Clear evidence for Noah's Ark

a reply to: LABTECH767
If you replace galactic peace keeper with almighty god and this almighty god was supposedly caring for this race, none of what you described would have happened.

So it didn't happen or god really wasn't caring for this race, which would mean he would have no reason to care what was going on and no reason to revert it.

a reply to: daskakik

Read it again and think this time, God LOVES you which is why you exist, we all have a rocky road down here but it does not give us the right to blame GOD for our own failings or to see what we perceive as an injustice and blame him for it, read it again and think please.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
Read it again and think this time, God LOVES you which is why you exist, we all have a rocky road down here but it does not give us the right to blame GOD for our own failings or to see what we perceive as an injustice and blame him for it, read it again and think please.

This is just more of the same.

God loved the human race yet allowed the fallen angels to do what they did. I'm not the one making that argument, you are.

If he had loved them and was caring for them he wouldn't have allowed that to happen.

You can't have it both ways.

Sorry I have deleted this as it was completely off topic and contained a lot of personal information though I was arguing a point, we are all victims of injustice but that is a matter for another thread, we either choose to blame God or wait on his justice and HOPE in God knowing full well this world is rotten.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: LABTECH767
Read it again and think this time, God LOVES you which is why you exist, we all have a rocky road down here but it does not give us the right to blame GOD for our own failings or to see what we perceive as an injustice and blame him for it, read it again and think please.

This is just more of the same.

God loved the human race yet allowed the fallen angels to do what they did. I'm not the one making that argument, you are.

If he had loved them and was caring for them he wouldn't have allowed that to happen.

You can't have it both ways.

He stopped it didn't He?

originally posted by: LABTECH767
Sorry I have deleted this as it was completely off topic and contained a lot of personal information though I was arguing a point, we are all victims of injustice but that is a matter for another thread, we either choose to blame God or wait on his justice and HOPE in God knowing full well this world is rotten.

or blame russia.

He sent His son.

i love how people judge God.
no wonder the world is rotten.

people think they can do better, don't they?

liberal new world order, vaccines, climate change, energy.

money changers are still around.

gmo's. name it.

a reply to: LABTECH767
I appreciate and understand your analogy.

Do you believe the god of the Old Testament was indeed YHWH?
Was the god of the New Testament YHWH?

YHWH, as you will know, was one of the 70 or so Levantine gods...nothing special, just a storm god, who increased his sphere of influence and ousted the other gods from their places of worship. I believe YHWH was a physical being...maybe he was alien to the planet...he was big and he was powerful beyond anything humanity had.

There are so many stories from so many cultures which, to me, all point to the same origin of mankind. I cannot and will not ever believe in the god of the bible as some supernatural, all-seeing, omniscient being who created everything in existence. He walked in the Garden of Eden, enjoying the evening breeze, looking for and calling out for Adam...why, if he was omniscient? Adam even heard his footsteps.

Nobody is coming to save us, we are who we are and if there ever was a creator/manipulator of mankind, he has gone elsewhere.

originally posted by: sarahvital
He stopped it didn't He?

He also allowed it up to that point, didn't he?

originally posted by: LABTECH767
...we either choose to blame God or wait on his justice and HOPE in God knowing full well this world is rotten.

My argument isn't about personal trials and tribulations, it is about the logical flaw in your argument.

If god was actually caring for the world back then, none of what you described would have happened.

originally posted by: daskakik

This is just more of the same.

God loved the human race yet allowed the fallen angels to do what they did. I'm not the one making that argument, you are.

If he had loved them and was caring for them he wouldn't have allowed that to happen.

You can't have it both ways.

The people accepted the fallen angels with open arms. They impregnated the women, and taught civilization all sorts of technological advancement that would inevitably lead to a carcinogenic race of totalitarian hybrids ruling the earth. Would you want God to interfere with the free will of all creation? That's not how it's supposed to work. Without free will we are just automatons.

I assume you don't want to be an automaton, yet you critique God for not making everyone an automaton.

originally posted by: LABTECH767

Yes, as in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of the son of Man.

But other than GIANT corporations consuming our world today, people's lives etc the bible prophecy should be taken literally, as in the days of Noah, the spawn of fallen beings (alien hybrids and giant's) walking in the earth, corrupt rulers that may not be completely human and a corrupt society with no morality left.

We certainly are headed along that path toward those times and indeed are very far along it with our current age being the closest yet to the world that Noah knew before the flood.

