My pilot thoughts on today's UFO congressional hearing (2nd post just think on it)

Great post and thank you for sitting through the hearing. I believe that you are thinking of an old Art Bell call that to my knowledge has never been confirmed. Most likely someone having a go at humor in my opinion but still a fun listen. a reply to: ConMi27

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: idusmartias

His name is spelled Wernher von Braun. Yeah, the old standby religious sillyness: "God and his Angels who must be aliens to Earthlings." No, they are not, It's that silly religious notion that's alien to non-religious humans.

This is exactly why our government doesn't come right out and tell people what they believe about UFOs. They don't want to offend the non-religious since we separate church from state. So they use people like Tom Delonge to do it for them.

Tom DeLonge, with To The Stars Academy, gave us the closest thing to disclosure we're going to hear and read through his book series on "Sekret Machines: God". You won't be hearing it directly from the government.

These spirit entities have the ability to manifest into the physical world and disappear at will. They can manifest themselves into anything they want whether it's flying saucers, orbs of light, shadows, or anything else and leave physical traces of their presence behind. They are capable of defying space and time, which is why the government won't try to shoot them down because they know they can't. You can't catch or kill spiritual entities. Another reason why Big Foot will always remain a mystery and no proof will ever materialize.

Not to get into a flame war by including my criticism of religion but I enjoy using logic, common sense and reason. They are not used by religious beliefs. Facts, evidence do it for me. The representatives of our government have personal beliefs, there is not one spokesperson. There is no governmental consensus about the reality of UFOs so whatever you hear or read is personal or a committee's. And the "government" is highly religious and no one in government gives a hoot about the non-religious so the non-religious are persona non grata. And "we" do not separate church from state. That notion holds no water.

And Tom DeLonge? He was and might still be this forum's punching bag. Look up the threads from a few years ago. And since this is a Aliens & UFOs forum and they have no connection to any religion, let alone christian, your rant is in the wrong forum. And you can catch and seemingly imprison spiritual entities. Just look at all of the TV videos of the foolhardy who acquire and open dybbuk boxes.

Lastly, but not least, your ridiculous comment: "Another reason why Big Foot will always remain a mystery and no proof will ever materialize." While it is true that bigfoot is a present mystery the proof is in the pudding, the pudding being the tons of videos of bigfoot shown constantly on TV. They are sustantial proof.

originally posted by: ConMi27
The US government has restricted airspace’s that a general pilot or commercial pilot has to avoid or will face defensive protocols from the operating agency within the region.

That being said, they’ve never shot down a “unidentified aerial phenomenon” OR a ”UFO”

ON that rationale, my 5’4” 130 pound persona in a single engine aircraft, flying over an airspace at 8,000 feet altitude at 110 knots (85 or something miles per hour) is welcome to death. I've been flying since 18, I have a mere 350 hours flight time with training in a (starting with) Cessna 152, Cessna 172, piper archer 181, eclipse jet, premiere jet, baron twin engine, some other sporadic jet time thanks to my husband who flies a citation , Pilatus, gulfstream, and others.

But these weird airplanes and unidentified objects going over Mach 1 aren’t subject to destruction???? As said by the congressman today.

Makes zero #ing sense guys. Zerooooooo sense. Because they don’t know what they’re shooting and they don’t want a retaliation and idk if this worries you or not. But these things are real and this is something you should think about because if they’re openly admitting to these unidentified aircraft and they aren’t defensive in it then they are scared.

Our military is scared or cautious and that should beg you to ask what is going on for them to openly admit this to the public.

I'm not trying to fear monger but as a civil aviator, part owner of a general aviation of a flight school, this is warning me something is going on much more frequently and alerting than me or my friends and family within the industry have realized and what

Is it.

And surely there's some pilot on ATS that has thoughts on this. I mean its Abnormally weird....

its all on your point of view......i think a wise man said that once


they are not shooting because they know exactly what they are and that they are

1)ours and obviously don't shoot down new tech

2)other countries and don't shoot for not starting war with someone with crazy tech

3)its a privates companies little dark secret

=or=

4) they are someone else and obviously don't shoot because why would you? other than messing with some nukes a few decades ago what have they done? flown around military bases? restricted airspace? that's all a human concept and they my have no regard for us as equal and if they can operate such advanced craft with a power source we cant imagine, just think what kind of weaponry they have


heck they could just go to the asteroid belt pick a nice big heavy one and launch it at us,


if they are something not of this earth the war is already over, the invasion has happened and we have lost.

we are occupied and owned.


or they are just secret tech.


ask your self, if your in the US government you are subject to certain laws and public criticism and over site like FOIA



the AF or whoever in the US government cant really hid a new super black project for very long as the cost of them and their associated programs are public knowledge.

