Golf World Shake Up - Trumps Revenge?

It’s about to hit the fan for the PGA Tour, and maybe a little revenge for Trump

So, the PGA tour is getting a pretty good shaking right now. Players, big players, are leaving the tour, for bigger paychecks, while the PGA threatens Banning players for playing in a competing golf league, Saudi Arabia’s LIV Golf (LIV = roman numerals 54) Wiki

Phill Mickeslon and Dustin Johnson are two big names that choose to play in the LIV League.

PGA Tour Commissioner Jay Monahan has promised that any tour member who competes in an event on the rival league would face suspension from the PGA Tour and possibly a lifetime ban. Golf Digest

This video will give a picture of whats going on and what the PGA Tour has been doing to their players, and why they are leaving.

Basically Players are wanting to play in the much more lucrative LIV events but the PGA Tour say if they do they will be banned from their events.

Trumps Revenge?
Looks like Trumps fingers prints are all over this.

Greg Norman is the CEO of LIV Golf. Norman known as the Shark is from Australia and Endorsed Trump in 2020.
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Trump and The Shark have been talking about using Trumps golf courses for tournaments. Trump has an ax to grind with the PGA for taking one of their main events from one of his courses, the Doral Course know as the Blue Monster. They also pulled the PGA championships, one of golf Majors after January 6 shenanigans.

Such a deal would also provide a measure of revenge for Trump against the PGA Tour, an organization that he courted for years but that later enraged him when politics came between them. While Trump campaigned in the summer of 2016, the PGA Tour announced it was yanking its elite World Golf Championship tournament from Doral and moving it to Mexico City. Trump also lost the PGA championship from his course in New Jersey last year, as the organization pulled its event days after the Jan. 6 insurrection by a pro-Trump mob at the U.S. Capitol.

Trump properties in talks to host lucrative Saudi golf events

The golf world is talking all about this right now, many are worried their favorite players are selling out for Saudi “blood money”. Yet the PGA has its own dark history to account for.

I’m all for players having freedom to choose. The PGA Tour has had too much power for too long, and I’m okay if they have to do some soul searching if they want to remain relevant.

No one gets banned until they tees off in one of the LIV events. First event is this week, so lets see what the PGA Tour will do.

a reply to: Observationalist

At least the pga gives money to charity and is a non-profit . The saudis were responsible for 911. No offense because I hate the pga but the Saudi’s are 1000x worse .

originally posted by: Dontlietome
a reply to: Observationalist

At least the pga gives money to charity and is a non-profit . The saudis were responsible for 911. No offense because I hate the pga but the Saudi’s are 1000x worse .

That's one belief that some think is credible; others have weighed the known facts and have a different belief.

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: Dontlietome
a reply to: Observationalist

At least the pga gives money to charity and is a non-profit . The saudis were responsible for 911. No offense because I hate the pga but the Saudi’s are 1000x worse .

That's one belief that some think is credible; others have weighed the known facts and have a different belief.

I’ve been reading your beliefs bud . I’ve learned nothing since 2011 from you . Please enlighten me where I’m wrong here . Excuse my ignorance but what are the known facts ?

originally posted by: Dontlietome

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: Dontlietome
a reply to: Observationalist

At least the pga gives money to charity and is a non-profit . The saudis were responsible for 911. No offense because I hate the pga but the Saudi’s are 1000x worse .

That's one belief that some think is credible; others have weighed the known facts and have a different belief.

I’ve been reading your beliefs bud . I’ve learned nothing since 2011 from you . Please enlighten me where I’m wrong here . Excuse my ignorance but what are the known facts ?

Not saying you're wrong, just that others have beliefs that differ from yours, Ma'am. There's no way a Jane Doe such as yourself can say for a certainty that 911 was perpetrated by Saudi's. There is enough evidence to the contrary to suggest otherwise, and you can find many threads on the subject if you're open-minded enough to consider all the information.

Friedrich Nietzsche said:
"The snake that cannot cast its skin perishes. So too with those minds which are prevented from changing their views: they cease to be minds."

I created a new ATS user account in 2011 after loosing my original password. I began following ATS back in 1999.

originally posted by: Dontlietome
a reply to: Observationalist

At least the pga gives money to charity and is a non-profit . The saudis were responsible for 911. No offense because I hate the pga but the Saudi’s are 1000x worse .

This doesn’t have to be a battle of one country sins versus another. However, It is the obvious take.

It’s also about the controlling nature of the PGA Tour, a non-profit that won’t allow players to pursue other options. This charitable non-profit has turned very authoritarian and seems very insecure about there revenue stream.

originally posted by: Observationalist

originally posted by: Dontlietome
a reply to: Observationalist

At least the pga gives money to charity and is a non-profit . The saudis were responsible for 911. No offense because I hate the pga but the Saudi’s are 1000x worse .

