There is no 2nd coming of Jesus. Judas was the chosen one.

originally posted by: scrounger


sigh

first this "gospel of judas" is at this time a pure work of FICTION (MADE UP).

to use it as a source to determine if he was a hero, devil, sinner, or a one eyed one horn flying purple people eater is worthless.

the only accepted and (loosely) proven source about judas is THE BIBLE

How do you know if what is in the BIBLE is made up or not? Oh that's right, it's "HOLY...." "SACRED" You know the word SACRED is related to SECRET?

Have you even studied who WROTE THE VARIOUS BOOKS? New Testament especially...multiple authors?

And then there is what is WRITTEN. Is that METAPHOR or LITERAL? You can't know unless you were there, necessarily. And things can be both at the same time.

So anything in BIBLE or any other document - ideally should be cross-referenced with ARCHAEOLOGICAL evidence or REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE. And even then, things are open to interpretation, or there is insufficient data to form a firm conclusion.

You conveniently ignore other things I post and repeat the same arguments. No point.....


Guess you wouldn't accept anybody being INNOCENT after the fact....like the INNOCENCE PROJECT exposing mistakes and sham trials.

innocenceproject.org...

"But it's written down - he's a criminal. Convicted. The evidence says he's guilty."

What about ALL the other HOLY books in Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, past religions, Native Religion holy books, etc...etc...Mayan....what about those Greek/Roman gods? What about all the "Science" atheists use.

So the holy infallible argument of the BIBLE is pointless. But you're free to continue on your path. I'll just be ignoring every post from you.

Everybody is right about some things, but wrong about much more. The more you are wrong...eventually, the more you will be right about a certain topic. Considering most people don't study other religions in depth...

In one sense --- you can't know the TRUTH (as well) until you learn how to become the TRUTH. What is TRUTH? What is a LIE? How do you stop yourself from lying about anything? What makes us LIE?

I'll post about that. Also revealing how many lies come from the MIDDLE EAST.

originally posted by: rounda

originally posted by: dontneedaname

originally posted by: rounda
a reply to: dontneedaname

I think you're misunderstanding the Gospel of Judas.

Judas wasn't "the chosen one" as in the Messiah who will return.

Judas was "the chosen one" of the disciples to fulfill Jesus' prophecy that one of his disciples would turn him in to the Romans.

The idea being that it was a necessary act for salvation to occur, thus making Judas a hero instead of a villain.

As Bart Simpson would say - Au Contraire Mon Frere

The video literally explains what I said...

Ahh..but it says he will LEAD THE WAY. No? And you are saying the Gospel doesn't.

It doesn't use the word "Messiah" in the video. Messiah so ingrained in movies, books, culture, it's retarded.

I personally don't like it....but without a leader to show us the way, we'll be like chickens running around wiht our head cut off...like now.

a reply to: dontneedaname

learn to use WORDNAVIGATOR.COM

Not even WORDNAVIGATOR could bring sense to your post.

originally posted by: dontneedaname

originally posted by: rounda

originally posted by: dontneedaname

originally posted by: rounda
a reply to: dontneedaname

I think you're misunderstanding the Gospel of Judas.

Judas wasn't "the chosen one" as in the Messiah who will return.

Judas was "the chosen one" of the disciples to fulfill Jesus' prophecy that one of his disciples would turn him in to the Romans.

The idea being that it was a necessary act for salvation to occur, thus making Judas a hero instead of a villain.

As Bart Simpson would say - Au Contraire Mon Frere

The video literally explains what I said...

Ahh..but it says he will LEAD THE WAY. No? And you are saying the Gospel doesn't.

It doesn't use the word "Messiah" in the video. Messiah so ingrained in movies, books, culture, it's retarded.

I personally don't like it....but without a leader to show us the way, we'll be like chickens running around wiht our head cut off...like now.

His star would lead the way, not that Judas would lead the way.

Earlier in the gospel, Jesus tells Judas his star has led him astray.

