Noah’s Flood and my ah-ha moment

I’m Christian raised by a parent who was both a Christian and a science teacher. I have always tried to blend the two worlds (Science and Christianity) so that I can better understand what is written in the Bible.

Noah’s flood always intrigued me. I never doubted that a worldwide flood occurred because it is well supported by science. I did always wonder about the “fountains of the great deep” described in Genesis 7:11.

Over the years I have latched onto different theories about what might have happened. Up until recently rapid catastrophic plate tectonics vs rapid polar shift were my leading theories to explain fountains of water rising up from the surface of the earth.

That all changed this past week.

After watching the movie “Moonfall” the other evening I realized the writers actually landed on a very logical explanation for what is described in Genesis 7:11.

If any object of significant mass passes close to the earth then the object will pull against the surface of the earth. In the movie Moonfall the CGI guys did a great job of showing how the gravitation pull of a massive near earth object (in the movie it was the moon) could cause pillars of water to rise up from the surface of the earth.

The movie overall was just ok…but the scenes where the moon passes very close over the surface of the earth were impressive.

Crustal displacement, as Chan Thomas and Charles Hapgood wrote about is another theory I like to to ruminate on.

My big hang-up was always Noah's Ark- and along came cloning. The answers are there; we're just not advanced enough to find them, and those who think outside the box are usually laughed into obscurity.

The Book of Genesis states that it rained for forty days and nights. Plus I thought that the deep was the deep ocean waters.

Or maybe a comet hit the massive amount of ice accumulated during the last ice age and the kinetic energy melted enough to flood the coastal regions and cause "The Flood." About 12,000 years ago, remembered in myth and legends the world over. Not really that mysterious.

The good news is whatever happened back then….Noah was warned and had time to prepare.

The ark makes sense to me and blends well with what I have been taught about both science and about Christianity.

An “all-knowing” God (or a more advanced being) would be able to recognize that disasters can happen, is most likely able to accurately forecast, predict, instigate or create these events and could prepare accordingly.

The ark makes sense to me. Noah was warned of the disaster and was told to gather up a sampling of life on earth for safekeeping.

We are currently advancing as a species. We recognize that we don’t know everything about the universe. To protect our world we currently have repositories of seeds (example: the Svalbard Global Seed Vault), animal embryos (Example: Beckman Center for Global Research - Frozen Zoo) , and multiple locations where human eggs, sperm and embryos are cryogenically stored. There is also currently a proposal to set up similar “arks” or repositories up on the moon abcnews.go.com...

What happened afterwards when the waters receded and the ark landed…I am still working through my theories on that.


a reply to: nugget1

Have you seen anything on mud floods?

This seems more plausible worldwide

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
The Book of Genesis states that it rained for forty days and nights. Plus I thought that the deep was the deep ocean waters.

The specific passage I was referring to was Genesis 7:11. In this passage the waters are described as erupting from the earth or as fountains of the great deep. The imagery provided is that of water rising up from below like a fountain.

I have included a link that lists this passage as written in several different versions of the Bible.

biblia.com...

a reply to: Buvvy

perryponders.com...


As well as water trapped in mineral form there is probably also water in subcrustal aquafers perhaps even oceans of it.



These are just random from a quick search of the internet and I have not watched to check there quality.

But keep faith.

Science is Compatible but 'interpretations' of that science often are not, it is how it is interpreted that matters the science itself is neutral but this bias on both sides can lead to skewed opinion's and interpretations of the data provided.

Christ is real simple as that.

originally posted by: LastFirst
Have you seen anything on mud floods?

This seems more plausible worldwide

Tried watching some of the mud flood videos….have to watch in small doses because I have a hard time keeping an open mind. Pretty far out there theories.

Thank you! I will watch these in the morning. a reply to: LABTECH767

a reply to: Buvvy

We have witnessed it in recent history before.

The Great Midwest Earthquake of 1811

www.smithsonianmag.com...

Thousands of fissures ripped open fields, and geysers burst from the earth, spewing sand, water, mud and coal high into the air.

Here is a good video on it.

It came from above and below, and the most important part of the story, is something you brought up. Noah was tipped off. If fact I think he may have been informed 100 years prior to the flood.

Governments seem to like to pretend that the ark is make believe. Guess what? My family lived near Harput, in Turkey, near the base of mount Ararat up until 1913, when we were tipped off by prophecy. We came to the US as instructed. Everyone who stayed there was murdered a few years later just as the prophecy foretold.
There is a book that tells our story, named " The happiest people on Earth".