This doesn’t have to be a battle of one country sins versus another. However, It is the obvious take.

It’s also about the controlling nature of the PGA Tour, a non-profit that won’t allow players to pursue other options. This charitable non-profit has turned very authoritarian and seems very insecure about there revenue stream.

Well we’re going to find out . Phil Mickelson just said he’s playing in the Liv tournament this weekend and plans on playing in the US open and no one has told him he can’t . I brought up the pga giving money to charity because it wasn’t talked about by you or your video and I thought it was relevant. They don’t give a ton of their money away but I think they are maybe just a tad nobler than the Saudi Elite . The pga is authoritarian? Or the Saudi Elite ? Are you for real ?

a reply to: Observationalist

I’m all for players having freedom to choose. The PGA Tour has had too much power for too long, and I’m okay if they have to do some soul searching if they want to remain relevant.

It is like the 20s and 30s when movie companies owned the actors and they worked for that company or were black balled.. I say if you have qualified to play an event then feel free to do so. A bunch of control freaks can stick it where the sun don't shine !

I have a problem with idiots telling free people what they can and cannot do.

Its fuelled by pure greed.

Dustin Johnson and Phil Mickelson have untold wealth already.
Same applies for Sergio Garcia and most of the other players signed up for this new series.

These players live in the lap of luxury, get paid obscene amounts of money to play golf on the best courses in the world.
They stop in top hotels or their own luxury enormous motorhomes in the most exclusive resorts and locations in the world.

Their winning's far exceed anything the vast majority of us could ever dream of, the get paid appearance money and have all sorts of sponsorship deals ranging from manufacturers of golf equipment and assorted goods. Their clothing always display sponsorship from numerous brand names.

Yet they abandon a tour that has heritage and prestige that has always sought to pay its members very well to chase even greater wealth on a tour with none of the stature or standing of the PGA and is funded by supporters of terrorism and extremism.

Shameful.

I hope they get banned from playing all future Majors and Ryder Cups.
I hope this venture goes tits up and they go running back to the Tour with cap in hand and then get told in no uncertain terms to go and # themselves.

Each and every one of them who has signed up have sullied their reputations and deserve all the condemnation they will get.

originally posted by: Freeborn
Its fuelled by pure greed.

Dustin Johnson and Phil Mickelson have untold wealth already.
Same applies for Sergio Garcia and most of the other players signed up for this new series.

These players live in the lap of luxury, get paid obscene amounts of money to play golf on the best courses in the world.
They stop in top hotels or their own luxury enormous motorhomes in the most exclusive resorts and locations in the world.

Their winning's far exceed anything the vast majority of us could ever dream of, the get paid appearance money and have all sorts of sponsorship deals ranging from manufacturers of golf equipment and assorted goods. Their clothing always display sponsorship from numerous brand names.

Yet they abandon a tour that has heritage and prestige that has always sought to pay its members very well to chase even greater wealth on a tour with none of the stature or standing of the PGA and is funded by supporters of terrorism and extremism.

Shameful.

I hope they get banned from playing all future Majors and Ryder Cups.
I hope this venture goes tits up and they go running back to the Tour with cap in hand and then get told in no uncertain terms to go and # themselves.

Each and every one of them who has signed up have sullied their reputations and deserve all the condemnation they will get.

The Saudis reportedly offered Jack Niklaus 150 million to be the face of the LIV league, and he passed on the offer.

They offered Tiger Woods an INSANE amount of money to play... nearly a BILLION dollars... he also passed.

Phil may have had more incentive... there was a report I read last week saying that Phil has a huge gambling problem, and has lost at least 40 million over the past few years.

Only 16 players currently ranked in the top 100 of the Official World Golf rankings have committed to the LIV...

I am a golf fan, and the LIV hasn't been much more than a distraction thus far...

a reply to: Observationalist

You have the title wrong. The PGA is the original Golf Association, nothing to do with America or Trump.

The Professional Golfers' Association (PGA) is the first ever Professional Golfers' Association, it is the professional body which represents the interests of teaching and club golf professionals in the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. It was established in 1901 and is based at The Belfry near Birmingham, England. It has a membership of over 7,500 professionals with 1,500 working overseas in more than 70 countries worldwide. Since 2017 the chairman of the board has been Alan White, club professional at Lanark Golf Club

What you are refering to i assume is this.

The Professional Golfers' Association of America (PGA of America) is an American organization of golf professionals that was founded in 1916. Consisting of nearly 29,000 men and women members, the PGA of America's undertaking is to establish and elevate the standards of the profession and to grow interest and participation in the game of golf

en.wikipedia.org...

