My pilot thoughts on today's UFO congressional hearing (2nd post just think on it)

originally posted by: ConMi27

And surely there's some pilot on ATS that has thoughts on this. I mean its Abnormally weird....

Lots of pilots on ATS ConMi27 but unfortunately have never tried it (been in submarines though).

For what it's worth there's some info here about 'pilot under reporting bias' and apparently there are just reasons why a pilot doesn't report his or her UFO sighting.

"There is a [military] publication called JANAP 146E that has a section that says you will not reveal any information regarding the UFO phenomenon under penalty of $10,000 fine and ten years in jail. So the secret has been kept."

Lieutenant Frederick Fox.

Pilot Statements

I hear you.

Valid points.

I think my caution and sudden awareness come from their explicit concern in it. It seems genuine in some aspects and I think the only reason the government woukd openly admit to this is from a point of fear.

Because they don't know.

If its our own tech or even China's tech:
one - they wouldn't admit that China is ahead of us
Two - they wouldn't reveal our advanced tech to others, or risk giving away an advantage or secrets that benefits us

There is absolutely no advantage to coming out with this public forum since more than half then people aren't even believers...

So.
Why.

a reply to: noscopebacon

a reply to: ConMi27
There has been several attempts but no one is willing to risk pilots and hardware from being damaged or put put out of commission anymore.

Everything from 60-70 has been non aggressive excluding non American air assets.
Search for foreign reports and you might get a better understanding of "why not".

a reply to: Factory ConMi27

that was over 60 years ago(the 1960's)

I can with 110% certainty say that we(US) has exotic energy based weaponry and particle beam weaponry(exotic types of matter possible, anything that can be accelerated in a accelerator might have interesting effects when fashioned into a powerful focused beam).

and only God knows what is in the US's black bag.


I would agree back in the early and upto the late 70's we may not have had the ability to intercept these craft in any meaningful way, but now in 2022 and with things i KNOW are possible i think we could bring down these craft but would expose the tech and maybe bring down a 'friendly'.

Any creature with a mind advanced enough to make a craft to get to earth and act the way they do(and we cant replicate, apparently) would know that you enter a clear military exercise and mess with aircraft with weaponry capabilities and than be shocked if you don't respond in a way we could understand as non threatening that they might get shot at.

the Nimitz encounter has always puzzled me, there were dozens of non-responsive objects at 80K feet above a military exercise and even after jets went to look and still could not get a response or an answer to hails and have ZERO launches or armed aircraft or even launching of SA-3's at the targets following you.



go try and buzz an aircraft carrier and see what happens.

you wont even get close before 2 interceptors are on your wing tips.


i was on an aircraft that had some sort of issue where they couldnt hear our responses

and we were intercepted pretty quickly and when they rocked the wings and they started to fall back i was like 'oh this is how i die'.


it turned out our jet flashed the lights at them and responded to the calls from the jet to follow them.


and they knew we were Americans, knew where we were going, and had a filed flight plan in a private jet and still sent up armed interceptors, so why not any of these craft?

i think we could bring them down, but we don't because they are ours(US) and most likely launched from a sub of some type as maybe some super advanced ECM/ISR element.


look up PROJECT PALLADIUM


it was how US subs would release these small mylar 'craft' that could spoof Cuban/USSR radars almost like a wild weasel



here is a 2 min clip from xfiles that i think applies to this very well

originally posted by: Factory
a reply to: ConMi27
There has been several attempts but no one is willing to risk pilots and hardware from being damaged or put put out of commission anymore.

Everything from 60-70 has been non aggressive excluding non American air assets.
Search for foreign reports and you might get a better understanding of "why not".

could you elaborate on that a bit? sounds interesting.

one wonders at what happened during the Cold War over the USSR. they're big, had tech, had nukes, so if there is something/someone flying around, they certainly must have interacted.

originally posted by: karl 12

There is a [military] publication called JANAP 146E that has a section that says you will not reveal any information regarding the UFO phenomenon under penalty of $10,000 fine and ten years in jail. So the secret has been kept.

Karl…..I’ve gone to several online postings of the JANAP 146E in pdf format…..and I can’t find that warning statement…..

Can you provide a link to where JANAP 146 states that warning?

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a reply to: ConMi27

"Our military is scared or cautious and that should beg you to ask what is going on for them to openly admit this to the public."

The "military" rarely shoots down its own. Unless you claim, the things that fly are aliens...

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: karl 12

There is a [military] publication called JANAP 146E that has a section that says you will not reveal any information regarding the UFO phenomenon under penalty of $10,000 fine and ten years in jail. So the secret has been kept.

Karl…..I’ve gone to several online postings of the JANAP 146E in pdf format…..and I can’t find that warning statement…..

Can you provide a link to where JANAP 146 states that warning?

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That quote is probably misleading because the JANAP-146E document doesn't specify the penalties. It's also misleading because it doesn't say "you will not reveal any information regarding the UFO phenomenon", since you could reveal lots of information about the UFO phenomenon if it didn't fall within the narrow criteron specified, without any penalty. The reference is specific to CIRVIS reports, which include both identifiable threats to the US, and also "aircraft of unconventional design, or engaged in suspicious activity or observed in a location or on a course which may be interpreted as constituting a threat to the United States, Canada or their forces." I suppose "aircraft of unconventional design" could be interpreted as "UFO" but it doesn't really say "UFO".