If i we the government and knew about a certain aerospace technology i would hand it off to my 3 favorite aerospace contractors and see who comes up with the nest 'ufo'


the man who ran skunk works/Ben Rich called UFO's Un Funded Opportunities


what do you think that means,,,,if you want to his something take it out of government.


that what is truly scary and why i personally believe there is a secret space program at the very least and we are living in what some might call the 4th Riche

About Ben Rich…….written 2016

For what it’s worth

Ben Rich misquoted by many in the UFO community

……”Ben Rich is constantly misquoted as saying “We now have the technology to take E.T home.” That is not what he said.

At the end of his presentation he showed his final slide, a picture of a disk-shaped craft – the classic “flying saucer” – flying into a partly cloudy sky with a burst of sunlight in the background and he gave his standard tagline.

It was a joke he had used in numerous presentations since 1983 when Steven Spielberg’s “E.T. the Extraterrestrial,” a film about a young boy befriending a lost visitor from space and helping the alien get home, had become the highest-grossing film of all-time. Rich apparently decided to capitalize on this popularity. By the summer of 1983, he had added the flying saucer picture to the end of a set of between 12 and 25 slides that he showed with his lecture on the history of Lockheed’s famed Skunk Works division.

Rich had long used a standard script for his talks, tailoring the content as necessary to accommodate his audience. Since most Skunk Works current projects were classified, it didn’t matter whether he was addressing schoolchildren or professional aeronautical engineers; he always ended the same way.”……


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There’s also this from a poster on a different forum…..

……”Aug 14, 2008
#1
Significant statements made by Ben Rich
(former head of Lockheed Skunk Works)
Specifically pertaining to advanced propulsion/space travel
all have been 100% verified and authenticated


“We did the F-104, C-130, U2, SR-71, F-117 and many other programs that I can’t talk about. We are still working very hard, I just can’t tell you what we are doing.
(source: 1993 WPAFB slide presentation)

“The Air Force has just given us a contract to take ET back home”
(source: 1993 WPAFB slide presentation)

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of GOD to ever get them out to benefit humanity”
(source: statement made after UCLA presentation to three Disclosure Project witnesses)

“We now have the technology to take ET back home”
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“We now know how to travel to the stars”
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“There is an error in the equations, and we have figured it out, and now know how to travel to the stars, and it won’t take a lifetime to do it”
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“It is time to end all secrecy on this, as it no longer poses a national security threat, and make the technology available for use in the private sector”.
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“There are many in the intelligence community who would like to see this stay in the black, and not see the light of day”
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“Jim, we have things out in the desert that are fifty (50) years beyond what you could possibly comprehend. If you have seen it on Star Wars or Star Trek, we’ve been there done that, or decided it was not worth the effort”
(Source: direct comments by Ben Rich to Jim Goodall via telephone call at the USC medical center approximately one week before Ben passed away on January 5th 1995)

“Dear John, Yes, I’m a believer in both categories. Feel anything is possible. Many of our man-made UFO’s were Un Funded Opportunities. In both categories, there are a-lot of books and charlatans, be careful. Best regards, Ben Rich”.
(source: 7/21/86 letter to John Andrews (Testors model Corporation) from Ben Rich who asked Ben if he was a believer in A) man made UFO’S, and B) extra-terrestrial UFO’s)

“We have some new things. We are not stagnating. What we are doing is updating ourselves, without advertising. There are some new programs, and there are certain things-some of them 20 or 30 years old-that are still break-throughs and appropriate to keep quiet about. Other people don’t have them yet.
(source: statement made by Ben Rich to Stuart F. Brown in an interview published in Popular Science October 1994)

“I wish I could tell you about the projects we are currently working on. They are both fascinating and fantastic. They call for technologies once only dreamed of by science fiction writers”.
(source: AIAA lecture Atlanta, Ga. September 7-9 1988)


for more information, please contact: Michael Schratt
email: [email protected]”…….

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a reply to: ConMi27

“A former air force chief claimed today how he saw a UFO firing four beams of light at a nuclear missile undergoing testing.
Ex-US Air Force First lieutenant Robert Jacobs alleged a craft, resembling a flying saucer, circled the dummy warhead during a test flight in California, during 1964.”