They are not the same thing. When you refer to The PGA it's the British one not the American.

a reply to: alldaylong

Hold on, It’s way more confusing than that.
You may notice that I make a distinction with how I say “PGA Tour.” The PGA, PGA of America have nothing to do with the PGA tour. They only have the PGA Championship that they get to put on.

This is an Issue with the PGA Tour, not the PGA of America.

For 50 years, the PGA of America and the PGA Tour have been separate organizations. This happened at a time when the likes of Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus had established themselves as stars of the game in the television era. Exposure was increasing, and purses were expanding. The players didn't feel the PGA of America, which today is a 29,000-member organization of golf club professionals and teachers and other career golf-industry workers, was looking after the touring professional golfers as well as they should. The top players wanted to use the influx of TV money and, eventually sponsor money, to boost their livelihoods, rather than funneling much of that money back into the PGA of America.

What’s the difference between the PGA of America and the PGA Tour?

Hey, look at that, the PGA Tour was birthed from “greedy“ golfers wanting to make a better living for themselves. Interesting.

originally posted by: Dontlietome

originally posted by: Observationalist

originally posted by: Dontlietome
a reply to: Observationalist

At least the pga gives money to charity and is a non-profit . The saudis were responsible for 911. No offense because I hate the pga but the Saudi’s are 1000x worse .

This doesn’t have to be a battle of one country sins versus another. However, It is the obvious take.

It’s also about the controlling nature of the PGA Tour, a non-profit that won’t allow players to pursue other options. This charitable non-profit has turned very authoritarian and seems very insecure about there revenue stream.

Well we’re going to find out . Phil Mickelson just said he’s playing in the Liv tournament this weekend and plans on playing in the US open and no one has told him he can’t . I brought up the pga giving money to charity because it wasn’t talked about by you or your video and I thought it was relevant. They don’t give a ton of their money away but I think they are maybe just a tad nobler than the Saudi Elite . The pga is authoritarian? Or the Saudi Elite ? Are you for real ?

Saudi Arabia is Nation, The PGA tour is a Non-propfit organization in America, land of the free. Why do they get to be act like dictators. I understand Saudi Bad. But the PGA Tour is bringing this on themselves. They could let them play with no ultimatum. If they are such an outstanding, and benevolent organization then they have nothing to fear.

The PGA Tour's Non-Profit Status Is A Big Joke
Apparently they don’t mind leaving Children’s Hospital High and Dry.

The worst performance came from the Shriners Hospitals for Children Open, which is a unique case because the hospital itself runs the tournament. Over two years, the hospital actually lost $4.5 million running the tournament, according to the institution's annual financial report. A hospital statement released to "Outside the Lines" through the PGA Tour states that the golf tournament provides valuable media exposure for the hospital that costs less than if the hospital had to pay for a similar exposure level.

Maybe players have other reason for leavening besides just the money. But the Tour needs you to believe these guys are greedy, and evil.

a reply to: Freeborn
Who are you to tell anyone WHERE they can work or for HOW MUCH?
You really do hate liberty!

a reply to: shooterbrody

I'm not telling them what they can or can't do, just that I think they are a set of greedy bastards.
Expressing a personal opinion is not telling them what they can or can't do....something you seem incapable of understanding.

And its blood money.
Saudi Arabia is amoral and the single biggest funder and exporter of Islamic extremism in the world.

a reply to: Observationalist


HUGE UPDATE - Tuesday, June 6, 2023

Former President Trump often reminds us that he is aware of, and active in, a great many things.

For example, he had a hand in the just-announced merger of the PGA and LIV golf associations.

Just posted by candidate Trump on TruthSocial.com...

Isn’t that who you want for President, somebody that can predict the future?

This seems to be the hot story, but it was my great honor to help.

A merger like no other!

Link to post: truthsocial.com...@realDonaldTrump/110498576535247064

Referenced News Article - "Flashback: Trump Predicted LIV-PGA Merger": dailycaller.com...

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Observationalist


HUGE UPDATE - Tuesday, June 6, 2023

Former President Trump often reminds us that he is aware of, and active in, a great many things.

For example, he had a hand in the just-announced merger of the PGA and LIV golf associations.

Just posted by candidate Trump on TruthSocial.com...

Isn’t that who you want for President, somebody that can predict the future?

This seems to be the hot story, but it was my great honor to help.

A merger like no other!

Link to post: truthsocial.com...@realDonaldTrump/110498576535247064

Referenced News Article - "Flashback: Trump Predicted LIV-PGA Merger": dailycaller.com...

This is huge news!!!

I work in the golf industry and this battle between the LIV and PGA tour has been epic. It seems like parallels what’s happening in the world now. You have PGA (white) and LIV (Black) fighting like mad, and now there is like a reset, they are all working together.

My conspiracy senses, say Trump and Greg Norman had some deep dirt on The PGA Tour so deep that they couldn’t afford not to join. Trump is the master at Leverage.