Its not a reference to Judas, it's a reference to faith.

originally posted by: scrounger

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: scrounger
a reply to: Smigg

sigh

oh how do you sum up your post

I know, terms like

cherry picking

quotes missing parts

quotes with no context

outright BS

and

I hate religion so twist things

got it you hate religion

scrounger

No you're way off the mark I'm afraid.

oh such a response.. so fact lacking and no counterpoint should be shown in debate 101 class as what NOT TO DO..

so i took just one cherry picked item you chose at random to show how anti religious using an out of context post you are

your quote

How Christ described the evil one

The he "bound a woman for 18 years", Luke 13:16.


now the whole information and context


Indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, the synagogue leader said to the people, “There are six days for work. So come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath.”

15 The Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Doesn’t each of you on the Sabbath untie your ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water? 16 Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?”

17 When he said this, all his opponents were humiliated, but the people were delighted with all the wonderful things he was doing.

not only was this NOT ABOUT THE EVIL ONE but jesus chastising the rabbis (religious leaders) who claimed he was doing wrong / not honoring the sabbath .
he showed that they CHERRY PICKED a law and IGNORED CONTEXT to claim he was not following rabbinic law/ law of moses.

hmm wonder who this sounds like (check your mirror for the answer).

then jesus used THE WHOLE SITUATION/FACTS to show they were WRONG AND IGNORANT.

unlike you they backed down in shame (well at least on that issue).

now that was just ONE RANDOM PASSAGE you wrote and with .025 sec google search for the WHOLE PASSAGE and at most one minute to compare your claim to the facts.. DISPROVED your rant/ proved you cherry picked with no context.


I could do more but i think one is enough to show your true colors without (as some people say) "bearding the lion"

scrounger

PS for accuracy yes the evil one TRICKED woman in the garden of eden and "bound her" with original sin and "feminine" problems as punishment for disobeying God.
but that is ORIGIONAL SIN that both MAN AND WOMAN and without cherry picking the same verses showed what MANS PUNISHMENT was.

but Jesus came to wipe that original sin away by his sacrifice..

but that was not your point or goal now was it.. just "happened" to be some accuracy in it.
showing the adage

a broken clock is right two times of the day

The Bible is a book that's full of cherry pickings? You have cherry picked yours that's all.

Your understanding of the Bible is a cherrypicked interpretation construed from cherry pickings you might say.

originally posted by: rounda

originally posted by: dontneedaname

originally posted by: rounda

originally posted by: dontneedaname

originally posted by: rounda
a reply to: dontneedaname

I think you're misunderstanding the Gospel of Judas.

Judas wasn't "the chosen one" as in the Messiah who will return.

Judas was "the chosen one" of the disciples to fulfill Jesus' prophecy that one of his disciples would turn him in to the Romans.

The idea being that it was a necessary act for salvation to occur, thus making Judas a hero instead of a villain.

As Bart Simpson would say - Au Contraire Mon Frere

The video literally explains what I said...

Ahh..but it says he will LEAD THE WAY. No? And you are saying the Gospel doesn't.

It doesn't use the word "Messiah" in the video. Messiah so ingrained in movies, books, culture, it's retarded.

I personally don't like it....but without a leader to show us the way, we'll be like chickens running around wiht our head cut off...like now.

His star would lead the way, not that Judas would lead the way.

Earlier in the gospel, Jesus tells Judas his star has led him astray.

Its not a reference to Judas, it's a reference to faith.

We both watch the same video 30 second video clip and have different interpretations? His star/soul will lead the way. Though perhaps Jesus did not use the word SOUL as it had no meaning back then to the people of that area. STAR = SOUL in this context. But Judas can't see the benefit, he will only know suffering. Because he doesn't have the power of FORESIGHT in that life (as Judas).

Not sure when the word "SOUL" or similar concept appeared in Asia vs Middle East.

Yes, the allusion is that Judas will suffer for turning Jesus in, as well as in future lives, if one went further.

