Why do they want us in Masks so bad

a reply to: ketsuko

Even a bad flu season will knock billions off of the economy.

Just think about it, imagine if there were a bad flu outbreak just before Thanksgiving, all of those people staying at home in bed and not shopping or eating out.

Covid was one long bad flu season. The government wanted to try to balance the impact of the economy between people being unproductive due to sickness and people being unproductive due to being locked down.

I personally don't think that they got the balance right, but that's for another thread.

Wearing a mask allows citizens to be at least a little economically active while having a reduced risk of sickness. Or to put it another way, the government believed that wearing a mask and being out was better than not wearing a mask and staying home, or not wearing a mask and getting sick.

Lots of reasons,

1. It breeds fear and fear is a method of control
2. It prevents one on one communication which makes large mainstream media communication more powerful.
3. Wearing masks is in a way a uniform which is a powerful symbol of taking away individuality and replacing it with a group
4. If you believe in energy fields and "vibes" or whatever, lack of personal connections would prevent that.
5. Only being around masked strangers probably changes young children's thought process
6. Masking tends to make people asexual. Both male and female dress about the same-pants/shirt- even hair isn't that different.
7. This one is a little out there: by masking we make our physical bodies less important which makes us more accepting of virtual reality - one in which we never die but "live" our life in a world totally controlled without the ability to die to go to heaven or reincarnate.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: ketsuko

Even a bad flu season will knock billions off of the economy.

Just think about it, imagine if there were a bad flu outbreak just before Thanksgiving, all of those people staying at home in bed and not shopping or eating out.

Covid was one long bad flu season. The government wanted to try to balance the impact of the economy between people being unproductive due to sickness and people being unproductive due to being locked down.

I personally don't think that they got the balance right, but that's for another thread.

Wearing a mask allows citizens to be at least a little economically active while having a reduced risk of sickness. Or to put it another way, the government believed that wearing a mask and being out was better than not wearing a mask and staying home, or not wearing a mask and getting sick.

They must pay you. Here you are, on a conspiracy site, with zero ability to take in what people are saying that counters your pro-government take.

As you said yourself "Covid was one long bad flu season." We've weathered these before without resorting to dividing society into two castes. The average person intuitively knows to not sneeze on others, wash their hands if feeling under the weather and stay home when sick, so advice could have stopped there with emphasis on it being serious.

What do you make of the Bill Gates video where he says covid has a "fairly low fatality rate" and is "a disease mainly of the elderly, kind of like the flu" ?

www.kusi.com...

It can't be extremely dangerous and at the same time, innocuous. So if the truth lies in the middle, the entire masking/vaccine mandates were still way overblown and subject to suspicion especially as they infringed on people's medical rights as well.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Masks are a placebo.

This is a test about compliance and subservience.

a reply to: JAGStorm

It isn't primarily gay! It is spread by "prolonged close contact" or touching contaminated surfaces or bodily fluid.

www.health.nsw.gov.au...#:~:text=How%20does%20monkeypox%20spread%3F,not%20spread%20via%20casual%20cont act.

a reply to: igloo

It's a conspiracy site, and I'm explaining why the conspiracy makes no sense.

They must pay you. Here you are, on a conspiracy site,

The first thing that comes to your mind is that I'm being paid to say this?

You haven't even tried to dispute anything that I've said, no counter argument, just an accusation that I'm being paid?

zero ability to take in what people are saying that counters your pro-government take.

Taken in, and debunked. I don't have to agree with everybody all of the time.

As you said yourself "Covid was one long bad flu season." We've weathered these before without resorting to dividing society into two castes.

Society was already divided. The government would much rather that it wasn't. A divided society is harder to govern. Why would the government do something that makes life more difficult for it?

If we're all reading from the same page, we're easier to govern.

The average person intuitively knows to not sneeze on others, wash their hands if feeling under the weather and stay home when sick, so advice could have stopped there with emphasis on it being serious.

At the start of the pandemic nobody knew how covid was transmitted, or how dangerous it was. People were demanding that the government do something, so it went with what it knew from Influenza and SARS. If the government had done nothing it would have caused social unrest. People would have claimed that it wasn't taking thigs seriously enough. Which is exactly what happened in the UK. The government trusted in the people to use common sense to protect themselves, and people screamed and wailed that the government wasn't doing enough.

What do you make of the Bill Gates video where he says covid has a "fairly low fatality rate" and is "a disease mainly of the elderly, kind of like the flu" ?

I've been saying this since Spring 2020. Mostly to counter people like you who claimed that it was a bio weapon. You'll find no disagreement with me on this one.

It can't be extremely dangerous and at the same time, innocuous.

Yes, yes it can. It's dangerous to the elderly, and the US has an aging population. It's also dangerous to the obese, people with diabetes, hyper tension and heart disease. In the US this is 10s of millions of people.

With a mortality rate of around 1.3 percent Covid has killed more Americans that WWII.

Regular flu kills maybe 10,000 Americans each year, and that's got an even lower mortality rate than Covid.

the entire masking/vaccine mandates were still way overblown and subject to suspicion especially as they infringed on people's medical rights as well.

