Why did God carry out modern day surgery on Adam to Create Eve?

a reply to: TempleTenSA
Not just the name, the story, although it is the same story is written differently for example:
Book of Jubilees

46 And on the new moon of the fourth month, Adam and his wife went forth from the Garden of Eden, and they dwelt in the land of Elda, in the land of their creation.

47 And Adam called the name of his wife Eve. And they had no son till the first jubilee,

48 and after this he knew her. Now he tilled the land as he had been instructed in the Garden of Eden.

This text clearly shows that adam and eve left eden with no children. Cain never lived in eden so he was never exiled from eden while the story in the bible is more vague about these details.

a reply to: daskakik

You said:

This text clearly shows that adam and eve left eden with no children. Cain never lived in eden so he was never exiled from eden while the story in the bible is more vague about these details.

You keep saying this but you will never answer questions about this statement. I have asked you questions about this 3-4 times and you just ignore the questions and keep posting the same thing. I asked:

If Cain wasn't in Eden, where was the face of the earth?

The face of the earth was different than the earth just like Eden. Cain was wooried that whoever found him would slay him and he would no longer be in the presence of the Lord.

Genesis 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

It clearly states Cain was sent from the presence of the Lord.

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

The presence of the Lord was in Eden and Cain was sent to the east of Eden.

This is why you don't answer questions. You don't want a debate, you just wnt to repeat the same things in a vacuum.

Cain was in Eden and the Bible tells us that Eden was a place and God planted a Gargen in Eden. It doesn't say God Created Eden when He formed Adam. It says He planted a Garden there.

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

I believe Eden is ground zero for all of the stories of an advanced civilization from our past. Higher dimensional beings lived thereand when they descended some of them too on human form as we see throughout the Bible.

I believe that these beings in Eden had dominion over the image and when God formed man and made him in His likeness, some of them became jealous of man's relationship with God.

They once ruled over man(image) and now man was made in the Likeness of God and was with God in the Garden made them jealous. The Bible talks about the Cherub that Covereth.

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

So the Cherub(devil) was in the Garden watching over Adam and Eve.

Here's more verses about Eden:

Genesis 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

Isaiah 51:3 For the Lord shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the Lord; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.

Cain and Abel didn't have access to the tree of life in the Garden of Eden but they still had access to Eden. Cain called it the face of the earth.

Again I ask:

If Cain wasn't in Eden, where is the face of the earth?

If Cain wasn't in Eden, where was the presence of the Lord that Cain didn't want to be banished from?

What land was to the west of Nod since nod was to the east of Eden?

Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

For the Bible to be a myth as you call it, you seem obsessed about it's meaning. You keep saying things that aren't true then when asked about it, you just ignore any questions and move on.

I pray that you and other non-believers find Christ before He returns. God is pouring out His Spirit in these last days.

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

a reply to: neoholographic
You didn't read my post did you?

The book of Jubilees, which isn't in the bible is another source for the same story with added info, mainly:
"46 And on the new moon of the fourth month, Adam and his wife went forth from the Garden of Eden, and they dwelt in the land of Elda, in the land of their creation."

and
"47 And Adam called the name of his wife Eve. And they had no son till the first jubilee

It also mentions the names of the wives and that they were their sisters.

This source fills in some of the gaps in the bible. You are free to dismiss it if you want. Personally, I don't believe either of them but my point was that it exists and that it doesn't match your interpretation.

There is nothing to debate, it actually does exist and it doesn't match your interpretation.

a reply to: daskakik

No, it doesn't refute what I said about Cain, this why you don't answer questions. If it matches the Bible, answer these questions I have asked you 4 or 5 times now.

If Cain wasn't in Eden, where is the face of the earth?

If Cain wasn't in Eden, where was the presence of the Lord that Cain didn't want to be banished from?

What land was to the west of Nod since nod was to the east of Eden?

It's funny, you first called the Bible a myth and said it was full of plot holes, now you're a Christian historian LOL. You can't make this stuff up.

It's like Cooperton said in a previous thread, you seem to disagree for the sake of disagreement because you have no argument.

I just showed you through scripture that Eden was a place that God planted a Garden.

Are you now a believer in the book of Jubilees LOL? What happened to the plot holes? Does the book of Jubilee have plot holes?

edit on 21-4-2022 by neoholographic because: (no reason given)

originally posted by: neoholographic
No, it doesn't refute what I said about Cain...