As for faith...I'm making a post about that right now. The gift that keeps giving.

Somebody else commented on SCRIPTURE. Well...non-literate doesn't make you non-smart/intelligent.

Found that graphic on twitter re: something else, maybe COVID. I don't remember.

Most people have been non-literate for most of history.

Thus, earlier literate folks used the "Technology of writing" to their advantage. They probably often FELT MORE PRIDEFUL.

Maybe I'll post about literacy later. It's EASIER TO LIE in WRITING vs LOOKING SOMEONE IN THE EYE.

I think everyone here knows that. Depending on subject - EASIER TO MISUNDERSTAND.

EASIER TO LIE via TELEVISION. EASIER TO LIE on INTERNET. EASIER to LIE via ZOOM or other remote. Rather then FACE TO FACE.

And the more TRUTHFUL you are...the more harder it is for anyone to lie to you. The EYES are the WINDOW to the SOUL....

The "Lost Gospel" -- "Gospel of Judas" was first released in 2006.
Many things have been said about this "Lost Gospel" over the years.
Many scholars have noted that some of the "text" of the "Gospel of Judas"
was written during the years between 200-300 AD
Well, I did some research and came across something I have chosen to share.

I am not a member of LDS, but surprisingly found this discussion interesting.
I know that it is long, but hope you take some time and listen to it.

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How does the Gospel of Judas mesh with LDS beliefs?

The furor raised in scholarly and religious circles has caused many Latter-day Saints to wonder:

What is the Gospel of Judas and how was it discovered?
Does it contain any new information about the Savior?
Is there any reason to believe that Jesus asked Judas to betray him?
Was Judas given secret knowledge by Jesus, knowledge that established Judas as superior to the eleven other Apostles?
Is the Gospel of Judas an authentic document or perhaps a forgery?

In this audio, five outstanding LDS New Testament scholars use a round-table discussion format to address these intriguing questions and many others. It is a discussion that you will find fascinating and enlightening.


The Truth About the Gospel of Judas (1:16:46 long)

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The first comment on this video is something else that should be read:
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The so-called Gospel of Judas was written by a religious cult called the Gnostics, 150 years after the time of Christ’s ministry on earth. The name “Gnostic” comes from the Greek word “gnosis,” which means “knowledge.” The Gnostics believed that they had knowledge that no one else had, and that the way to be saved was to get this knowledge, and progress into the world of the spirit. In 180 A.D. Irenaeus, a Christian who defended the truth about Jesus, mentioned that some people were reading The Gospel of Judas in his book, Against Heresies. And Irenaeus said that The Gospel of Judas is really a book filled with heretical false teachings.

The Gospel of Judas says that Judas wasn’t really a bad man. It says that Judas was the greatest disciple of Jesus, who actually did something very good when he handed Jesus over to be killed. As Dr. Marvin Meyer, one of the translators of the document, wrote, “The Judas Iscariot of the Gospel of Judas is the betrayer of Jesus, but he is simultaneously the hero of the gospel” (ibid., p. 3). This book truly is “Christianity turned on its head” (the title of a chapter in the book, presenting commentary by Dr. Bart D. Ehrman; ibid., p. 77). “This gospel has a completely different understanding of God, the world, Christ, salvation, human existence…” (Ehrman, ibid., p. 80). According to this false Gospel, Jesus asked Judas to betray Him so He could be free from human flesh and enter the realm of “pure spirit.” In this book of deception and error, Jesus supposedly says to Judas, “You will exceed all of them [the other disciples]. For you will sacrifice the man [my body] that clothes me [my spirit]” (ibid., p. 43). “For Jesus in The Gospel of Judas, death is no tragedy, nor is it a necessary evil to bring about the forgiveness of sins” (Meyer, introductory notes; ibid., p. 4).