That doesn't make it a conspiracy.

As I said, wearing a mask helps to protect people while allowing them to remain economically active. It's a compromise measure somewhere in-between locking people down and giving them free reign.

a reply to: Daughter2

It breeds fear and fear is a method of control

Doom porn breeds fear, saying that masks give you oxygen starvation breeds fear. Saying that masks are a mens of control breeds fear.

It prevents one on one communication which makes large mainstream media communication more powerful.

No, it just make you feel silly for having to repeat yourself a coupe of times.

Wearing masks is in a way a uniform which is a powerful symbol of taking away individuality and replacing it with a group

Right up until companies started selling masks with different colors and designed, then masks became another way to show your individuality. Go on, ask me how many confederate flag masks I own with anti-mandate statements on them.

Only being around masked strangers probably changes young children's thought process

How, subliminal messages?

Masking tends to make people asexual. Both male and female dress about the same-pants/shirt- even hair isn't that different.

Ask me how many confederate flag masks I own, or how many pink filly masks my wife owns.

This one is a little out there: by masking we make our physical bodies less important which makes us more accepting of virtual reality

Masks make my nose itch, which makes me sneeze more often. If anything that make me more aware of my physical presence. Like Hay fever does.

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: JAGStorm

Masks actually are counter productive for facial recognition.

I think it is more a matter of getting the population used to compliance with government orders.

But isn't it the government who supposedly wants facial recognition?

Exactly. They are willing to forgo in the short term facial recognition advantages in favor of conditioning the public on compliance, utilizing the public do gooders to be free compliance officers.

They are working on being able to identify people only by their eyes. I read an article the other day saying that soon we could log into things or even make purchases at a store simply with an eye scan. What better way to perfect this technology than with everyones faces covered with only the eyes showing to scan

a reply to: GlobalGold

If they're trying to make people more compliant, why do it in such a divisive way?

If anything, mask mandates are making people more rebellious, and are polarizing the community.

Surely if you wanted to make people more compliant you'd choose something that they be at least half way to agreeing with?

You'd start small, make them think that it was their own idea, or that it's something worth trying, then gradually move up the ladder. That's how cult leaders do it in real life.

You don't give people the cool aid on day 1.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: GlobalGold

If they're trying to make people more compliant, why do it in such a divisive way?

If anything, mask mandates are making people more rebellious, and are polarizing the community.

Surely if you wanted to make people more compliant you'd choose something that they be at least half way to agreeing with?

You'd start small, make them think that it was their own idea, or that it's something worth trying, then gradually move up the ladder. That's how cult leaders do it in real life.

You don't give people the cool aid on day 1.

They don't need everyone to comply in order to test their eye scan technology. Its easy to get large groups in an area to comply, as with the airline mandates. Plenty there that they know the ID of to test their technology on

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: JAGStorm

Talking to a friend yesterday and she told me her kid's middle school was a mess this year. At a meeting with parents and the new principal (last one quit) the idea was fronted that kids are hiding behind masks and hoodies to say the cruelest things. I wonder if the bandit/outlaw aspect is part of the push to in order to drag us down even faster.
One thing we know is this is not about what's really good/healthy for people.

It has had a profound effect on children which we may not see the results for years to come.
Also I think the overuse of sanitizer, hand/soap/cleaning will also have a negative effect long term.

a reply to: JAGStorm

It's the erasure of individuality, and to weed out the free thinkers and disobedient of us. A mask is the best way to identify undesirables as it's very visible to everyone.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

It's intentionally divisive to create enmity between the obedient and the free thinkers. They are fostering a cult mentality where the mob will attack those who don't conform.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: igloo

It's a conspiracy site, and I'm explaining why the conspiracy makes no sense.

They must pay you. Here you are, on a conspiracy site,

The first thing that comes to your mind is that I'm being paid to say this?

You haven't even tried to dispute anything that I've said, no counter argument, just an accusation that I'm being paid?

zero ability to take in what people are saying that counters your pro-government take.

Taken in, and debunked. I don't have to agree with everybody all of the time.

As you said yourself "Covid was one long bad flu season." We've weathered these before without resorting to dividing society into two castes.

Society was already divided. The government would much rather that it wasn't. A divided society is harder to govern. Why would the government do something that makes life more difficult for it?

If we're all reading from the same page, we're easier to govern.

The average person intuitively knows to not sneeze on others, wash their hands if feeling under the weather and stay home when sick, so advice could have stopped there with emphasis on it being serious.

At the start of the pandemic nobody knew how covid was transmitted, or how dangerous it was. People were demanding that the government do something, so it went with what it knew from Influenza and SARS. If the government had done nothing it would have caused social unrest. People would have claimed that it wasn't taking thigs seriously enough. Which is exactly what happened in the UK. The government trusted in the people to use common sense to protect themselves, and people screamed and wailed that the government wasn't doing enough.

What do you make of the Bill Gates video where he says covid has a "fairly low fatality rate" and is "a disease mainly of the elderly, kind of like the flu" ?

