Anti Putin news flood in Lenta.ru proKremlin news site.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Your friends and i have same observations. Somehow i feel sorry for them but as a scandinavian i was curious to see and experience it. I am not even sure which is worse money driven US or Russia. Scandinavian mentality is down to earth, i believe we are most happy ( proven many times ) and contented of our lives. In US and Russia the problem seems to be too much area and too much power to selected ones and not so well working governments which leads to unhappiness also corruption. Harder to handle and easier to corrupt.

a reply to: Grimpachi


"Claiming they indiscriminately level building is BS propaganda"


I take it you haven't seen what russia did to Marioupol, kharkiv, and popsana?

The mayor of Marioupol claimed that russia has destroyed EVERY building over 2 stories tall, and most building 2 stories or less.




I dare you to find a single building that russia didn't destroy in Marioupol or Popsana (though I saw a few sheds and garages still standing).

russia tried to do the same thing to Kiev and Karkiv, but were repelled before completely destroying those cities.

Just yesterday, russia cruise missiled yet another shopping mall in Odessa, this time with hypersonic missiles, you know, in case the shipping mall tried to fight back.

Zero soldiers were in the shipping mall, like all the other shopping malls destroyed by russia, and zero russian troops were anywhere near Odessa at the time.

russia just wanted to destroy another Ukrainian shopping mall full of civilians.

So russia destroyed another Ukrainian shopping mall full of civilians.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

This war is dirty. Can we even call it as a war so many civilians killed on purpose. Last time something like this happened was holocaust.

originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

This war is dirty. Can we even call it as a war so many civilians killed on purpose. Last time something like this happened was holocaust.

russia isn't even calling it a war.

(Is russia still arresting russians who dare call it a war?)


I'm not on board with the genocide or holocaust stuff though, russia hasn't gone quite that far yet as far as we know, though we don't really know what's happening in those russian concentration camps yet.

It is however, a very brutal invasion to steal Ukrainian land and resources, and russia has been indiscriminately killing a whole lot of civilians in the process.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

It is one of those things that really stands out to me. I keep seeing people state that it is a sovereign nation as if that is some great sacred thing. I have asked several times why it matters but have never got a real answer.

Lybia was a sovereign nation but that didn't stop NATO a supposed defensive alliance from becoming an alliance of aggressors so being a sovereign nation can't be that important.

The justification for attacking Lybia was their civil war was getting a lot of people killed so we bombed the hell out of them killing more people than their civil war did.

Now if you look at Ukraine wasn't that a civil war with the DPR? Either it was a civil war or the DPR was a sovereign nation which seems very important to people now.

IMO there are a lot of aspects between the two that can be equated.

The whole "sovereign nation" thing seems like it is a programmed response or statement that people say without really knowing why they are saying it. I don't have cable or a TV. I am wondering if the media says "sovereign nation" a lot whenever they talk about the war. I am getting the feeling this is another "he crossed state lines" thing.

It is just really odd.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Libya was NOT invaded by NATO with the intent of NATO ruling over it.

Honestly, get some sense of perspective?

a reply to: dollukka

I lived in Costa Rica for a few years. The people there are generally happier. Less connected to social media and TV is barely watched by anyone. People are friendlier and more connected to others. It was a great experience. Coming back I really noticed the difference and IMO it is driven by the media we consume.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Libya is one of the third countries, they have a lot of inside problems and violence. Ukraine is not a third country and was able to cope by itself. Libya was in 170 of 175 least corrupt countries in 2018 so issues there were quite serious ones and you really can´t compare Libya with Ukraine it is totally wrong.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Would that be the First Libyan Civil War, where NATO was asked to intervene by the UN or the Second Libyan Civil War where the West was asked to intervene by the sitting government?

Either way, I fail to see the comparison to Ukraine.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

You are right. Here is some perspective. We left Lybia as a steaming pile of rubble. Slavery is a huge thing there now. In no way is it better than before we intervened. By all accounts, the DPR is going to be the ones keeping territory, not Russia but Russia is already moving to help rebuild Mariupol. The only ones that are not going to be welcome there are those such as Azov.


