IYO - How Long Will Putin Put Up with President Biden Enabling the Deaths of Russian Soldiers.

One way Russia can counter British arms supply to Ukraine is by supplying arms to Argentina. Argentina is a big threat to Falklands.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: opethPA
a reply to: carewemust

So lets see if we can summarize this with some actual facts added in....

1. Russia Invades Ukraine thus triggering a War between Russia and the Ukraine.
2. Russian's kill soldiers and citizens from Ukraine
3. Ukraine kills invading Russian soldiers
4. Various Right Wing (AB) and Mercenary (Wagner) along with others from both the Ukraine and Russia are probably killing anyone
5. Lots of countries , including the US , help Ukraine (see point 1 below for actual facts)
6. President Biden enabling the deaths of Russian Soldiers
7. When will Russia attack US Citizens?

It's interesting to me that no where in your post do you hold Russia accountable? It's interesting that no where in your post do you say "Russia should stop invading the Ukraine" . Nope, once again its Biden who is your target, not the country that invaded.

What is the logic or motivation there?

1.

At least 30 countries have provided security assistance to Ukraine since the Russian invasion began. In 2022, the Department of State authorized third-party transfers of defensive equipment from more than 14 countries, a number that continues to grow as Allies and Partners increase support to Ukraine.

www.whitehouse.gov...#:~:text=At%20least%2030%20c ountries%20have,Partners%20increase%20support%20to%20Ukraine.

Everyone knows what Russia did. I like brevity. My question is how long will be before Putin/Russia kills some Americans in retaliation? (He may kill citizens of other arming countries too, but Biden has bad-mouthed Putin personally, so he's probably the primary target for retaliation, imo.)

I just don't see it that way, I am sorry.

Can you give me the examples of Biden badmouthing Putin?
Does any of that deter or detract from the fact that Russian invaded the Ukraine?

I also think Putin realizes invading and then going to war with the Ukraine would not be the same as attacking and then going to war with the US so that is most likely a sufficient deterrent.

Also, Russia has been keen to capture western arms in Ukraine for reverse engineering. A number of NLAW, Javelin for example have been captured. So if I were Putin I wouldn't complain. As for heavy weapons like howitzers, good luck getting them across the Dnipr river without a bridge.

originally posted by: JAY1980
If Ukraine wasn't getting all this "aid" from America the nightmare would be over. But this is what we get/deserve for electing people who are financially incentivised for war.

Just one more thing for Biden voters to bury their head in the sand about...

Trump gave billions in weapons to Saudi Arabia, which uses them against Yemen. He also increased drone strike usage while canceling the civilian death report. Pretty silly to play partisan politics, when both sides are mostly pro-war.

Unless Biden has a rabbit in his hat that we don't know about, continually escalating the situation doesn't seem well thought out. The macho attitude of western nations might not be so self-assured if they considered all of the ramifications, such as America has been lagging behind China, Russia and North Korea on the hypersonic missile field.

The hypersonic missiles in use or in testing in China and Russia can apparently carry either conventional warheads, aimed at ships and other small military targets, or nuclear ones, aimed at cities and government centers. These ship killers could deprive the United States of its preeminence at sea, which is more than enough reason for China, for instance, to develop hypersonics. But a nuclear-armed version that leaves the defender too little time to launch a retaliatory strike would do even more to shift the balance of power, because it would dismantle the painstakingly constructed system of deterrence known as mutually assured destruction, or by the jocular acronym MAD.

Boost-glide missiles are now operational. China appears to have deployed the first one, called the Dongfeng-17, a ballistic missile that carries glide vehicles. Some of those gliders are billed as capable of knocking out U.S. Navy supercarriers. For such a mission it need not pack a nuclear or even a conventional warhead, instead relying on its enormous kinetic energy to destroy its target. And there's nothing that any country can now do to defend against it.
US intervention is quickly taking this beyond hand-to-hand combat, and that should have everyone concerned. Macho armchair mercenaries rooting for further escalation might want to consider where further involvement may lead the world.
“Those things are going so fast, you're not going to get it," General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in March, in testimony[PDF] before Congress.
You might think that you give up the element of surprise by starting with a ballistic trajectory. But not completely. Once the hypersonic missile comes out of its dive to fly horizontally, it becomes invisible to sparsely spaced radars, particularly the handful based in the Pacific Ocean. And that flat flight path can swerve a lot. That's not because of any AI-managed magic—the vehicle just follows a randomized, preprogrammed set of turns. But the effect on those playing defense is the same: The pizza arrives before they can find their wallets.

