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originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Themaskedbeast
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Themaskedbeast
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Snarl
originally posted by: Annee
Does the responsibility still fall on her
Yes. You point the gun ... someone dies ... it's your fault.
Rule #2. Never aim a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Says someone who is pro-gun and familiar with guns.
Not everyone is. That's why they have hired professionals on set.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
He had a gun pointed it and now a woman is dead at best it is manslaughter and worst murder.
Either way Baldwin had a gun fired it and a woman died the law is clear whether or not he knew it was loaded is irrelevant.
Do they have a felony murder law there? Without that, I don't see how it can be murder, unless there was some motive we're not aware of.
I think manslaughter is the most you could say. Let's not go hyperbolic like the anti-cop nutjobs who call every felon who tries to wrestle with a cop and gets shot a murder victim.
After watching the clip of Baldwin when it happened the look he is giving the camera is kinda sinister.
He looks closes his eyes looks again eerily then closes and opens draws fires. Could be he hated her and knew it was loaded.
Conspiracy site and all.
He's literally on the set of a movie. It doesn't occur to you that that's just him being in character?
It's a conspiracy site, but we shouldn't just make things up out of thin air. Especially when there's a readily identifiable and perfectly logical alternative explanation staring you in the face.
That’s funny. I’m a trained ccw carrier, and have taken multiple tactical trainings, and have multiple certifications as a body guard. I’m also quite well versed on the 2a.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: UsedtoTieKnots
It’s ok. I get it. You’re obsessed.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: UsedtoTieKnots
Seriously. Who cares?!? You people are obsessed. It’s unhealthy.
Yes, who cares that we have a two-tiered justice system.
The brainwashing worked extra well on this one. Thrilled to have overlords who can get away with manslaughter.
This was an accident. On a co trolled set. Not a murder.
I don’t like Baldwin. The way he treated his kid is appalling. But stop pretending you care about anything other than the fact that he is a liberal.
I literally just told someone it wasn't murder. And accident doesn't always necessarily mean free of legal culpability.
The same people who justify gun violence based on rights are the same of you here trying to condemn an accident.
The partisan obsession here is disgustingly apparent.
Yeah you sound like someone whose only knowledge of 2A advocates comes from Moms Demand press releases. Most 2A people abhor negligent accidents. I myself have called for negligent parents whose children were hurt or killed by an unsecured gun to face charges, on this board.
The only partisan obsession here is with people trying to make excuses for the man because of who he is. For the record, I haven't the faintest clue of the politics of the other producers or the director, and I've been saying they should be charged as well.
You're completely off-base in every single part of this post. You made a ton of incorrect assumptions, not that I expect you to just be an adult, admit you got some things, wrong, and move on to healthy discussion.
originally posted by: Themaskedbeast
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Snarl
originally posted by: Annee
Does the responsibility still fall on her
Yes. You point the gun ... someone dies ... it's your fault.
Rule #2. Never aim a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Says someone who is pro-gun and familiar with guns.
Not everyone is. That's why they have hired professionals on set.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse:
You didn’t say anything. At all. You tried to take shots, and made no factual statements.
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: UsedtoTieKnots
None of that addresses anything I said nor corrects any of the off-base assumptions you made.
It's also common for anti-gun extremists to claim they're gun owners for credibility.
Based on your previous falsehoods, I'm not exactly inclined to believe you. Perhaps if you had been truthful from the start I might. That's the problem when you lead with dishonesty. Even if you want to have reasonable discussion after that you've already shot yourself in the foot, no pun intended.
But even if I gave you the benefit of the doubt, again, none of that changes the fact your assumptions were wrong.
You didn’t say anything. At all. You tried to take shots, and made no factual statements.
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: UsedtoTieKnots
None of that addresses anything I said nor corrects any of the off-base assumptions you made.
It's also common for anti-gun extremists to claim they're gun owners for credibility.
Based on your previous falsehoods, I'm not exactly inclined to believe you. Perhaps if you had been truthful from the start I might. That's the problem when you lead with dishonesty. Even if you want to have reasonable discussion after that you've already shot yourself in the foot, no pun intended.
But even if I gave you the benefit of the doubt, again, none of that changes the fact your assumptions were wrong.
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Themaskedbeast
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Snarl
originally posted by: Annee
Does the responsibility still fall on her
Yes. You point the gun ... someone dies ... it's your fault.
Rule #2. Never aim a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Says someone who is pro-gun and familiar with guns.
Not everyone is. That's why they have hired professionals on set.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse:
Please site that exact law for me.
I really want to know.
I'm on mobile and cannot link.
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Themaskedbeast
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Snarl
originally posted by: Annee
Does the responsibility still fall on her
Yes. You point the gun ... someone dies ... it's your fault.
Rule #2. Never aim a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Says someone who is pro-gun and familiar with guns.
Not everyone is. That's why they have hired professionals on set.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse:
Please site that exact law for me.
I really want to know.
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Themaskedbeast
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Snarl
originally posted by: Annee
Does the responsibility still fall on her
Yes. You point the gun ... someone dies ... it's your fault.
Rule #2. Never aim a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Says someone who is pro-gun and familiar with guns.
Not everyone is. That's why they have hired professionals on set.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse:
Please site that exact law for me.