The relevant section talking about penalties for discussing the CERVIS reports in section III, Security, which seems to me is intended to avoid media leaks which might create panics in the public, tying up communication channels when they are needed:

JANAP 146(E)

SECTION III - SECURITY

208. Military and Civilian. Transmission of CIRVIS reports are subject to the U.S. Communications Act of 1934, as amended, and the Canadian Radio Act of 1938, as amended. Any person who violates the provisions of these acts may be liable to prosecution thereunder. These reports contain information affecting the national defense of the United States and Canada. Any person who makes an unauthorized transmission or disclosure of such a report may be liable to prosecution under Title 18 of the US Code 793, Chapter 37, or the Canadian Official Secrets Act of 1939, as amended. This should not be construed as requiring classification of CIRVIS messages. The purpose is to emphasize the necessity for the handling of such information within official channels only.

There's an old document around talking about the threat to tying up communication lines with chatter about UFOs possibly being a bigger threat than the UFOs themselves, so I suspect this may be a reason for keeping the reports in official communication channels.

Robertson Panel Report

It was the Panel's opinion that some of the Air Force concern over U.F.O.'s (notwithstanding Air Defense Command anxiety over fast radar tracks) was probably caused by public pressure. The result today is that the Air·Force has instituted a fine channel for receiving reports of nearly anything anyone sees in the sky and fails to understand. This has been particularly encouraged in popular articles on this and other subjects, such as space travel and
science fiction. The result is the mass receipt of low-grade reports which tend to overload channels of communication with material quite
irrelevant to hostile objects that might some day appear.

Also I'm not sure the document actually says to report the UFO if the UFO doesn't seem to be a threat against the US. After 70 years and thousands of UFO reports which appear to be benign, the vast majority of UFOs don't seem to be posing any threat against the US, and I'm not sure if any posed such a threat given they are most if not all some kind of misperceptions.

SECTION I - GENERAL

201. Information to be Reported and When to Report.

a. Sightings within the scope of this chapter, as outlined in paragraphs 102b(1), (2), (6) and (7), are to be reported as follows:

(1) While airborne and from land based observers.

(a) Hostile or unidentified single aircraft or formations of aircraft which appear to be directed against the United States or Canada or their forces.

(b) Missiles.

(c) Unidentified flying objects.

(d) Hostile or unidentified submarines.

(e) Hostile or unidentified group or groups of military surface vessels.

(f) Individual surface vessels, submarines, or aircraft of unconventional design, or engaged in suspicious activity or observed in a location or on a course which may be interpreted as constituting a threat to the United States, Canada or their forces.

(g) Any unexplained or unusual activity which may indicate a possible attack against or through Canada or the United States, including the presence of any unidentified or other suspicious ground parties in the Polar Region or other remote or sparsely populated areas.

(2) Upon landing.

(a) Reports which for any reason could not be transmitted while airborne.

(b) Unlisted airfields or facilities, weather stations, or air navigation aids.

(c) Any airborne, seaborne, ballistic or orbiting object which, the observer feels, may constitute a military threat against the US or Canada, or may be of interest to military and civilian government officials.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I'm not sure if any posed such a threat

Actually, the threat is posed by the scrambled fighters who are not informed about testing sensitive experimental platforms. I guess is difficult to implement a procedure of notification of such tests when the very nature of the tests and drills are precisely to look like unidentified flying objects...

But then, that's why they test those objects against unarmed F18´s fighters.

originally posted by: PorteurDeMort
I think the reason they don't shoot them down is due to what you said. They're scared of a retaliation that based on the UAP tech could most assuredly wipe us out. Orrrrrrr, they're working with these beings and allow the to fly freely because we are receiving some sort of tech in exchange for allowing them to operate unimpeded. Both are rather frightening in my opinion.

In fact if you followed Lue Elizondo's show unidentified, they did highlight this when they had a meeting in Italy with a group of government guys who were a bit further into it. The guy says on camera that they know if you fire a missile at these things they can turn them around and send them straight back at you. They also went on to say they had discovered a frequency that can be used to contact the intelligence operating the craft. Elizondo declined to confirm whether American authorities had also tried this method of contact, which means they of course had done but he didn't want to break his security oath by confirming it.

Regarding the congressional hearings, there will of course be more, and it's highly likely the top guys like Elizondo, Mellon etc, will take part at some point and those guys will really be putting the DOD under pressure with their questioning because of course they already know the answers.

It is coming, slowly and methodically but we are closing in on a situation where there are going to be some pretty big admissions by these organisations who have been protecting this information from public disclosure.

originally posted by: Paulzx

originally posted by: PorteurDeMort

. They also went on to say they had discovered a frequency that can be used to contact the intelligence operating the craft. Elizondo declined to confirm whether American authorities had also tried this method of contact, which means they of course had done but he didn't want to break his security oath by confirming it.

wow.
anyone with any info at all on this???

originally posted by: Paulzx
In fact if you followed Lue Elizondo's show unidentified...

a reply to: ElGoobero
A person needs to be naive and gullible to believe such claims from the TV show "unidentified". If that didn't send your BS detector into the "complete BS" zone, you need a new BS detector.

One obvious example of how they just lied their butts off at times in that TV show is explained in this video, where they said a UFO was "hauling ass" at "2/3 the speed of sound", when you can calculate yourself how fast it's moving, which is not any faster than wind speed.

Another great interview with Ryan Graves on Lex Fridmans podcast. Sharp guy speaking about his squadrons interactions with UAP’s.
Speaks a little about being a fighter pilot, context into what these folks do and training involved…no joke.
Describes a little bit more about what was seen on the SA page in the F18’s during the gimble video.
I found it interesting about how these craft maneuver not in a tight formation or precise as with an autopilot or automation.
Also speaks about speeds and sustained flight at these speeds.
Nothing earth shatteringly new but coming from Ryan very interesting.
Must watch.

a reply to: Slyder12

Would probably help with a link.

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