My grandfather told me in 1965 that the ark was still high up on the mountain, frozen in solid ice and not visible, except when there had been a drought for at least 15 years consecutive. He went on to say it was in one piece and petrified. A giant stone ocean liner so high up on the mountain, that people rarely ventured there. On occasion, they did, and people from the village had been on it reportedly over the centuries. There were supposedly artifacts people took and had in those villages.
I also heard that there was a great earthquake sometime before 1920, and a portion of the stern broke off and tumbled down the mountain. My family was never on it, nor did he say our family had seen it, but it was very common knowledge it was up there. My great grandmothers uncle was appointed Minister of Finance for the entire Ottoman Empire in the late 1800s by Hamid 2nd ( the Bloody red Sultan). He was also in charge of the royal treasury

Here is My great Grandmothers uncle Hagop Kazazian Pasha ( Ruler)

originally posted by: Buvvy

originally posted by: LastFirst
Have you seen anything on mud floods?

This seems more plausible worldwide

Tried watching some of the mud flood videos….have to watch in small doses because I have a hard time keeping an open mind. Pretty far out there theories.

Landslides and liquefaction.

Those don't crossover into the mudflood vids, even though they seem to be the same to me.

a reply to: Buvvy

Science and religion are not as mutually exclusive as many make out and believe.

a reply to: Buvvy
Noah is knower.

Knowers arc.

It makes me laugh how people read the bible literally..... it's all metaphor pointing to what actually is.

Look into ''the knower and the known'...what is knowing what?

Now is when to look because looking and knowing can only happen presently.

Saint Francis of Assisi said:
"What we are looking for is what is looking."

Watch 'Alan Watts - Aspects of Knower and Known" on YouTube.

The knower and known are two aspects of the one......knowing.

A stick has two ends.....but in reality is one stick.

Knower and known are wedded together.....

Noah's arc is the arc of knowing.... ever present 🎁.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Buvvy

We have witnessed it in recent history before.

The Great Midwest Earthquake of 1811

www.smithsonianmag.com...

Thousands of fissures ripped open fields, and geysers burst from the earth, spewing sand, water, mud and coal high into the air.

Here is a good video on it.

Interesting video. The video doesn’t identify the trigger for the sudden catastrophic tech tonic plate shift. What is written in the Bible supports there was a triggering event.

Catastrophic plate tectonics was one of the theories I had considered previously (possibly triggered by a pole shift).
However, Noah’s warning was well in advance - and pole shifts are very difficult to predict.

A massive object approaching the earth and the gravity of that object influencing the surface of the planet would be a predictable event that could be forecast by 100 years. I do believe that a massive object passing the earth could trigger everything seen in the video.

originally posted by: visitedbythem
It came from above and below, and the most important part of the story, is something you brought up. Noah was tipped off. If fact I think he may have been informed 100 years prior to the flood.

Governments seem to like to pretend that the ark is make believe. Guess what? My family lived near Harput, in Turkey, near the base of mount Ararat up until 1913, when we were tipped off by prophecy. We came to the US as instructed. Everyone who stayed there was murdered a few years later just as the prophecy foretold.
There is a book that tells our story, named " The happiest people on Earth".

My grandfather told me in 1965 that the ark was still high up on the mountain, frozen in solid ice and not visible, except when there had been a drought for at least 15 years consecutive. He went on to say it was in one piece and petrified. A giant stone ocean liner so high up on the mountain, that people rarely ventured there. On occasion, they did, and people from the village had been on it reportedly over the centuries. There were supposedly artifacts people took and had in those villages.
I also heard that there was a great earthquake sometime before 1920, and a portion of the stern broke off and tumbled down the mountain. My family was never on it, nor did he say our family had seen it, but it was very common knowledge it was up there. My great grandmothers uncle was appointed Minister of Finance for the entire Ottoman Empire in the late 1800s by Hamid 2nd ( the Bloody red Sultan). He was also in charge of the royal treasury

Here is My great Grandmothers uncle Hagop Kazazian Pasha ( Ruler)

What an amazing piece of history! Thank you for sharing!