I am betting that if Lybians had any choice in the matter they would have chosen Russia over NATO's "help" if they could have gotten the same treatment.

a reply to: Grimpachi

I hardly never watch tv.. i watch the news and some netflix/prime /hbo. Maybe because i am working three-shift work as a nurse and have no time for social media either. I do spend quite a time watching ATS tho.
Rural areas are the best and i believe a nation developes best when there is no hurry to develope.. just having time to correct all kind of issues state and civilians of country have.

a reply to: dollukka

Ukraine is known as the most corrupt country in Europe. The DPR has been begging for help for 8 years and Ukraine became a magnet for Neo-Nazi groups from across the world.

A lot of American neo-Nazis were going over there to get combat experience and then coming back to train their own cells.

Ukraine was copping but what about the DPR?

I am not saying the two are completely equal because there are differences. For one, Russia shared a border and the people in Mariupol did feel a kinship with Russia. Mariupol voted to leave Ukraine in 2015 to join the DPR but of course, nothing came of it, and Azov based themselves there and became the true rulers of the place. Which wasn't good for the ethnic Russians living there.

a reply to: Grimpachi

"Russia is already moving to help rebuild Mariupol."

How nice of them. Will they be bringing back from the dead all those civilians that they killed, too?

a reply to: Grimpachi

You are wrong Russia was more corrupt than Ukraine.. they were close tho.
2021 least corrupt countries
Libya is in place 172
Ukraine is 122
Russia is 136

research

a reply to: Grimpachi

By all accounts, the DPR is going to be the ones keeping territory, not Russia but Russia is already moving to help rebuild Mariupol.

The presence of Sergei Kiriyenko in Mariupol and statements made by Kirill Stremousov in Kherson would indicate that Russia is planning on integrating the occupied areas.

a reply to: dollukka

I don't disagree.

IMO, the US went wrong somewhere. Maybe naturally or maybe it has been directed that way. I really feel like most of the division in the country is being purposely perpetuated and it is by design. Every election year it became pretty obvious to me how it is being driven.


I really don't see it getting better. This thing with Russia has me concerned about several things. The media and social networks are being blockaded or pulled out of their country. IMO it isn't to punish them it is to keep us in the dark. Social media accounts being banned that show videos from the other side. Accounts are being demonetized. They are controlling the information and I don't believe for a second it is to protect us.

If you really think about it if our governments were as solid and righteous as they would have us believe then they would have encouraged the social media companies to continue service in Russia because it would have sowed more dissent there than the other way around.

There are really only three places that I know about where info from Russia isn't censored. Here, Telegram, and Bitchute, maybe Odessy but I don't have an account there to test it.

Then there is the Ministry of truth thing the government is pushing. Add in the The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 which removed all prohibitions on targeting US citizens with propaganda and it becomes a recipe for an Orwellian society.

As for the media, my signature says what I think about them.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Grimpachi

By all accounts, the DPR is going to be the ones keeping territory, not Russia but Russia is already moving to help rebuild Mariupol.

The presence of Sergei Kiriyenko in Mariupol and statements made by Kirill Stremousov in Kherson would indicate that Russia is planning on integrating the occupied areas.

It's already started, russia held a fake russian 'election' in Kherson last week.

Also banned Ukrainian currency and schools there last week.

lavrov has repeatedly said that russia intends to permanently steal any Ukrainian land that russia is able to occupy, and that russia intends to occupy as much Ukrainian territory as their military is able to conquer.

originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: Grimpachi

You are wrong Russia was more corrupt than Ukraine.. they were close tho.
2021 least corrupt countries
Libya is in place 172
Ukraine is 122
Russia is 136

research

I don't know how they are judging that.

Take for instance the US. Special interest groups through lobbies spend millions in "donations" to get politicians to vote their way which in most developed countries would label that as bribes but we call it freedom of speech.

Do they factor that as corruption? What I am saying is I think that poll could be subjective.

Edit to add

signing off for a while. I need to get some things done.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Where do you get your claim that Ukraine "is the most corrupt country in Europe" from?

a reply to: dollukka



This covers the headlines as well as Lenta.


a reply to: Oldcarpy2
out of thin air