Sure it does, it says adam and eve left eden childless and settled in the land of Elda.

I don't know where any of these places are. I'm just saying this story doesn't match your interpretation of the one in the bible, which is missing that info.

Are you now a believer in the book of Jubilees LOL?

Derp, "Personally, I don't believe either of them..."

a reply to: daskakik

You said:

Sure it does, it says adam and eve left eden childless and settled in the land of Elda.

Where does it say Cain and Abel was never exiled from Eden? Here's my questions:

If Cain wasn't in Eden, where is the face of the earth?

If Cain wasn't in Eden, where was the presence of the Lord that Cain didn't want to be banished from?

What land was to the west of Nod since nod was to the east of Eden?

You went from the bible is a myth to a historian on the book of Jubilees!

You really help illustrate my points because you make such asinine arguments. Let's play along though. You quoted:

"46 And on the new moon of the fourth month, Adam and his wife went forth from the Garden of Eden, and they dwelt in the land of Elda, in the land of their creation."

Where's your evidence that this Elda isn't in Eden?

They left the Garden of Eden. As I showed you earlier, Eden was a place where God planted a Garden. So Eden was more than just the Garden.

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Since you're an expert on Jubilees now LOL, show me where it says Elda wasn't in Eden and Cain and Abel weren't in Eden then answer these questions:

If Cain wasn't in Eden, where is the face of the earth?

If Cain wasn't in Eden, where was the presence of the Lord that Cain didn't want to be banished from?

What land was to the west of Nod since nod was to the east of Eden?

You have to see how this looks. You call the Bible a myth and say it's full of plot holes, then you try and use the book of Jubilees.

Is the book of Jubilees a myth? Is the book of Jubilees full of plot holes?

You and the Joe guy, who vanished after he tried to act like a Christian traditionalist because he couldn't answer questions, really illustrate my point so keep posting.

originally posted by: neoholographic
Where does it say Cain and Abel was never exiled from Eden?

It says it by saying adam and eve left eden childless, which means cain and abel where never in eden.

If Cain wasn't in Eden, where is the face of the earth?

I don't know, ask the authors of that story.

If Cain wasn't in Eden, where was the presence of the Lord that Cain didn't want to be banished from?

Isn't his presence everywhere?

ETA: That is another plot hole for you.

What land was to the west of Nod since nod was to the east of Eden?

According to the book of jubilees, Elda.

ETA: Utah is to the east of California but so is Arizona. Saying one place is to the east of some other doesn't mean there are not places in between.

Where's your evidence that this Elda isn't in Eden?

In the same place where your evidence that it is happens to be.

Hey maybe even nod is in eden. Did they even have maps then? There were a couple farmers, some housewives and a shepherd, but no cartographer.

Is the book of Jubilees a myth? Is the book of Jubilees full of plot holes?

Yes and yes.

You and the Joe guy, who vanished after he tried to act like a Christian traditionalist because he couldn't answer questions, really illustrate my point so keep posting.

Joecroft didn't act like a Christian traditionalist, they just said that it is a POV that your theories don't coincide with. There is a difference.

a reply to: daskakik

You went from the Bible is a myth and full of plot holes, to I'm not even really reading your replies and now you're the Jubilees expert LOL. You can't make this up.

You said:

It says it by saying adam and eve left eden childless, which means cain and abel where never in eden.

Where does it say they left Eden? You're the Jubilee expert. It says:

"46 And on the new moon of the fourth month, Adam and his wife went forth from the Garden of Eden, and they dwelt in the land of Elda, in the land of their creation."

They left the Garden of Eden not Elda.

Show me the verse that says they left Eden. The Bible says:

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

God planted a Garden in Eden. Jubilees says they left the Garden not Eden. You're the Jubilees expert LOL.

You do realize you're not using the book of jubilees to try and make an argument. A book that's a myth and full of plot holes as you claim. Maybe you don't realize how it looks.

So, answer my questions Mr. Jubilees expert.

a reply to: neoholographic
"Went forth from" doesn't mean leave? Maybe to you, but only to you.

Who cares what the bible says? The whole point was that the bible doesn't say.

God planted a Garden in Eden. Jubilees says they left the Garden not Eden. You're the Jubilees expert LOL.

You do realize you're not using the book of jubilees to try and make an argument. A book that's a myth and full of plot holes as you claim. Maybe you don't realize how it looks.

