20 Officers in the Hallway while Texas School shooting occured

This is heart breakingly disgusting to hear

a reply to: vonclod

god forgive these people because the parents will never and most of the normal people wont.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow



Yep . Doin' their Jobs . ?

originally posted by: noscopebacon
a reply to: vonclod

god forgive these people because the parents will never and most of the normal people wont.

I would spend the rest of my miserable life, making them pay. I just heard, one of the parents who were "restrained" ..their child was murdered, so disgusting/disgusted, and I'm not even American

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Yep . Doin' their Jobs . ?

I didn't say they were just doing there Jobs .

I said they were Poorly trained , Poorly selected , Poorly Maintained and most of all given bad orders.

There is no real excuse for how those Police handled that situation , But I can not stress this enough Police are not Soldiers Police do not possess that sort of training .

and yes I understand that any normal human being would run into that Classroom and give there life to save those children , But there in lies the Real Question .

Why didn't they ? Because there Coward PIGS !!

Yes I get that is a popular opinion but when you set aside the anger and really look at the situation , Something is amiss here because just by Odds of it one of those police would have ran into that room out of desperation to save those kids but they didn't and that is the real question Why not ?

You know Benghazi was a complete # show as well and why was that ? Was it because those soldiers were cowards ? No they ended up most of them dying trying save that Ambassador but that was because they disobeyed orders.

Someone in Washington was trying to keep those soldiers in Benghazi from doing there Jobs and I'm betting what happen in this Texas school is very similar.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

" I said they were Poorly trained , Poorly selected , Poorly Maintained and most of all given bad orders."

Geez , those POOR Men.......

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

This is Worth Repeating . A Mom drove there , Got handcuffed , Got Out Of Handcuffs , and Hopped a Fence. Went inside the School and Walked Out with Her two kids. All the while 19 Officers Waited Outside the Classroom where the Gunman was .

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

This is Worth Repeating . A Mom drove there , Got handcuffed , Got Out Of Handcuffs , and Hopped a Fence. Went inside the School and Walked Out with Her two kids. All the while 19 Officers Waited Outside the Classroom where the Gunman was .

I know mate , I've read the reports it's inexcusable the way the Police conducted themselves.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I just heard on a replay of local news (ABC, I think) that the Texas Marshals have condemned the (in)actions of the police. Supposedly, they were all given active shooter training two weeks ago and yet no one implemented that training.The official statement was that these officers who are not willing to do their job should seek another profession; i say any officer who was unwilling to do their job and who prevented others from doing it as well is a criminal and needs to seek a lawyer for the upcoming criminal trial.

There goes the "untrained" part of your argument.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: JinMI

What is not mentioned however is the 45-60 minutes that this went on while children were still alive, calling for help.

your not wrong mate , and that is on the Police Captain who made the decision and one has to wonder was he getting orders also from even higher ?

he even held back the bortac team from going in when they got there.

they were waiting for the right key to open the door.


20 + cops could have made a screen door out of the locked door in about 5 seconds.


they messed up bigly.

let's see who gets fired, quits or eats a bullet.

originally posted by: projectvxn
This ended when a BP officer finally went in and blasted the #stain.

As far as I know, the officer wasn't on duty and he used a borrowed shotgun.

yeah he just sat down for a hair cut.

it was his barbers gun he borrowed.

a reply to: vonclod

How a lack of training wasn't a factor in local law enforcement's inaction makes their situation worse. My conclusion is the people in question are "imposter cops", who knowingly collected wages from taxpayers, wore the uniform, and carried related equipment. But they lacked the "right stuff" to tackle an active shooter situation. So my question is, are these imposters criminally negligent?

Lastly, providing they work in civilian occupations, I don't begrudge anybody who doesn't wish to put their life on the line in worse case scenarios.

With all the excuses, the border guys just went in and did it.
The parents would have done the same. See the mum going in getting her children.

Most humans will go and rescue others, especially kids, even if they put themselves in danger. Being held back to do so by cowards is even worse.

Maybe next time don't call the goons. It seems anyone else had more humanity and balls.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I personally believe that these school shootings are inside jobs. I have thought this for a long time. We already know MKUltra is real, what if these people who do these school shootings are those victims. Seriously?! I believe the government are behind these shootings to get people to vote to disarm us. Once we are disarmed we could easily be invaded.

originally posted by: starlahazelnut
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I personally believe that these school shootings are inside jobs. I have thought this for a long time. We already know MKUltra is real, what if these people who do these school shootings are those victims. Seriously?! I believe the government are behind these shootings to get people to vote to disarm us. Once we are disarmed we could easily be invaded.

