The Thunder Sings..? Contemplating the Seven Thunders of The Book of Revelation.

Hi folks,

This will be quite a short OP - more of a call for your thoughts than an exposition of my own.

How many of you recall the story of the Seven Thunders of the Book of the Revelation of St John? It's always been a fascinating mystery to me, and I have some thoughts which I will share, but to begin with here's the actual scriptural quote:

Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven, surrounded by a cloud, with a rainbow over his head. His face shone like the sun, and his feet were like pillars of fire. And in his hand was a small scroll that had been opened. He stood with his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land. And he gave a great shout like the roar of a lion. And when he shouted, the seven thunders answered. When the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write. But I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Keep secret what the seven thunders said, and do not write it down.” Then the angel I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand toward heaven. He swore an oath in the name of the one who lives forever and ever, who created the heavens and everything in them, the earth and everything in it, and the sea and everything in it. He said, “There will be no more delay. When the seventh angel blows his trumpet, God’s mysterious plan will be fulfilled. It will happen just as he announced it to his servants the prophets.”

Revelation 10: 1 - 7

There are points of commonality with the end of the Book of Daniel, which I quote here for comparison:

“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. Many of those whose bodies lie dead and buried will rise up, some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting disgrace. Those who are wise will shine as bright as the sky, and those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars forever. But you, Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal up the book until the time of the end, when many will rush here and there, and knowledge will increase.” Then I, Daniel, looked and saw two others standing on opposite banks of the river. One of them asked the man dressed in linen, who was now standing above the river, “How long will it be until these shocking events are over?” The man dressed in linen, who was standing above the river, raised both his hands toward heaven and took a solemn oath by the One who lives forever, saying, “It will go on for a time, times, and half a time. When the shattering of the holy people has finally come to an end, all these things will have happened.” I heard what he said, but I did not understand what he meant. So I asked, “How will all this finally end, my lord?” But he said, “Go now, Daniel, for what I have said is kept secret and sealed until the time of the end. Many will be purified, cleansed, and refined by these trials. But the wicked will continue in their wickedness, and none of them will understand. Only those who are wise will know what it means. ......... “As for you, go your way until the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days, you will rise again to receive the inheritance set aside for you.”

Daniel 12: 1 - 13 (with a minor redaction to avoid complication)

Both of these apocalyptic excerpts involve the need to seal up the prophecy & keep a particular part of it secret from those who are living in the times at which the prophecy is given. I'm particularly interested in what the seven thunders' spoken commands/exegesis/prophecy could have involved. It also brings to mind the Apostle Paul's translation into the third heaven, during the time of his travelling ministry, during which he heard things of which it was apparently not lawful to speak amongst men & women of that time period..

I was caught up to the third heaven fourteen years ago. Whether I was in my body or out of my body, I don’t know—only God knows. Yes, only God knows whether I was in my body or outside my body. But I do know that I was caught up to paradise and heard things so astounding that they cannot be expressed in words, things no human is allowed to tell.

This really begins to unlock my own suspiscion regarding these sealed prophecies & forbidden exegeses... I believe that possibly, we are edging towards things concerning the far-off future, which could not possibly be explained sufficiently to the people of that time period - inventions & customs which would be so extremely removed from what they themselves were accustomed to in terms of their general knowledge of the world & the practices of Mankind, that they would cause some sort of mass formation psychosis if they were spread abroad amongst the people of that time. Potentially this could involve the awareness of powerful machines & computing, 'chariots' of metal & 'weapons which shoot fire like dragons', and so on. But there could also be shades of far deeper meaning, perhaps occult information regarding the nature of the soul & spirit of Mankind, the subconscious mind, dreams, OOBEs, astral projection & such like (indeed, Paul already seems aware that one can be projected beyond one's body, it seems to have happened to him in this particular instance, hence it could be relevant that he includes that information).

What are your thoughts, particularly regarding the Seven Thunders? I'm deeply fascinated with uncovering the meaning of these things - I recall Jeremiah 33 v 2-3, which reads:

“This is what the LORD says—the LORD who made the earth, who formed and established it, whose name is the LORD: Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you great and hidden things that you have not known.

I actually engraved this scripture on a titanium bracelet which I have worn on my wrist for almost ten years. I believe that God wishes to reveal these mysteries at this time, and a major part of my spiritual practice involves calling upon the LORD for wisdom to be revealed in my dreams, in particular. I have long had very vivid, long-lasting & deeply memorable prophetic & spiritually expositive dreams, which often take the form of grand performances, where mysteries are dissembled during the course of the theatre which is unfolding. As for the matter of the Seven Thunders, I have heard nothing so far, and I wonder greatly about what it may involve.

Does anyone here have any inkling of what may be involved? I have had greater expression of meaning concerning the portion of the Book of Daniel which I quoted earlier - but not Revelation 10... Your thoughts would be most welcome!

Thanks,


FITO.