[spectrum.ieee.org...]

originally posted by: spacedoubt
Meaning the post is, well, a big reach.
An attempt to ignore previous history.

I'd argue that the current narrative offering excuses for *why* US aid to the Ukraine is necessary (namely "Ooohhh gotta stop scary Russia, they're a danger to the whole west if not stopped") is an attempt to ignore previous, very recent history. Bottom line here, I'm not sure Russia would be much further along in the Ukraine in absence of the western aid machine... so why meddle in this at all? Why piss Putin off when ignoring him yields results that wouldn't negatively impact the USA or Americans in any way?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: carewemust

Daily life analogy: If a neighbor on your left, gives a neighbor on your right a loaded gun, and that neighbor shoots someone in your family with the gun, you would file charges against both neighbors.

What a ridiculous analogy. It completely ignores the fact that these "family members" are breaking into the "neighbor's house" in an attempt to kill the "neighbor."

Russians are being killed by ammunition the neighbor on the right (USA) gives it's neighbor on the left (Ukraine).

originally posted by: loufo

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
What's Putin going to do to the USA? Nuke us? Invade? LOL!

Go for it. I dare him. And then kiss Russia and the US off the map, along with Europe, China and others.

I say, if we're ever going to use the damn things, can we do it while I'm on the planet. Earth could ask for nothing more than for our miserable selves to self-destruct. And as I perish, I'll smile, because I know, the Earth and its future inhabitants, will do just fine when we are gone.

Or it doesn't happen. Who knows? Can't predict the future. And it's even more difficult during war time.

there are nuclear weapons that only wipe out a small town, the surrounding area is spared, is not contaminated, only the town will be uninhabitable for a long time. it seems the russians are hoping for nato to join the war. to have a reason. lets all hope that doesn't happen. if you look at the horrible (nazi-style) rhetoric in the russian media, they openly talk about genocide. everything is possible. everyone should be concerned.

We wouldn't be having these concerns if our internal Anti-American traitors had not illegally installed worthless piece-of-sh'it Joe Biden in the White House. Obama was right on that point. Joe is dangerous.

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a reply to: scraedtosleep

originally posted by: CptGreenTea

originally posted by: JAY1980
If Ukraine wasn't getting all this "aid" from America the nightmare would be over. But this is what we get/deserve for electing people who are financially incentivised for war.

Just one more thing for Biden voters to bury their head in the sand about...

Trump gave billions in weapons to Saudi Arabia, which uses them against Yemen. He also increased drone strike usage while canceling the civilian death report. Pretty silly to play partisan politics, when both sides are mostly pro-war.

You realize those were SALES not "gave" 🤓

a reply to: carewemust

Guns and ammo don't kill people, people kill people. That's like the Republicans motto, is it not? So using your logic, somehow Russia is defending itself against the west? Because Ukraine is using American provided weapons? Probably should turn in your NRA card now....

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: carewemust

They've already been making strikes on these shipments...the media just doesn't report on it...

What do we have...huge warehouses full of weapons, ready to be shipped to anyone/anywhere? Zelenskyy is also asking for tanks. Do we have extra tanks to give away too?

I wonder how much armament we're supplying compared to the other contributors. As Trump used to say, everyone used us like suckers. It still could be that way, with Trudeau-Canada sending Ukraine $1,000 in aid, for every $100,000 we send.

Something to research and have ready for those who crow about this being a "multi-national effort supporting Ukraine".

originally posted by: Mantiss2021

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: carewemust

Daily life analogy: If a neighbor on your left, gives a neighbor on your right a loaded gun, and that neighbor shoots someone in your family with the gun, you would file charges against both neighbors.

What a ridiculous analogy. It completely ignores the fact that these "family members" are breaking into the "neighbor's house" in an attempt to kill the "neighbor."

Exactly!

Conveniently left out of the OP's analogy is the fact that before the neighbor on the right gave the neighbor on the left that loaded gun, which they ultimately used to shoot some in your family, You illegally broke into their home, and began shooting their family and robbing them!

In this little fantasy, "you" are getting what you deserve and you can stick your "charges" where the sun don't shine.

The police, if called in on this drama, would likely arrest you for robbery and assault/murder, find your neighbor to have been justified for self-defense, since they were in their own home; and chalk your other neighbor, the one providing the gun, to be just a "neighbor helping a neighbor" keeping their home and family safe.