The flood myths are all badly translated

They are not literal

They are talking about the process of astrospiration, by which a planet develops its atmosphere, through a phase-exchange relationship with the other planets in the "solar system"

How water "fills" everything in this world. Creates the atmosphere, at the same time it aggregates mass, as a balanced opposite

It then tells you how literally every element is formed from the bridge "water", by either turning it incrementally inwards, or outwards, on itself. And then making combinations of what is produced

Literally every element can be made from water

They aren't speaking of water itself, so much as describing the bridge that carries everything, which we see as water from our perspective within the system on this Earth (it is relative)

In context? Evaporation "columns" from the Earth, moving up to fill the clouds

The "Torah" talks about fundamentals of vector-exchange and equilibrium (the correct translation of El'ohim) within a toroidal environment

Torah is literally the geometric shape "Torus/Taurus"

These are also the lost, or misunderstood principles of Alchemy

They knew very well back in those days they could make any element from a base of water

Today, we are yet to rediscover these simple principles

I have schematics for a simple electrical reduction binary, that should allow you to create any element you want from water. The principles are very simple once you realise it

The important part is understanding that electricity is water, unraveled

And that water, is highly condensed electricity

We think that water is H2 combined water O

When in fact there is only 1 Hydrogen, with 2 poles, visible within spectrum, because it is isolated in microcosm

We normally only see the one "internalised" pole of Hydrogen, because the counter pole exists outside our resident spectrum. But there are always 2 poles

The negative opposite of this unseen pole, is visible to us, within the -1 relationship between O(8) and N(7)

That -1 difference is, essentially, the negative polarity of what we view as H(1)

It isn't the negative pole itself. Only the visible counter, that must exist in all positive/negative exchanges within a microcosm/macrocosm embodiment. Negative, creates negative-negative, which needs be balanced to positive-positive, which then carries on another increment (and degree) upon, within, and around itself (it works in both directions. What cards more complex inwards, must also become more complex outwards)

The "2" Hydrogen that we see, are essentially like the 2 poles of our planet (EXACTLY like)

They are phase-conjugation EM vortices, which hold each other together

(Insert principles of gravity/magnetism relative to (toroidal) cyclical opposing forces here ... I have a very detailed document I wrote detailing all of this, if you want it)

You can counter balance the (microcosm) medium (O), which is the bridge, and unravel them. And when you do, it produces electricity

ALLOT of electricity, from very, very little water

Scientists are looking at things like Hydrogen fusion backwards

I have detailed schematics for how to balance electrical charge, to pull continuous current from water. That you could pull massive amounts of electricity from, and the only fuel you would ever need, is a little water every now and then

No charging needed

I also have designs for smaller "solid state" variants, using calcite/lime and cobalt/lithium, to draw power, without the need for charging ... Ever (well, theoretically ... A large cobalt/lithium set could run for a hundred years or so, without needing to be replaced. Maybe more)

Flood myths are pretty common, and sometimes do go hand an hand with the ideas of creation. In older believe systems, it usually involves raging giant avatar creatures that represent earth an sea. They then usually end up get slain by a tiny storm/sun warrior God, and their corpse formed the rest of the earth.

I'm of the opinion that the Bible passage about the Nephilim was the rise of Homo Sapiens, and that Neanderthals could swim alot better, an just got bred out later being the true offspring of Abraham an all that jazz with the side burns an beard and rocks an spears.

a reply to: Compendium

Are you certain about that or is that simply your belief?.

Given your use of the image of the Ibis headed idol also known as Thoth or as Hermes (Hermetic cultists) by others this should be relevant to your argument.


And Proto88 as for those raging deity's, think again the earth was INVADED by fallen angels (ET's regardless of how you want to describe them as spiritual or physical they remain ET's) whom had displaced mankind and stolen the world with hybrid settlers colonising, destroying our eco system and generally turning the earth into a cesspit, go and read the book of Enoch.

Want some evidence that there was at least ONE Noah but maybe more than one?.

Guess what there are at least TWO ship's one petrified and either far older (Previous epoch or the same?) or simply preserved in a different way by turning into a fossil.

I have no doubt it is A Noah's Ark but was it the same Noah or were there actually several Noah's?.
And so is this one which is definitely OUR Noah's Ark.


Want some more video's.


What about EYE WHITNESS account's.
noahsark.it...


What about evidence that the dating of rock strata which you were taught in school could be a load of BULL and in fact vast areas of the stratification could have been lain down in a vast deluge.


There are fossilized tree's that have been found growing through several strata that are supposedly several million years apart, how does a tree live that long?.

Now even if you don't want to believe in OUR God then accept that some benign entity saved what was left of the native humanity from a malignant alien invasion of the earth and cleaned it up then resettled us the native humans back on our homeworld.

But between you and me GOD IS REAL.