The Soho enigma - Very latest photos

LITTLE BACKGROUND INFO :

Source : www.iwasabducted.com...

Hundreds of anomalous objects photographed near the sun since 2001 have captured the attention of UFO enthusiasts. These objects are reported to have been photographed by the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO). SOHO is a NASA spacecraft that monitors the sun's activity. The observatory is located 1 million miles away from Earth.

UFO investigators claim that the saucer shaped craft were moving in a manner that suggested intelligent control, and additionally, they believe that the images are proof of alien life.

BBC reports that NASA originally dismissed the images as comets, asteroids, or the result of a camera fault. NASA now refuses to make further comment on the objects.

In January 2003, the images went on display at the English National Space Centre in Leicester. Mr. Mike Murray, founder of the UFO group Euroseti, had commented to BBC about the SOHO UFO pictures:

"Some of the pictures are real crackers. They are the archetypal flying saucers; Disc-shaped objects with some kind of glow around them. Many have a pulsing light and leave a trail behind them. They come from all angles and directions. There's one especially which is really fabulous. It is a glowing disc with a pink disc-shaped object within the glow, and a turret on the top. I think it's absolutely irrefutable that this couldn't be anything other than a machine."

Murray obtained the photos from a businessman in Barcelona, Spain, who in turn received them from SOHO using a giant satellite dish from outside his home. From January 2001 through January 2003 about 700 such pictures have been collected.

Murray continued, "The first thing we did when we got the images was to speak to NASA, who said it was a camera fault. But by enhancing the images we proved this wasn't the case."

NASA then suggested to Murray that the questionable images were either comets or meteors, but this did not explain the independent movement of the objects, nor the fact that they also made turns.

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LATEST PICTURES OF SOHO :

I found a site with the very latest pictures of Soho (last one is dated of yesterday). Some of the anomalies really look like spacecrafts.













Here is the site : soho.no.sapo.pt...

They all come to a point on one side, so which side is the "up" side, and which side is the "down" side. I think that there would have to be a differance to prove the presance inteligent control. Aliens that fly upside down arn't inteligent.

Err, would it matter as there is no gravity?

Then why are the 'space craft' not geometrically symetrical in this way?

I have some photographs taken by SOHO of the object in the second picture, taken in different periods in time, with a difference of months and even years.
I don't think it could be anything else than ufos.
I would like to post those pictures here, how can I? i'm new around here so I don't know how.

Are those authentic pictures or are they recreated facsimiles of what is being seen? They look kind of like an 80's Atari Game system era graphic pasted onto a picture of the sun.

They look kind of like an 80's Atari Game system era graphic pasted onto a picture of the sun.

Agreed... but I think the sun is just colored out to give a better view of the "craft".

those could have very easily been super imposed.

i do however believe in UFO's diligently foreging our system for life boreing matter, and they could very well be harvesting the suns energy in a manner in which we are not yet familiar.

Have a look at the SOHO website here . This states (as a FAQ):

"What are those flying saucer-shaped objects in the LASCO images?

The "funny-looking spheroid" is a typical response of the SOHO LASCO coronagraph CCD detector to an object (planet or bright star) of small angular extent but so bright that it saturates the CCD camera so that "bleeding" occurs along pixel rows. There is a bright horizontal streak on either side of the image, because the charge leaks easier along the direction in which the CCD image is read out by the associated electronics. .....

....If you point a video camera at a very bright source (say, the Sun), the image "blooms" or brightens all over --- there are so many electrons produced in the pixels corresponding to the bright source that they spill over into adjacent rows and column, perhaps over the entire detector. Better CCD's will "bleed" only along the fast readout direction (a single row), and perhaps a few adjacent rows. ....

....A few of the LASCO images that have appeared on the "extraterrestrial" Web sites show much larger and brighter, but still saucer-like features. These images are in fact obtained with the instrument door closed, but with an incorrectly long exposure. The big "saucers" result from massive pixel bleeding along every row of the detector containing part of the image of the "opal," or small diffusing lens, in the instrument door, that is used for obtaining calibration data.

If your correspondents still prefer to believe that the pixel-bled images of planets or bright stars are something else, ask them why the extended part of the "saucers" (i.e., the pixel bleeding) always occurs in the same direction relative to the image --- even when the spacecraft is rolled relative to its normal orientation relative to the Sun. " (my emphasis).

Discussing shapes and sizes of these thingys has not much sense imho. I mean if these are real UFOs we have no idea of the used and necessary technology.