Mate that is something that is in the back of a lot of peoples minds on ATS , But I will be honest with you ATS is for sure monitored and saying school shootings are inside jobs is on the extreme of Taboo subjects.

I guess what I'm trying to say is it's not something we talk about.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I just heard on a replay of local news (ABC, I think) that the Texas Marshals have condemned the (in)actions of the police. Supposedly, they were all given active shooter training two weeks ago and yet no one implemented that training.The official statement was that these officers who are not willing to do their job should seek another profession; i say any officer who was unwilling to do their job and who prevented others from doing it as well is a criminal and needs to seek a lawyer for the upcoming criminal trial.

There goes the "untrained" part of your argument.

TheRedneck

If I'm not mistaken that was the 'SWAT' team that conducted the Active shooter training , not the entire department.

Which begs the question further why didn't the SWAT team do there job.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

That's not according to the Texas Rangers. They were addressing the local police department.

Are they lying?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: noscopebacon
a reply to: MikhailBakunin

so just let the killer kill as many as he can right?


they were looking for a grown person not a elementary child it is pretty easy to determine if someone is an adult or a child



fact is they screwed up BIG time and there inaction cost lives.


you talk about people saying what ifs, well you are giving really lame excuses for men and women that are allegedly trained and there to protect the community and instead of putting themselves in danger they let a killer hang out in a room with kids as he executed them


but better the cops wait till they know all the kids are dead or down and THAN go in???


come on, these cops are cowards and should be held accountable for their inaction.

Naturally.

Every Police officer I've asked for joining was because they didn't want to join the military and engage in real combat in a different country... away from home.

So naturally, they will be "lame" and "coward". It's not a Bruce Willis movie. They are not trained for guerilla warfare and would shoot themselves before any bad guy. I would be surprised they could find their clip once they emptied the first in the walls, floor, and their own pants leg while enemy rounds rip through their calf muscle and shoulder blades.

Even the military are trained for years and still every war results in friendly fire and accidents being the number 1 and 2 results for the most casualties.

Maybe if these were the Navy Seals who can think and act under duress might they pull off some Hollywood stuff you imagine... even seal team 6 made mistakes and paid dearly.

But these are no excuses. It is simply the cold hard realities of such situations.

We're talking about over weight people who have to beat handcuffed folks just to get a name out of them. There's 20 of them? At least 5 will drop their weapon as they hear rounds bouncing off the brick walls, another 5 will forget the safety is on... their aim would be so bad with their uncleaned weapons... when they finally discharge a round it'd aim for the killer, pop two kids in the leg and chest, and bounce back on them... they will tend to their own buddy before any kid. But you want them playing Clint Eastwood in a room full of screaming pants poopers and a psycho playing real time call of duty? I'd be surprised if any of those LEOs could even apply a proper tourniquet while they are getting plunked looking like swish cheese with strawberry filling.

originally posted by: xpert11
a reply to: vonclod

How a lack of training wasn't a factor in local law enforcement's inaction makes their situation worse. My conclusion is the people in question are "imposter cops", who knowingly collected wages from taxpayers, wore the uniform, and carried related equipment. But they lacked the "right stuff" to tackle an active shooter situation. So my question is, are these imposters criminally negligent?

Lastly, providing they work in civilian occupations, I don't begrudge anybody who doesn't wish to put their life on the line in worse case scenarios.

I don't want to demonise all cops, there are some good ones, maybe 15%, and maybe 15% really bad ones..the rest are, as in this case..apparently just filler

Doing security at the hospital in a college town, I was unarmed. Didn’t have a vest nor utility belt full of toys. I had a badge, two way radio and the express orders that I could only defend myself. Now, if I “just so happened to ‘find’ myself to be in a situation to defend myself”, I didn’t have to pull any punches.

Despite such limitations, I was twice tagged in to help police find an armed suspect in the area of town around the hospital (3 block radius) by doing on foot searches to find suspect hiding in the dark.

Lots of latitude happens in the course of public safety. I would guess that there will not be too many officers retained here shortly from the Chief on down. There may not even be the current Mayor and city council members left after the dust clears.