Actually, I am because my point isn't about whether the book of jubilees is true or not. My point is that it exists and what it says doesn't match the interpretation you made to fill in the gaps that exist in the bible.

Neither of them say they moved to the east side of eden. They say they left the garden and went into a different land only that one says they were childless and allowed you to come up with your theory.

ETA: According to christians, like you, god is everywhere so how could cain go anywhere and not be in his presence? Major plot hole in both versions.

a reply to: daskakik

You said:

Actually, I am because my point isn't about whether the book of jubilees is true or not. My point is that it exists and what it says doesn't match the interpretation you made to fill in the gaps that exist in the bible.

What? It exists?

Listen to what you just said:

You said, I don't know if it's true or not but it exists.

How can it fill in any gaps if you don't know if it's true or not LOL! YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!

How do you know the parts of Jubilees that you're quoting are not loop holes and plot holes?

How do you know the parts of Jubilees your posting is true or not true?

If you don't know if it's true, how can it fill any gaps?

It gets worse for you.

I never said I believe Jubilees. So if you don't believe Jubilees, how can you use something you don't believe is true to fill gaps?

Finally, you said:

Neither of them say they moved to the east side of eden. They say they left the garden and went into a different land.

The Bible says:

Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Again, this is a riduculous argument about the book of Jubillees that nobody believes to be true.On top of that, it doesn't support anything you're saying.

So, we need to move away from something that you don't believe, to something that you do believe. I tried to give your Jubilees argument a listen but you don't even believe it's true so there's no argument. I said:

Is the book of Jubilees a myth? Is the book of Jubilees full of plot holes?

You said:

Yes and yes.

Let's go back over questions you haven't answered unless you're a Jubilees believer now.

Where in the first chapter does it say God Created man in his likeness. Which verse?

Did Cain get thrown off of earth? He had to leave the face of the earth to live among people that weren't on the face of the earth and he was scared to encounter those people.

He sent Cain to the east of Eden. If Cain wasn't in Eden, where is the face of the earth?

If Adam is the same as the image, why did God have to form him from the dust of the ground when he already existed and had dominion over the animals Created in verse 21?

You said:

The idea is that we are souls that also exist outside time and space who incarnated in this simulation and when we are out of the simulation, we are no better or worse than the "peer" that designed the simulation.

You said:

How can a peer in the simulation create the simulation if they were first a floating soul outside of the simulation? Does this peer control the simulation of this afterlife you believe in? Do these floating souls exist in this afterlife and where do they originate?

Like I said, it makes no sense to talk about a book that doesn't support anything you're saying and you don't believe in and I don't believe in unless you're a new convert to the book of Jubilees.

a reply to: neoholographic
You are derping harder than usual.

Obviously both texts exist or I couldn't have read them.

I don't have to believe either to discuss what they say.

I'm not answering your questions because they have nothing to do with my point, another text exists which has more details than the story in the bible and it doesn't match your theory.

That is all I am saying, there is nothing to debate. The point is that it exists and you can't prove its veracity either way.

a reply to: neoholographic

On a side note, what do you think of simulation theory outside of the souls floating around thing?

a reply to: daskakik

You said:

I'm not answering your questions because they have nothing to do with my point

Of course you're not answering questions. You really think you're making a point but you don't want to answer questions about the things you're saying?

If that's logical to you then more power to you. Maybe you will find the peer that created the simulation and runs the afterlife you believe in somewhere in the book of Jubillees. You said:

That is all I am saying, there is nothing to debate. The point is that it exists and you can't prove its veracity either way.

Why should I have to prove it's veracity, I don't believe it and you're the one that mentioned it. How can you make a point in a book you say is a myth and full of plot holes?

How do you know what you're quoting isn't a plot hole or loop hole LOL?

I asked you:

Is the book of Jubilees a myth? Is the book of Jubilees full of plot holes?

You said:

Yes and yes.

You quoted this from Jubilees.

"46 And on the new moon of the fourth month, Adam and his wife went forth from the Garden of Eden, and they dwelt in the land of Elda, in the land of their creation."

How do you know this isn't a plot hole/ Loop hole from what you call the myth of Jubilees?

Let me give you a lesson on logic.

I believe the Bible is true down to every jot and title, so I can quote scripture because my arguments is based on my belief in the Word of God.