The dish shaped design could be very effective for interstellar travel or maybe even necessary because of some physical issues we don´t even know yet. It could even just be the the most trendy design for them lol

Anyways we have no idea of their needs and their understanding of technology. Do they need sleep and living quarters? Do they have a sickbay? A science lab? Do they need storage rooms? Food supplys? How do they generate their energy?
These are all facts that flow into a certain design. Maybe even we discover the bonuses of such a dish design somedays if we advance in space propulsion.

Look at the B2 making its jump through the sound barrier. If you would show this picture to someone 50 years ago no one would believe its an airplane.




I personally think that humans would rather tend to build huge space monsters and enormous cruisers if you ask me. Thats because i got a book from my parents when i was a young kid where tons of UFO cases where listed. One of them described a farmer somewhere in the US who once saw an UFO in his garden and got a telepathic message about alien cultures worrying about the increased nuclear radiation earth is emitting.
He also claimed they told him that earth is well known through the galaxy for our extreme diversity of life forms and that weare visited often because they just want to see it (to the aliens its a paradise planet, some kind of intergalactic zoo because of all the animals and plants).
He also mentioned that other alien races are fascinated of our creativity and the way we always try to top our own achivements.

So somedays we could be known for our gigantic spaceships with flame decals on them and antimatter turbo injection. I mean look at the skyscrapers, sport cars, battleships, oil tankers and so on....it´s always bigger faster better crazier for us. Maybe they dont know this feeling so they just follow mathematical facts to develope their stuff...which always leads to the same design....

Hey now that i mention it...if i´m still alive and this is happening...i will open up the first Need for Lightspeed:Subspace spacecraft tuning store lol. With all the nice toys you need to beat any solar storm! Maan i could design some nasty looking spacecrafts i think!

By the way, great post! I love these SOHO photos!

[edit on 1-4-2005 by Hangover]

Originally posted by Hangover.... I mean if these are real UFOs we have no idea of the used and necessary technology....

I thought the article above showed that the objects aren't in fact "UFO's" but residual images caused by leakage in the ccd's themselves? As stated there:

"...ask them why the extended part of the "saucers" (i.e., the pixel bleeding) always occurs in the same direction relative to the image..."


No axe to grind though - and, I agree, the images from SOHO (Solar and Heliospheric Observatory) are fascinating

Originally posted by AlfredENewman
Have a look at the SOHO website here . This states (as a FAQ):

"What are those flying saucer-shaped objects in the LASCO images?

The "funny-looking spheroid" is a typical response of the SOHO LASCO coronagraph CCD detector to an object (planet or bright star) of small angular extent but so bright that it saturates the CCD camera so that "bleeding" occurs along pixel rows. There is a bright horizontal streak on either side of the image, because the charge leaks easier along the direction in which the CCD image is read out by the associated electronics. .....

....If you point a video camera at a very bright source (say, the Sun), the image "blooms" or brightens all over --- there are so many electrons produced in the pixels corresponding to the bright source that they spill over into adjacent rows and column, perhaps over the entire detector. Better CCD's will "bleed" only along the fast readout direction (a single row), and perhaps a few adjacent rows. ....

....A few of the LASCO images that have appeared on the "extraterrestrial" Web sites show much larger and brighter, but still saucer-like features. These images are in fact obtained with the instrument door closed, but with an incorrectly long exposure. The big "saucers" result from massive pixel bleeding along every row of the detector containing part of the image of the "opal," or small diffusing lens, in the instrument door, that is used for obtaining calibration data.

If your correspondents still prefer to believe that the pixel-bled images of planets or bright stars are something else, ask them why the extended part of the "saucers" (i.e., the pixel bleeding) always occurs in the same direction relative to the image --- even when the spacecraft is rolled relative to its normal orientation relative to the Sun. " (my emphasis).

Murray continued, "The first thing we did when we got the images was to speak to NASA, who said it was a camera fault. But by enhancing the images we proved this wasn't the case."
NASA then suggested to Murray that the questionable images were either comets or meteors, but this did not explain the independent movement of the objects, nor the fact that they also made turns.

So Nasa said first it was ccd anomalies, then comets and meteors. This remember me US Airforce in 1947

Originally posted by Musclor...So Nasa said first it was ccd anomalies, then comets and meteors. This remember me US Airforce in 1947

Well, each to his - or her - own Muslor. However, i'm still not convinced these are anomalies ie pictures of genuine UFO's - for the reason already quoted above. I'd be really impressed if one of these "discs" was closer to the camera - or, perhaps, a diffrent shaped craft was photographed - as it is, they all look the same (as far as i know) and seem to have the same angular dimensions - exactly as I would think a reisidual defect in the ccd's would appear? But, I'm no expert ....

