treated similarly to the crash of an unacknowledged SAP. Additionally, there is no more unambiguous directive than, "Clean up every trace." That order has been given for many SAP crash-retrievals (A-12, F-117A, D-21B, etc.), and presumably would also apply to a UFO crash.

Why is this important? Simply put, we can study historical government crash retrievals of stealth aircraft and spy planes and compare them to UFO crash retrieval stories. Interestingly, many UFO crash retrieval stories have a lot of elements in common with stories of “black” project crash recoveries:

1. The vehicle/object crashed on public or private land in relatively close proximity to a population center (city, town or rural community).

2. Civilian witnesses either saw the object crash or came across wreckage at the impact site.

3. Government/military personnel secured the crash site and kept unauthorized personnel away for as long as necessary to retrieve the debris.

4. Civilian witnesses were warned not to speak of what they saw. Unauthorized photos/film were confiscated.

5. Because of the Top Secret nature of the debris, recovery crews were ordered to give clean-up top priority.

Crash events involving SAP vehicles from Area 51 and other classified facilities share these characteristics in every detail. Yet identifiable debris still remains at these sites despite the government having had complete control of the scene and virtually limitless resources to effect the cleanup.

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher

Why are aliens such bad drivers ?

You'd think they'd be smart enough to test this out first before just flying in, but anyways this is something I've wondered about before....

Maybe they're not prepared for our atmosphere and/or gravity. Maybe one(or more) of the gases in our air sometimes screws up their engines(?), but by the time they realize it it's too late.

I don't know.... just a thought.

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

Aliens would not rely on fossil fuel or the primitive radar or guidance systems we have today

Aliens are Super Woke and they have their own versions of Al Gore and Greta. Their Leftist Leaders have convinced them to use Lithium batteries instead of Gas to run their ships, but they haven't solved the exploding battery problems which is reason for the Crashes.

They are not invincible or flawless because after all, they're just a product of advanced technology. More advanced than ours yes, but not totally immune to disasters.

Even our modern planes crash from time to time.. even thou it is rare it does happen because the huge number of flights..
Then you say you cannot compare to a spaceship, but I do, if "they" have been visiting us science the age of time, million and millions of times and in huge numbers unknown to us, perhaps those crashes are not "many" ?
Someone theorist that it was human radar that disrupted their systems, or perhaps they are not as godlike as we want them to be.

oops

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

Why are aliens such bad drivers ?

There have been 34 crashes in 53 years, which works out to 1.5 crashes a year. As often as they're spotted around the world, I'd say that some pretty good flying.

We disintegrated two Space Shuttles (one on launch) and nearly lost Apollo 13. And we've smacked at least one probe into Mars.

If alien craft have crashed here, we're in no position to criticize their flying.

a reply to: putnam6

I find it hard to believe that many crashes have occurred. A couple maybe, but not dozens. We have vehicles on mars, have landed on asteroids and the moon successfully. These craft are far more advanced than ours, but they keep crashing?

a reply to: Backagain

Those are very good points. Also, if there had been even one or a few crashes, there should be physical evidence remaining at the scene, yet we apparently have none. It makes no sense.

If they were prone to crashing, they would of smacked into a plane or something by now while moving at estimated crazy speeds. Yet, they seem to just out manuver or seemingly avoid em.

There is probably more then one ufo, especially if they are of differing origins. Not one to get into video footage, but there was one video of an orb being chased by another orb, or zapped by it at least. I even recall one story on this forum where a white orb got struck by a missle or something an made a large boom knocking it out for a while. It eventually lifted off, but what hit was orange.

Not of the opinion that they are of extra terrestrial, and if they were, they seem to take the idea of a prime directive rather seriously if they crash an just disintegrate with little proof of it impacting.

How did Batman put it, mather cannot be created or destroyed, just changes form. Or where there smoke there fire.

Interesting thread. Gives you a lot of data to research. I wonder how many of there really happened.

A more recent one in Pentyrch village South Wales 2016. Although was said to be shot down.

The whole thing I think a lot of people don't think of neccesarily on this topic is perhaps some or a lot of them have been shot down? Maybe they used to shoot them down but don't anymore too. The battle of LA springs to mind.

The US Military, couldn't even retrieve one of their own stealth bombers from Serbia when it was shot down. So I doubt multiple UFO crashes could be concealed so well over so long a period of time. The anatomy of such a cover-up would involve too many people across multiple administrations and generations in many countries for something not to leak out.

The problem with ufology is it relies on superficiality to maintain the "ET hypothesis". Because when you actually dig for details there's very often little more than a story.

Has anyone actually tried to verify this list of alleged crashes? It's been copy and pasted across the internet for decades. But people aren't inquisitive enough to actually check if there is actually any truth to these stories?

I've done a cursory search on this list, and the results aren't particularly impressive. Most of them lack substantial evidence.

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1939-46 Spitzenbergen, NORWAY ?

Based around rumours spread by Dorothy Killgallen. Total hearsay

4 July 1947 Roswell, NEW MEXICO 4 Bodies

Probably familiar to everyone. Almost certainly a Mogul balloon or remnants of a test flight. Jesse Marcel never claimed bodies were recovered. But people probably have their minds made up on this one.