7 thunders are likely referring to the 7 Trumps that will sound throughout the Earth. Each releases something on the Earth that will make the evil ones tremble. The evil and their crimes that will be exposed are the types of things we see today. This all seems to line up with some thing major in the spiritual world is happening now and it is Biblical. That people call right wrong and boys transgenders who were put in the wrong body today sure is similar to Sodom and Gomorrah where almost no one was righteous. I suspect that evil has not been loosed on the Earth at rate of this before.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Paul and the other Apostles taught the first century church that the "Harpadzo" would take place before the Tribulation. They usually referred to it as " the Blessed Hope". Rapture is not in the Bible because that is Latin Vulgate. Harpadzo means violently snatching away. A way to describe this, is, You see your grandchild going into the street just as a speeding vehicle barrels down the street toward them. You reach out and grab the child by the collar and violently jerk them out of the way of danger.

The second coming is different. The second coming is at the end of the Tribulation, after 58% of the planets population is dead due to famine ( a days wages for a loaf of bread, Ukraine grows and supplies the largest portion of wheat on the planet........), pestilence, giant hailstones, extreme solar activity, including Corona mass ejections, and what appears to be the Sun cycling off and back on as well. Many believe that Apophis will hit the Earth in 2029. There is also a giant earthquake that takes place worldwide, that will level cities, split mountains, and move islands

The Blessed Hope can occur anytime now, and will likely happen before the man of sin is revealed. The 7 year Jubilee in Heaven, will be taking place at the same time as the 7 year tribulation on Earth. At the end of both Jubilee and Tribulation, Yeshua Hamashiach (Lion of the tribe of Judah) returns with the Saints in tow. Those are the same saints that were raptured, and those saved previously.

The 7 thunders may have something to do with with the second coming. It would be sealed until the end times, but would be somewhat easily calculated after the 7 year trib begins. I believe that both Harpadzo and second coming dates were withheld from the Son of Man portion of God until He ascended. Satan wouldnt have known either. He is afterall the enemy.

For several years I pondered the mid trib and post trib theories, until I discovered what Paul had taught the first century Christians. Also, there is another amazing mystery that Paul touched on that pertained to the relationship of the Groom to the Bride becoming one. Think about those words for a second. Those Thunders could relate to that as well.

Be ready now! Trim your wick! Make sure you have enough oil in your lamp. Dont fall asleep and awaken to find your lamp ran dry, when the Groom arrives.He will come as a thief in the night for the Harpadzo, but not at the second coming at the end of the Trib. There will be no sharing of the oil.

Behold He comes, riding on the clouds, shining like the Sun, at the trumpet call!

Enjoy!

a reply to: visitedbythem

Actually I would say the rapture is in the bible. You just have to know how to look for it.

Matthew 24.

25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6

12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Revelation 7

9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

There's you're Rapture event. It's a part of the opening of the 6th seal of Revelation. Matthew 24 describes the gathering on the Earth. Then Revelation 6 and 7 also describe what happens on Earth then the gathering of the Raptured in heaven.

You have the sun turning black and the moon red as blood. There's an earthquake that sounds like it might even be a pole shift resulting in a rearrangement of the mountains and islands. Then the elect are gathered and placed on the sea of glass before the throne. In the white robes and holding palm leaves.

It is not a greek or Hebrew word. It is Latin Vulgate. Harpadzo is rapture. There are theories that there may be multiple gatherings of Christians. People will be becoming Christians during the Tribulation. The Holy Spirit will still be here seeing to that. The two witnesses will be busy witnessing. The remnant of Jews (144,000) will also be evangelizing the world. There will even be an Angel doing some form of witnessing from the sky. Many newly converted Christians will be beheaded for their faith, and be in Heaven asking God " How long before you avenge our deaths. All kinds of things will be going on, but a majority of humanity will refuse to repent.
I too, call it " the Rapture"

You do know there have been raptures already. Harpadzo. Caught up to be with God. Enoch and Elijah come to mind. Philip was caught up after baptising the Eunuch he saw reading the scroll in his chariot. That was also Harpadzo, but not to Heaven. He was caught away to another place on Earth

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

This website usually gives a great interpretation and I agree with this particular one...

The incident of the seven thunderous voices occurs in the interlude between the sixth and seventh trumpets. The seven thunders are not just the usual noise of thunder but are thunder-like voices communicating a message. The Greek word translated “thunder” means “to roar.” Thunder is often a mark of judgment in Scripture as in 1 Samuel 2:10, 2 Samuel 22:14, and several more places in Revelation (8:5, 11:19, 16:18), so these seven powerful voices are crying out for God’s judgment upon the sinful earth. The thunder represents the voice of God. Psalm 18:13 says, “The LORD thundered from heaven; the voice of the Most High resounded.”

Further evidence of the seven thunders being the voice of God is in Revelation 4:5: “From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God.” Again the voice of God is depicted as thunderous rumblings that display the power, majesty and glory of our mighty Lord. In this verse, John saw a preview of the divine wrath to be poured out on the earth as described in full in Revelation chapters 16—19.

www.gotquestions.org...

So, in my opinion, the 7 thunders and voice of God also represents the 7 angels who blow the 7 trumpets and release the 7 bowls of judgement upon the earth. At the time of the 7th trumpet, Revelation 10:7 tells us that the mystery of God will be finished. Revelation 11:15, 17 tells us more about what happens when the 7th angel sounded. The temple of God was opened in heaven and all is declared His. God makes himself known before He unleashes the seven bowls of wrath upon the earth starting in Revelation 15:1.