You have no argument. How can you base an argument on something you say is full of plot holes and loop holes? How do you know what you're quoting isn't the plot hole or loop hole?

Let me repeat:

You have no argument. How can you base an argument on something you say is full of plot holes and loop holes? How do you know what you're quoting isn't the plot hole or loop hole?

You seem to think you're making a point but again, how can you make a point, when you don't answer questions about the point you think you're making? You said:

I'm not answering your questions because they have nothing to do with my point

You're using the book of Jubilees to make your point.

I ask you if Jubilees is a myth full of plot holes.

You say yes and yes.

I ask how do you know what you're quoting isn't a Jubilees plot hole.

This has everything to do with the point that you imagine that you're making.

You do undrstand that what you're saying is illogical?

a reply to: neoholographic
You don't have to prove anything, but you can't say it doesn't exist or that it doesn't say what it says.

You can say you don't believe it, but that is neither her nor there in regards to my point.

a reply to: daskakik

You said:

You don't have to prove anything, but you can't say it doesn't exist and you can't say that it is wrong without proving it.

You can't think this statement is logical.

How can you use a book you say is a myth and full of plot holes to make a point?

I know you're desperate to argue, but that makes no sense.

You're saying it exists so it proves your point.

With that logic, I can say Christmas exists therefore it proves Santa Claus is real and it's up to you to prove Santa Claus isn't real even though I think he's a myth.

I asked you:

Is the book of Jubilees a myth? Is the book of Jubilees full of plot holes?

You said:

Yes and yes.

Now, you did say you believe in an afterlife. I asked the question:

Who controls this afterlife you believe in? Where did this afterlife originate?

a reply to: neoholographic
I edited that post because it was worded incorrectly.

My point was that there are other versions of the adam and eve story and this is one and what it says doesn't match your interpretation of the one in the bible. There is nothing to debate.

a reply to: daskakik

You said:

My point was that there are other versions of the adam and eve story and this is one and what it says doesn't match your interpretation of the one in the bible. There is nothing to debate.

You have no point.

There's many apocryphal books. You can't say the books exists therefore they make my point LOL.

How can something you say is a myth and full of plot holes make your point.

How do you know what you're quoting from Jubilees isn't a plot hole?

I know what isn't a plot hole, your belief in the afterlife and this peer who created everything.

Who controls this afterlife you believe in? Where did this afterlife originate?

originally posted by: neoholographic
There's many apocryphal books. You can't say the books exists therefore they make my point LOL.

You keep on derping.

It makes my point when my point is that they exist and they are different than the one in the bible.

True but the bible isn't the only source for those stories.

That is why they say in some "hebrew traditions", even the jews can't decide on one definitive version.

originally posted by: Romeopsi
a reply to: neoholographic

On a side note, what do you think of simulation theory outside of the souls floating around thing?

I talked about this a few times and some scientist think that space-time is a quantum error correcting code. This is just more evidence that God Created all things.

With a quantum error correcting code, you need a lot of physical qubits to encode logical qubits. So the information encoded on logical qubits would be spread out over physical qubits. So this would explain why space is so vast. Most of space is doing quantum error correction and protecting the information encoded onto logical qubits.

How Space and Time Could Be a Quantum Error-Correcting Code

The same codes needed to thwart errors in quantum computers may also give the fabric of space-time its intrinsic robustness.

www.quantamagazine.org...

Also, they didn't find any naturalness. Many of these constants of nature exist naturally in high energy states. So a constant that's fine tuned to 120 decimal places needs an explanation.

They said there should be these high energy particles if there's naturalness as you cancel out huge amounts of energy to get to 120 decimal places. They didn't find any of these particles:

The crisis became undeniable in 2016, when, despite a major upgrade, the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva still hadn’t conjured up any of the new elementary particles that theorists had been expecting for decades. The swarm of additional particles would have solved a major puzzle about an already known one, the famed Higgs boson. The hierarchy problem, as the puzzle is called, asks why the Higgs boson is so lightweight — a hundred million billion times less massive than the highest energy scales that exist in nature. The Higgs mass seems unnaturally dialed down relative to these higher energies, as if huge numbers in the underlying equation that determines its value all miraculously cancel out.

link

I wrote more on this here:

Science finds more evidence of God's Creation
www.abovetopsecret.com...

So no mythical peers are needed that somehow float around in space.

originally posted by: TempleTenSA
a reply to: daskakik

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