I've been saying this since Spring 2020. Mostly to counter people like you who claimed that it was a bio weapon. You'll find no disagreement with me on this one.

It can't be extremely dangerous and at the same time, innocuous.

Yes, yes it can. It's dangerous to the elderly, and the US has an aging population. It's also dangerous to the obese, people with diabetes, hyper tension and heart disease. In the US this is 10s of millions of people.

With a mortality rate of around 1.3 percent Covid has killed more Americans that WWII.

Regular flu kills maybe 10,000 Americans each year, and that's got an even lower mortality rate than Covid.

the entire masking/vaccine mandates were still way overblown and subject to suspicion especially as they infringed on people's medical rights as well.

That doesn't make it a conspiracy.

As I said, wearing a mask helps to protect people while allowing them to remain economically active. It's a compromise measure somewhere in-between locking people down and giving them free reign.

I was joking about being paid.

To me, the conspiracy is in why they pushed it so hard, why the propaganda in the media, the censorship of alternate voices on social/traditional media. Debating the seriousness of disease or the effectiveness of vaccines is somewhat pointless as frankly, may never know.

I also believe it can be dangerous and innocuous at the same time but was trying to see common ground by taking the middle path and still seeing the response as overblown. People die of flu so, of course, the same sort of comorbidities will factor in. It's simply the shut down of the entire country and rotten treatment of those who chose not to get the vaccines that are odd to me.

I did my research and made a decision based on having a good immune system. I shouldn't have been shunned by friends and family for this. They know I've had strange reactions to different meds in the past and avoid. The fact that they got so wound up, due to the media, that they would have preferred I risk taking the vaccine over being compassionate shows to me that the media did a number on their empathy. It was so strange and not uncommon during the last two years. So the media caused a massive rift among people but there has to be a reason, beyond blind panic, because as you and I both saw this as akin to bad flu in spring 2020. We simply aren't the only ones, yet no one could suggest such without being censored.

By the way, I've never said it was a bio-weapon. The info out of Wuhan and some coincidences were interesting but I never said such. Wasn't that interested really, only interested in the way they rolled out the panic in the media which was super similar to prior conspiracy events.

So, you can believe there is no conspiracy or not, but I believe we are being manipulated with these big events and it's that insight I'm looking for.

They can put air born drugs on the mask!

originally posted by: Halfswede

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: JAGStorm

Aren't we currently at 2 confirmed cases in the US?

Apparently enough of a scare for the admin to order 13 million vaccines ASAP.

The US has stockpiles of Smallpox vaccine that is based on the vaccinnia virus. It also works against monkeypox, and that is the vaccine they are using in this case.

No need for anyone to 'order' millions of doses. It's BS.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: JAGStorm

to dull the brain,

The results of the study were amazing. Participants who worked in the elevated CO2 levels were found to have significant difficulty with their decision making abilities and thinking capabilities. The cognitive scores of participants in the Green building were 61% higher than the participants in the conventional buildings and the participants in the Green + building had cognitive skills as high as 101%.

CO2 Affects our Thinking

granted humans exhale very little compared to other sources of CO2, but hours on end of wearing a mask can add up.
humans exhale a of average 2.3 lbs of CO2 a day.

An average human exhales around 2.3 pounds of CO2 in a day. That rate increases by up to a factor of eight during heavy physical exertion and falls somewhat during periods of relaxation, such as during sleep. Human bodies cannot exhale carbon without first taking it up from food. Humans are, therefore, part of a closed carbon-capture loop. In this loop, atmospheric CO2 is taken up by plants, which are then eaten directly by humans or indirectly by herbivores that are later eaten by humans. Exhalation simply returns some carbon that had been temporarily sequestered in plants to the atmosphere.

How Much CO2 Does a Human Exhale?

so if we're retaining some of what we exhale while wearing masks for hours at a time the brains cognitive function is gonna decrease.

Japan has the highest average IQ of any country in the world. They also have a legacy, over decades, of their general public wearing medical masks.

a reply to: JAGStorm

I'm amazed at the number of people who still wear masks while out shopping, in their cars, even walking in the park. 90% of them are either Indian or Black.

What is it about their cultures that makes them so afraid of catching Covid, or whatever it is they're afraid of?

a reply to: chr0naut

still doesn't change the fact of what the studies found, it is also a fact that studies have found fish is a brain food with other health benefits , and what is one of the things Japanese eat a lot of, i do believe its fish.

just because you have a high IQ doesn't mean that your not not gonna suffer from some cognitive decrease when exposed to higher than normal CO2 concentrations for hours on end.
maybe eating fish offsets the loss.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: chr0naut

still doesn't change the fact of what the studies found, it is also a fact that studies have found fish is a brain food with other health benefits , and what is one of the things Japanese eat a lot of, i do believe its fish.

just because you have a high IQ doesn't mean that your not not gonna suffer from some cognitive decrease when exposed to higher than normal CO2 concentrations for hours on end.
maybe eating fish offsets the loss.

They eat Wagyu beef too...