I really want to know.
originally posted by: UsedtoTieKnots
You didn’t say anything. At all. You tried to take shots, and made no factual statements.
It's okay if you don't believe me.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Themaskedbeast
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Snarl
originally posted by: Annee
Does the responsibility still fall on her
Yes. You point the gun ... someone dies ... it's your fault.
Rule #2. Never aim a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Says someone who is pro-gun and familiar with guns.
Not everyone is. That's why they have hired professionals on set.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse:
Please site that exact law for me.
I really want to know.
If you're genuinely interested to hear about the legal angle, give this a read. I suspect you'll just write it off without reading it because you don't like the site, but the source is an attorney, not some media pundit.
You care because he is anti-gun. That’s the only reason.
originally posted by: Themaskedbeast
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Themaskedbeast
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Snarl
originally posted by: Annee
Does the responsibility still fall on her
Yes. You point the gun ... someone dies ... it's your fault.
Rule #2. Never aim a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Says someone who is pro-gun and familiar with guns.
Not everyone is. That's why they have hired professionals on set.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse:
Please site that exact law for me.
I really want to know.
If you're genuinely interested to hear about the legal angle, give this a read. I suspect you'll just write it off without reading it because you don't like the site, but the source is an attorney, not some media pundit.
That was a good breakdown of the law 👌 I said the same as he did although I over exaggerated the murder point.
It is manslaughter guess we wait and see.
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Themaskedbeast
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Themaskedbeast
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Snarl
originally posted by: Annee
Does the responsibility still fall on her
Yes. You point the gun ... someone dies ... it's your fault.
Rule #2. Never aim a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Says someone who is pro-gun and familiar with guns.
Not everyone is. That's why they have hired professionals on set.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse:
Please site that exact law for me.
I really want to know.
If you're genuinely interested to hear about the legal angle, give this a read. I suspect you'll just write it off without reading it because you don't like the site, but the source is an attorney, not some media pundit.
That was a good breakdown of the law 👌 I said the same as he did although I over exaggerated the murder point.
It is manslaughter guess we wait and see.
Manslaughter
There are two kinds of manslaughter: Voluntary and involuntary. Voluntary manslaughter means someone committed a crime, usually a felony, that caused an injury resulting in death. Because voluntary manslaughter and second-degree murder have different punishments, some defendants admit to the killing as a means of avoiding the second-degree murder charge.
Involuntary manslaughter means someone was unintentionally killed because of another person’s recklessness. For example, if a drunk driver kills someone, they will likely face involuntary manslaughter charges. When prosecutors attempt to prove involuntary manslaughter, they must demonstrate that a reasonable person would know that the act was harmful or could cause death.
Accidental Killing
An accidental killing is precisely that. It is a case where someone performs an act they believe is reasonably safe or is made in the defense of another, and it results in someone’s death.
www.bradbaileylaw.com...#:~:text=Many%20people%20confuse%20manslaughter %20with%20accidental%20killing.%20They,are%20two%20kinds%20of%20manslaughter%3A%20Voluntary%20and%20involuntary.
What law is he above?
A. Negligent use of a deadly weapon consists of:(1) discharging a firearm into any building or vehicle or so as to knowingly endanger a person or his property;
(2) carrying a firearm while under the influence of an intoxicant or narcotic;
(3) endangering the safety of another by handling or using a firearm or other deadly weapon in a negligent manner; or
(4) discharging a firearm within one hundred fifty yards of a dwelling or building, not including abandoned or vacated buildings on public lands during hunting seasons, without the permission of the owner or lessees thereof.
Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice.A. Voluntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed upon a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion.
Whoever commits voluntary manslaughter is guilty of a third degree felony resulting in the death of a human being.B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.
Whoever commits involuntary manslaughter is guilty of a fourth degree felony.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Annee
What law is he above?
New Mexico Article 7 - Section 30-7-4
A. Negligent use of a deadly weapon consists of:(1) discharging a firearm into any building or vehicle or so as to knowingly endanger a person or his property;
(2) carrying a firearm while under the influence of an intoxicant or narcotic;
(3) endangering the safety of another by handling or using a firearm or other deadly weapon in a negligent manner; or
(4) discharging a firearm within one hundred fifty yards of a dwelling or building, not including abandoned or vacated buildings on public lands during hunting seasons, without the permission of the owner or lessees thereof.
New Mexico Article 2 - Section 30-2-3
Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice.A. Voluntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed upon a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion.
Whoever commits voluntary manslaughter is guilty of a third degree felony resulting in the death of a human being.B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.
Whoever commits involuntary manslaughter is guilty of a fourth degree felony.
Did Alec Baldwin kill someone? Yes, admitted to and proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.
Did this act result from the omission of commonly known and commonly accepted rules of firearm safety? Yes, admitted by Alec Baldwin and proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.
The negligent act is a petty misdemeanor; the death resulting from the negligent act is a fourth-degree felony, punishable by
- up to 18 months in prison
- up to a $5000 fine
- inability to possess or use a firearm for life.
Any more silly questions?
TheRedneck
When prosecutors attempt to prove involuntary manslaughter, they must demonstrate that a reasonable person would know that the act was harmful or could cause death.