The police would arrest the neighbor on the right (USA) for giving the neighbor on the left (Ukraine) deadly weapons to kill the neighbor he (Ukraine) did not like (Russia)....regardless of which of those two neighbors started it, the USA should have not supplied deadly weapons.

originally posted by: donteventrip
I think Putin has planned for all this outside support to happen. I think he will just keep destroying the weapons in-transit to the front. yes, many weapons will get to the front, but it won't matter as the Ukrainian military infrastructure is all but destroyed. Russia controls the skies. That's the decisive factor here, I think.

I'm really glad Vladimir Putin took proactive action to destroy the facilities that would be used to prepare and repair any fighter-jets the USA was being pressured into facilitating transfer from Germany to Ukraine.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: loufo

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
What's Putin going to do to the USA? Nuke us? Invade? LOL!

Go for it. I dare him. And then kiss Russia and the US off the map, along with Europe, China and others.

I say, if we're ever going to use the damn things, can we do it while I'm on the planet. Earth could ask for nothing more than for our miserable selves to self-destruct. And as I perish, I'll smile, because I know, the Earth and its future inhabitants, will do just fine when we are gone.

Or it doesn't happen. Who knows? Can't predict the future. And it's even more difficult during war time.

there are nuclear weapons that only wipe out a small town, the surrounding area is spared, is not contaminated, only the town will be uninhabitable for a long time. it seems the russians are hoping for nato to join the war. to have a reason. lets all hope that doesn't happen. if you look at the horrible (nazi-style) rhetoric in the russian media, they openly talk about genocide. everything is possible. everyone should be concerned.

We wouldn't be having these concerns if our internal Anti-American traitors had not illegally installed worthless piece-of-sh'it Joe Biden in the White House. Obama was right on that point. Joe is dangerous.

I hate Biden
I Hate Biden
I HATE BIDEN

Your hate is affecting your cognitive abilities, don't let Biden own so much real estate in your mind. Every thread you write has the same theme. Get help

IYO - How Long Will Putin Put Up with President Biden Enabling the Deaths of Russian Soldiers.

The question is :
How long will "We The People" put up with Biden's ignorance ?

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Xevin
a reply to: carewemust

Russia been arming US enemies my entire life. If Obama had armed Ukraine we would not be where we are today.

Right up until February 24, 2022, Ukraine didn't think it needed more weapons, because their intelligence told them Russia was not going to invade.

I don't know where you get your Intelligence but maybe change that.
Belarus was a huge staging operation that the US intelligence to my knowledge knew in January. And I'm sure to many beforehand.
Russia did this to themselves. I feel bad for the people that have been fed complete lies getting them prepped for a full scale war.
They utilized America at a tipping point that many countryman don't trust each other. And that will be a sad oversight.
One would think that doing so is a very very bad idea.
I am not really a god fearing man but right now I will say a prayer for all humankind. People are playing with fire. And I am getting my home ready.

25 days before Russia crossed the border into Ukraine...

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Friday publicly downplayed the threat of an imminent Russian invasion, adding to the dissonance between Kyiv and Washington.

His remarks put more daylight between the Ukrainian government and the assessments of U.S. officials, who repeatedly have warned that Moscow could move its troops across the border at any moment.

Speaking at a news conference in Kyiv, Zelenskyy accused Western media reporting of undermining Ukrianians’ faith in their government and stoking economic panic across the nation.

Source: www.politico.com...

Just 8 days prior, The President of the United States of America gave Russian President Vladimir Putin the Green Light/OK to invade Ukraine.

JOE BIDEN tells Putin he can invade Ukraine, so long as it's not too large of an invasion.

Source: slate.com...

a reply to: carewemust

Aren't we obligated to help Ukraine. As is Russia if they're ever attacked.

originally posted by: CptGreenTea

originally posted by: JAY1980
If Ukraine wasn't getting all this "aid" from America the nightmare would be over. But this is what we get/deserve for electing people who are financially incentivised for war.

Just one more thing for Biden voters to bury their head in the sand about...

Trump gave billions in weapons to Saudi Arabia, which uses them against Yemen. He also increased drone strike usage while canceling the civilian death report. Pretty silly to play partisan politics, when both sides are mostly pro-war.

Every President has authorized arms sales to Saudi Arabia.
And other countries as well .

Now , for the Yemen subject .
It IS NOT against the entire country .
You have never heard of the Houthis , have you ?
What the group is ?
What they have done ?
How many Arab countries have came out against them ?

Going forward , please learn something of the subject BEFORE you post .

Denying ignorance .
Why ?
I only have the time for the most OBVIOUS examples nowadays .

a reply to: carewemust

So if your brother broke into my house looking to kill me and I defend myself, you think the cops should not only arrest me but the gun store I got my weapons from?

You certainly aren't sounding much like a Conservative there.