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originally posted by: Turquosie
I don't think society will ever come to an agreement on abortion but we can still compromise. Not everyone believes in your christian beliefs regarding abortion and God.
America is NOT a christian nation. It is a nation that welcomes all relgions and beliefs with respect to each other's persuit of happiness.
Compromise is the only solution and until you do so, it's just going to be an endless debate that never gets solved and takes up valuable time that could be used to solve issues that can actually be solved.
If right wingers don't like lefties pushing LGBTQ stuff and forcing their beliefs, then right wingers shouldnt be forcing their religious beliefs and ideology on them.
Not sure why people think "my way or the highway" mentality will solve anything. Plus, aren't right wingers for LESS government control?
originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: carewemust
The Magma Chambers under Yellowstone are Rapidly Filling Up , there could be an Eruption sometime in the Near Future . Cally and the Western States will Suffer the Most if that Happens . Something to Think about other than Hu Mon Politics IWI ..........
Correction - America is a fallen Christian nation - never forget that. The freedoms you speak of and cling to are a direct result of Christianity - freedom and the support of God given rights.
originally posted by: Turquosie
a reply to: TTU77
Does God really care about abortion? He killed a ton of first-born children to spite a king in the old testament. If this is the God you're talking about, I doubt he cares.
"Thou shall not kill" and all these so-called religious people are upset at abortion because they think it is killing; but say little ot nothing of all the conflicts America is in or supports that kills thousands of innocent lives.
Christianity is full of hypocrites. If God truely was going to pass "judgement" on us. He would have done so many years ago. Progressive ideology isn't suddenly tipping the scales of right and wrong.
originally posted by: Turquosie
a reply to: TTU77
Does God really care about abortion? He killed a ton of first-born children to spite a king in the old testament. If this is the God you're talking about, I doubt he cares.
"Thou shall not kill" and all these so-called religious people are upset at abortion because they think it is killing; but say little ot nothing of all the conflicts America is in or supports that kills thousands of innocent lives.
Christianity is full of hypocrites. If God truely was going to pass "judgement" on us. He would have done so many years ago. Progressive ideology isn't suddenly tipping the scales of right and wrong.
originally posted by: Turquosie
a reply to: TTU77
Correction - America is a fallen Christian nation - never forget that. The freedoms you speak of and cling to are a direct result of Christianity - freedom and the support of God given rights.
I find this so silly. What was christian about American in the past? We had widespread slavery and then treated blacks as less than whites in many states. We killed countless native Americans to obtain this land.
What was so christian about America that made it a "fallen christian nation". We never started out with christian values in the first place. Then again, most nations that adopted religions like christianity, islam, and judiasm never really followed the main messages either.
America was never some utopian christian nation of morality and virtue. It was founded on slavery and theft of native Americans. All this new-age progressive stuff that you may disagree with pales in comparison to the horrors America has done in the past. And even still does. Lets not forget about all the wars and conflicts we supported for our own agendas.
I understand wanting to have pride in your country but when people pretend like America used to be some holy great Christian nation, it just sounds like they never read any history. Or are being ignorant.
I agree with your sentiment towards corruption. It is widespread. Although, corruption has existed in the past, this is just a much larger array of corruption by corporations controlling politicians.
originally posted by: Turquosie
a reply to: TTU77
I grew up catholic and read much of the bible. Main point was that, if you truely believe in christian values, then America was never a "christian" nation at heart.
Why I left religion is mostly due to the massive amounts of hypocrisy and cherry-picking of morals. Morality is much better if derived from one's heart and compassion. It is so often twisted and minipulated if one relies on religious doctrine since that is interpreted in so many differn't ways.
If America was a christian nation, then it was only because christianity is deeply flawed and immoral. If you believe in christianity of only doing good to others and loving God's creations, then America was never that. You can't pretend you follow that morality and still be knee-deep in slavery, murder, theft, and greed.
This desire for America to return to it's glory days of christian morals so often forgets what America was actually like. It's a comfort nostolgia for white christians who are ignorant of history.
Out of more than 600 laws of Moses, none comments on abortion. One Mosaic law about miscarriage specifically contradicts the claim that the bible is antiabortion, clearly stating that miscarriage does not involve the death of a human being. If a woman has a miscarriage as the result of a fight, the man who caused it should be fined. If the woman dies, however, the culprit must be killed
"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
"And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth . . ." Ex. 21:22-25
The bible orders the death penalty for murder of a human being, but not for the expulsion of a fetus.