This story always fascinated me.


nypost.com...

I would like to run this one past Stanton Friedman but unfortunately that is rather unlikely. a reply to: TheRedHammer

a reply to: idusmartias

Once again, your response is EXACTLY why our government will never be the one to come right out and tell you what they believe UFOs to be. There are people who will never believe or understand what is behind the phenomena.

And while I'm sure you think Tom DeLonge is a joke, Luis Elizondo makes similar statements in less direct ways. Here's an example I shared in another thread...

When confronted with the question of whether UFOs are simply Earth-bound vehicles or from another galaxy, Elizondo offered a third unsettling option. He started by emphasizing, “This is important,” then explained how humans can only perceive “a narrow band” of reality. A lot of stuff (infrared, radio waves, cosmic radiation) is invisible to the human eye. There are “things that are right in front of your eyes, but you can’t see them.”

In fact, Elizondo claimed one senior official “told him to ‘Stop'” investigating UFOs — and asked Elizondo if he had “read your Bible lately?”

Elizondo asked where his boss was going with the non sequitur before acknowledging familiarity with the Good Book. As per Elizondo, he was then told, “‘Well, then you would know that these things are demonic and we should not be pursuing them.’ He wasn’t kidding. That’s exactly how he felt.”

nypost.com...

So, read that first statement by Elizondo again. If he doesn't think UFOs are from someone on earth or another galaxy, what do you think that third option is? He understands that there are people like you who have a very narrow view of reality and aren't capable of comprehending or reasoning beyond anything you can see or touch.

Lastly, when I used the word "proof", I should have said "absolute proof". Regardless of how many pictures and video we have of UFO's or Bigfoot, we'll never capture one physically or be able to shoot one down. (Just because spirit entities have the ability to attach THEMSELVES to objects doesn't mean we have the ability to contain or catch them at will.)

Get used to it. UFOs may not be what you WANT them to be, but that's not going to change what they are.

Maybe you need to stay in the aviation project forums if you can't handle these types of discussions.

a reply to: carewemust

Summary: We're afraid, because we don't understand them and they won't communicate with us.

I couldn't find this summary, but I don't think that's the issue here.

I have had many thoughts over this topic and think that this topic and its complexity could be the most if not the biggest problem to solve and explain to the world in general with all diversity in technology and theology.

I'm becoming more aware that we have to take the little steps before we really can understand what life or what we can perceive as life in the universe.

We know the ant question ,communication with them will not happen in a million years.

When would we communicate with ants, one would ask? It will be when their technological evolution starts to pick up the pace and they start using little cars , building little atom bombs or having their own Elon Ant...

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: ConMi27

Below is my obligatory post for maybe the 50th time on ATS. Every time the UFO subject comes up.

What former DNI John Ratcliffe says about UFOs in 5 minutes, sums up what hours and hours of testimony by experts conveys.

Ratcliffe Interview: www.theguardian.com...

Summary: We're afraid, because we don't understand them and they won't communicate with us.

The 'picked up by satellite imagery' is a big new disclosure.

a reply to: ConMi27

Pics or it didn't happen. WTF?!

Why can't these hearings & interviews just be the Feds who're trolling their tax payers?

www.youtube.com...

Here is a stabilized video of the famous Phoenix lights, they're clearly flares attached to balloons with the way they go out one by one.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

but did he refer tto UFO's as unfunded opportunities ???

that to me means they are building very advanced aircraft with private money for who ever is paying for them(some cia,nsa,usaf shell)

originally posted by: mbkennel

The 'picked up by satellite imagery' is a big new disclosure.

WOWzers……I hadn’t keyed in on that until you stated it. It definitely ups the game! Imo.

I’d definitely would like to see official government satellite imagery.

So we have Trump’s Director of National Intelligence and now Biden’s Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security….both admitting UFO’s/UAP’s do exist……these are two partisan party men agreeing in a bipartisan way.

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originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: idusmartias

Once again, your response is EXACTLY why our government will never be the one to come right out and tell you what they believe UFOs to be. There are people who will never believe or understand what is behind the phenomena.

And while I'm sure you think Tom DeLonge is a joke, Luis Elizondo makes similar statements in less direct ways. Here's an example I shared in another thread...

When confronted with the question of whether UFOs are simply Earth-bound vehicles or from another galaxy, Elizondo offered a third unsettling option. He started by emphasizing, “This is important,” then explained how humans can only perceive “a narrow band” of reality. A lot of stuff (infrared, radio waves, cosmic radiation) is invisible to the human eye. There are “things that are right in front of your eyes, but you can’t see them.”