I think you're right. Just like the people in the OT accepted the fallen angels with open arms, the beings that emerge during the Revelation end times will also be accepted with open arms by the vast majority.

I wondered that it may be some sort of project Blue Beam style event where 'aliens' come and start to openly control the global scene. But in actuality they would be demons ushering in the fulfillment of Revelation and the end of the world as we know it, while a majority of people would praise them for all their powers and technological prowess. I have also wondered if they're already among us, subvertly orchestrating global endeavors for totalitarian control

originally posted by: cooperton
I assume you don't want to be an automaton, yet you critique God for not making everyone an automaton.

That is a weak excuse.

God didn't need to make humans automatons, he just had to keep the fallen angels away from earth.

You know like a normal loving parent might react if someone kinda creepy is hanging around their home, school or playground.

originally posted by: daskakik
That is a weak excuse.

God didn't need to make humans automatons, he just had to keep the fallen angels away from earth.

You know like a normal loving parent might react if someone kinda creepy is hanging around their home, school or playground.

Nah it'd be more like a parent not letting their daughter date the stud highschool quarterback. The fallen were renowned among all humankind, very enviable apparently. As with all prideful entities though, corruption and destruction quickly follows.

Regardless, it was the people's free will to accept the fallen among them. If free will exists there will be reward or consequences for actions. I don't know why you refuse to accept that, and instead wish to blame everything on God.

originally posted by: cooperton
Nah it'd be more like a parent not letting their daughter date the stud highschool quarterback.

That still wouldn't make their daughter an automaton.

See, I told you your argument was weak.

originally posted by: daskakik

That still wouldn't make their daughter an automaton.

See, I told you your argument was weak.

God left humans in charge of the planet. You're trying to blame God for the just consequences that come to people for their own actions.

originally posted by: cooperton
It would be interfering with free will

And killing all those people for using their free will isn't interfering with free will?

Hey, you have free will, as long as you do what I say or I'll kill you. Sounds legit.

God left humans in charge of the planet.

Seems to me he left the fallen angels in charge of the planet. Pretty sure your good book even says that same thing.

ETA: By the way, I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just pointing out the contradiction in your argument.

originally posted by: daskakik

And killing all those people for using their free will isn't interfering with free will?

Hey, you have free will, as long as you do what I say or I'll kill you. Sounds legit.

It says why He did it in the Bible. The other cultural accounts of the global flood also agree with the reasoning. Humankind had gotten to the point of global destruction, so God saved a remnant of righteous people to re-populate the planet.

Would you prefer he had let the cancer totally consume and destroy the earth?

When God intercedes you say He's being an unjust control freak, and when he let's people go you say he doesn't care. You'd criticize anything He would do.

Seems to me he left the fallen angels in charge of the planet. Pretty sure your good book even says that same thing.

“Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth”

When the fallen rebelled they usurped positions of power. I think a part that goes untouched is that the people mostly accepted the fallen due to their phenomenal attributes. So it was a two way street, the people accepted them, and therefore gave away their dominion. This is the consequence of all idolatry, humans give their God-given power away due to putting something else on a pedestal.

originally posted by: cooperton
The other cultural accounts of the global flood also agree with the reasoning.

What other accounts if only Noah and his family survived?

“Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth”

Yeah, but, apparently, the fallen angels had dominion over mankind.

I'm sure you can think of a couple verses where it is said that satan rules the earth and that christians are waiting for the time when his rule will end.

originally posted by: daskakik

What other accounts if only Noah and his family survived?

Yeah, but, apparently, the fallen angels had dominion over mankind.

I'm sure you can think of a couple verses where it is said that satan rules the earth and that christians are waiting for the time when his rule will end.

Satan is called the prince of this world because he is 2nd in rule. If you look at the temptations of Christ it is clear that the King ultimately is God. Satan only rules because people put God on the back-burner... People choose Satan over God, whether consciously or subconsciously and therefore give him power. When Jesus's disciples began doing God's will it was said that Satan fell like lightning from his rule.

a reply to: cooperton
You do realize that those stories contradict the bibical one? You can't have it both ways.

Pretty sure satan could only rule if god allows it.

Right, satan fell from his rule because 12 guys did god's will. Not their own will, but god's.

So unless you do god's will, not your own "free" will, you are good with god otherwise satan rules and you will be killed. If that is how you like it, more power to you.