And as for Roswell: well, you can take your pick on that one as well - and, as the 60th anniversary approaches - and eye-witnesses disappear (through natural causes) - will we ever know what really occured? The jury is still out IMO.... I'd love to believe it but where is proof positive??

Sure could be

But if you ask me...lets say there are 2-3 real SOHO UFO potos. So all they need to do is to pump out as much photos as they like that fit their own explenation. The real photos would then be stated as errors in image processing or whatever.
Í mean these are Space Agencies. They could tell us everything. Every theory is as good as another. Nobody has the necessary equipment at home to do a double check.

As i remember correctly the first SOHO UFO photo ever encountered was posted at the NASA homepage in the image gallery section. It caused a small shock through the web and NASA put the picture offline only a few hours later stating the picture was posted by accident. Hu? After everything calmed down they started spreading SOHO photos with UFO like objects without any further comments. Most of them are very similar and the really good photos went rare pretty fast.

I also saw a very good photo once with no pixel bleeding. The UFO object looked absolutely stuning with a small trail behind it.I looked abolutely perfect with an interesting trajectory that looked like a close fly by of the sun. Sadly i lost it when my storage drive suffered a headcrash..i will post it when i find it somewhere.

I don´t believe statements from NASA and ESA on such things. They get payed by their governments like all the secret service agencies do. So im sure everything is double checked before it goes online or public. Money is everything today.

Originally posted by Hangover...I don´t believe statements from NASA and ESA on such things. They get payed by their governments like all the secret service agencies do. So im sure everything is double checked before it goes online or public. Money is everything today.

Can't disagree with you Hangover.

OK,I'll have another stab at this one: IF the SOHO images ARE those of genuine UFO's, how come they are released on "official" (NASA) websites at all?? Because of the close monitoring of such photo's (as you suggest) before being uploaded, wouldn't it be easier to simply "lose" them instead and not make them available in the public domain??

Originally posted by AlfredENewman

OK,I'll have another stab at this one: IF the SOHO images ARE those of genuine UFO's, how come they are released on "official" (NASA) websites at all?? Because of the close monitoring of such photo's (as you suggest) before being uploaded, wouldn't it be easier to simply "lose" them instead and not make them available in the public domain??

My theory on this is that some poor bastards are responsible at NASA sorting out all those pictures. I think it simply slipped through...no computer can do this work and human eyes get tired from time to time. Another thought was that someone posted it willing to show it to everybody. Maybe some bored and underpayed NASA employee.

In that case i like to remember one case of a secretary at some secret service agency i once heard about...every time she had to copy secret documents she somehow managed to make another copy for herself.
They found out fast but that shows its possible.

As soon as someone works some time at a certain place..people start to trust him and errors can easily occur unnoticed. Especially if you are responsible for sorting millions of SOHO photos lol.

By the way i found the very interesting photo i was talking about earlier. I scaled the interesting part and copied it into the main picture for better visibility.



You see the trail? Its way too straight to be an erruption from the sun. Also if this would be an asteroid or comet...he would have been burned up way before he gets so close. Also the trail should be more orbit and elipse like....the very high gravitiy of the sun would surely have an impact on something so close and 'uncontroled'. A CCD error should create the same sort of trail in front of the object...but there is none.

Funny thing is that a lot of these pretty real photos where captured and received from SOHO by a spanish business man with his own gigantic radio dish and a favor for astronomy. He just adjusted it so he was able to receive the SOHO datastreams too. It were also his photos which led NASA to the camera error statement and later to the comet/asteroid theory. This photo was NEVER released to public by NASA as far as i know. There are lots more of them!

Anyway it´s hard to tell...for me personal this photo was the cause i considered some of these photos to show real UFOs.

That is a pretty impressive picture! good find

I have put online the filmed interview with Mike Murray explaining these Soho pictures. You can download it here (right click - save as). Interview is 23 minutes long (24 Mo wmv format).

[edit on 1/4/2005 by Musclor]

No matter what they are, these pictures are amazing.

WHEN WAS THAT Mike Murray VIDEO TAKEN?

[edit on 1-4-2005 by meshuggah1324]

I have one question....how is it that these alien craft can flight so close to the sun without being instantly incinerated?