In fact, Elizondo claimed one senior official “told him to ‘Stop'” investigating UFOs — and asked Elizondo if he had “read your Bible lately?”

Elizondo asked where his boss was going with the non sequitur before acknowledging familiarity with the Good Book. As per Elizondo, he was then told, “‘Well, then you would know that these things are demonic and we should not be pursuing them.’ He wasn’t kidding. That’s exactly how he felt.”

nypost.com...

So, read that first statement by Elizondo again. If he doesn't think UFOs are from someone on earth or another galaxy, what do you think that third option is? He understands that there are people like you who have a very narrow view of reality and aren't capable of comprehending or reasoning beyond anything you can see or touch.

Lastly, when I used the word "proof", I should have said "absolute proof". Regardless of how many pictures and video we have of UFO's or Bigfoot, we'll never capture one physically or be able to shoot one down. (Just because spirit entities have the ability to attach THEMSELVES to objects doesn't mean we have the ability to contain or catch them at will.)

Get used to it. UFOs may not be what you WANT them to be, but that's not going to change what they are.

Maybe you need to stay in the aviation project forums if you can't handle these types of discussions.

Let me get this straight, your replies are nothing but silly fluff but since this is an open forum anyone is allowed to vent their spleen and you have. If you want to discuss religious topics you'll find your forum under "general off-topic chitchat forums". Regardless of Elizondo's credentials he, like Tom DeLonge and others, he is a know-nothing as shown on many posts here criticizing his worthless status.

And I can handle any discussion about UFOs/aliens on this forum with logic, common sense and reason, something you've shown you can't. Sick to facts/truth. Let's stay away from insults. Stick to the OPs.

a reply to: idusmartias

Let me get this straight, your replies are nothing but silly fluff but since this is an open forum anyone is allowed to vent their spleen and you have. If you want to discuss religious topics you'll find your forum under "general off-topic chitchat forums". Regardless of Elizondo's credentials he, like Tom DeLonge and others, he is a know-nothing as shown on many posts here criticizing his worthless status.

So far, only your replies have been opinionated insults with no substance or any quotes from anyone of reputation stating differently. As expected, you've been keeping your head buried in the sand on this subject because DeLonge and Elizozndo aren't the only two who have made statements regarding these possible ties to religion or the unseen.

And I can handle any discussion about UFOs/aliens on this forum with logic, common sense and reason, something you've shown you can't. Sick to facts/truth. Let's stay away from insults. Stick to the OPs.

Sticking to YOUR facts is only going to keep your head buried in the sand and talking in circles forever, which is precisely WHY there has never been disclosure. You'd never be able to handle the truth or accept it anyway. There's nothing logical based on our science that explains the levels of speed, turns, or disappearing acts that these UFOs are capable of performing, so you might as well throw in the towel and find another hobby.

a reply to: 0bserver1 Look at it this way. We know that we are only part of the big picture and cannot yet experience areas of God (or the creative force in the universes) from our current stand point here on earth. Our minds usually can not go there in most cases. If anyone finds it odd that I mention God stuff here , that is ok because I believe that all these things are connected.

a reply to: bluemooone2
True everything is connected, but to what extent are the choices we make not following our own progress and discoveries to learn from that makes it dangerous to blindly follow something that's way past our own evolution.

Those are not simple questions ?

Totally agree and it is always a bad idea to follow anyone or anything blindly. It is not a good idea to seek these things out because as humans we are prone to following our own imagination and sometimes being led to strange places. Been there done that. Right now I am more interested with how advanced our stuff may be. a reply to: 0bserver1

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: idusmartias

There are people who will never believe or understand what is behind the phenomena.
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Maybe you need to stay in the aviation project forums if you can't handle these types of discussions.

And, pray tell, what human(s) is/are qualified to provide an answer for others to believe in or understand the phenomena? Give us a name you feel or know is qualified.

And since I've never visited the "aviation project" forum I'll stay here and bust your chops unless you provide some intelligence in your replies.

a reply to: ConMi27

My pilot thoughts on today's UFO congressional hearing

You have separate 'pilot thoughts'? What are those, like 'pilot light' but dimmer?

But seriously, what the heck is "UFO congressional hearing"?

Do you mean 'Congressional UFO-hearing' per any chance? Why switch word order into the nonsense realm like that?