13 Feb 1948 Aztec, NEW MEXICO 12 Bodies -
Hoax created by Silas Newton and Leo A. Gebauer. en.wikipedia.org...

7 July 1948 MEXICO So.of LAREDO TX 1 Body

The Tomato Man case totally discredited due to many factual errors.
www.thinkaboutitdocs.com...

1949 Roswell, NEW MEXICO 1 ET Living
No real evidence of a crash, never mind recovery of ET.
kevinrandle.blogspot.com...

1952 Spitzenbergen, NORWAY 2 Bodies
Possibly a planted story by USSR???
mysteriousuniverse.org...


14 Aug 1952 Ely, NEVADA 16 Bodies
Unknown origins, but investigations locally produced nothing of note to indicate any crash of anything.
thetruthbehind.tv...

10 Sep 1950 Albuquerque, NEW MEXICO 3 Bodies
???? Unable to trace source

18 Apr 1953 S.W. ARIZONA No Bodies
???? Unable to trace source

20 May 1953 Kingman, ARIZONA 1 Body
Testimony relies on a single witness, Arthur Stansel. Nick Redfern thinks this was actually the result of atomic testing (Upshot-Knothole). mysteriousuniverse.org...

10 July 1953 Johannesburg S.AFRICA 5 Bodies
Always on this list when repeated across the web. But there is scant information available.


13 Oct 1953 Dutton, MONTANA 4 Bodies.
Allegedly 7ft. tall Nordics were found. "Lacks contemporaneous documentation. Hoax or confused memory of an actual plane crash"
intcat.blogspot.com...

5 May 1955 Brighton, ENGLAND 4 Bodies
Hoax - ufologie.patrickgross.org...

18 July 1957 Carlsbad, NEW MEXICO 4 Bodies
???? Unable to trace source

1961 Timmensdorfer, GERMANY 12 Bodies
Single source - Bob Dean who allegedly saw a secret NATO file of a disc/bodies recovered on the German border.
ufologie.patrickgross.org...

12 June 1962 Holloman AFB, NEW MEXICO 2 Bodies
???? Unable to trace source

10 Nov 1964 Ft.Riley, KANSAS 9 Bodies
??? Unable to trace source

27 Oct 1966 N.W. ARIZONA 1 Body
??? Unable to trace source

1966-1968 5 CRASHES IN/KY/OH AREA 3 Bodies
Disk Intact
???? How long did this crash take? Two or three years?

18 July 1972 MORROCO SAHARA DESERT 3 Bodies
??? Unable to trace source

10 July 1973 NW ARIZONA 5 Bodies
??? Unable to trace source

25 Aug 1974 CHIHUAHUA MEXICO ? Bodies
Disk Intact. Probaby a Hoax.

web.archive.org...


12 May 1976 AUSTRALIAN DESERT 4 Bodies
??? Unable to trace source

22 June 1977 NW ARIZONA 5 Bodies
??? Unable to trace source

5 Apr 1977 SW OHIO 11 Bodies
??? Unable to trace source

17 Aug 1977 TOBASCO MEXICO 2 Bodies
??? Unable to trace source

May 1978 BOLIVIA No Bodies
"Search team found nothing"
ufologie.patrickgross.org...

Nov 1988 AFGHANISTAN 7 Bodies
??? Unable to trace source

May 1989 SOUTH AFRICA 2 ET Living
James Van Greunen, as the originator of an extremely
elaborate hoax web.archive.org...

June 1989 SOUTH AFRICA 2 ET
Disk Intact

See above (same story but dates confused)

July 1989 SIBERIA 9 ET Living
??? Unable to trace source

2 Sept 1990 Megas Platanos, GREECE ?
Something crashed. Claimed to be space junk by authorities.
www.thinkaboutitdocs.com...

Nov 1992 Long Island NY, NEW YORK ?
This is a rip roaring story that took on a life of its own.
www.ufoinsight.com...

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

I have no idea whether any of the reported crashes were of "UFO's" (whatever they are) but if you consider that many reported UFO's exhibit characteristics that are not explainable in terms of our current understanding (let's call it magic) then is it such a stretch to believe that same magic can be responsible for there being no traces ?

For an alternative theory where something was purportedly recovered the Roswell incident was once RV'd by a prominent proponent with the conclusion that it was a deliberate crash - purpose unknown (kickstarting disclosure - passing on technology - something to do with righting a time travel paradox, who knows).

Also if of the IDH camp then no other explanation is really needed for there being no trace, it simply returned to it's origin.

As others - just thoughts.

My own view is that if anyone remotely interested in the phenomenon who has done any kind of research remains of the opinion that the high majority of genuine UFO reports (genuine in the sense that no potential prosaic explanation) are of physical craft of an advanced technology travelling here from outer space then they must have approached the subject with a pre-ordained belief.

That said if the appearance then of a UFO is purely as a show for the observer then so is the crash observed - for whatever purpose.

a reply to: putnam6

Thi nk there was at leat one recovery in Wales just to busy at work right now to investigate and will update thread later

With the percentage of suspected crashes or known crashes would also indicate that there should be a percentage of unknown crashes that someone would stumble across .