Ladies and gentlemen, that book is a lie from the Devil! It says that Jesus didn’t die in order to pay for your sins – but only to get rid of His body and become a spirit – and that He didn’t physically rise from the dead! As Dr. Ehrman comments, in the false Gospel of Judas,
There will be no resurrection. This is perhaps the key point of all. Jesus will not be raised from the dead in this book. Why would he be? The entire point of salvation is to escape this material world…a resurrection of the body is the very last thing that Jesus, or any of his true followers, would want [according to that false Gospel of Judas] (ibid., page 110).

To borrow a few words from Dr. A. W. Tozer, “I call it heresy!” The Gospel of Judas isn’t the Gospel at all! It is what the Bible calls “another gospel” – a false teaching about salvation, which denies the true meaning of Jesus’ death and resurrection.
Why are so many people interested in The Gospel of Judas today? Why, for the same reason that so many people were interested back in the second century – the book tells people what they want to hear! As the Apostle Paul wrote to the Galatians. --- Armenia Gevorgyan

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: scrounger

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: scrounger
a reply to: Smigg

sigh

oh how do you sum up your post

I know, terms like

cherry picking

quotes missing parts

quotes with no context

outright BS

and

I hate religion so twist things

got it you hate religion

scrounger

No you're way off the mark I'm afraid.

oh such a response.. so fact lacking and no counterpoint should be shown in debate 101 class as what NOT TO DO..

so i took just one cherry picked item you chose at random to show how anti religious using an out of context post you are

your quote

How Christ described the evil one

The he "bound a woman for 18 years", Luke 13:16.


now the whole information and context


Indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, the synagogue leader said to the people, “There are six days for work. So come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath.”

15 The Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Doesn’t each of you on the Sabbath untie your ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water? 16 Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?”

17 When he said this, all his opponents were humiliated, but the people were delighted with all the wonderful things he was doing.

not only was this NOT ABOUT THE EVIL ONE but jesus chastising the rabbis (religious leaders) who claimed he was doing wrong / not honoring the sabbath .
he showed that they CHERRY PICKED a law and IGNORED CONTEXT to claim he was not following rabbinic law/ law of moses.

hmm wonder who this sounds like (check your mirror for the answer).

then jesus used THE WHOLE SITUATION/FACTS to show they were WRONG AND IGNORANT.

unlike you they backed down in shame (well at least on that issue).

now that was just ONE RANDOM PASSAGE you wrote and with .025 sec google search for the WHOLE PASSAGE and at most one minute to compare your claim to the facts.. DISPROVED your rant/ proved you cherry picked with no context.


I could do more but i think one is enough to show your true colors without (as some people say) "bearding the lion"

scrounger

PS for accuracy yes the evil one TRICKED woman in the garden of eden and "bound her" with original sin and "feminine" problems as punishment for disobeying God.
but that is ORIGIONAL SIN that both MAN AND WOMAN and without cherry picking the same verses showed what MANS PUNISHMENT was.

but Jesus came to wipe that original sin away by his sacrifice..

but that was not your point or goal now was it.. just "happened" to be some accuracy in it.
showing the adage

a broken clock is right two times of the day

The Bible is a book that's full of cherry pickings? You have cherry picked yours that's all.

Your understanding of the Bible is a cherrypicked interpretation construed from cherry pickings you might say.

again "accuse others of what yourself are guilty of"

you posted a couple of word statement.. then said it was (guess you forgot) christ defining "the evil one"

i presented the WHOLE TEXT and in it it stated its context..
no where did it show when PUT WITH FULL VERSE it was christ defining the evil one .

i did just one of your lines AT RANDOM to show CLEARLY your cherry picking and not giving FULL VERSE/PASSAGE much less context..
anymore examples would be showing you the FOOL you are in greater numbers.

sorry but you lost

but hey rant on..

too bad your just a ranting fool easily disproved

oh btw that ONE PASSAGE i used.. exactly where does it say jesus is defining THE EVIL ONE

waiting

scrounger

originally posted by: dontneedaname

originally posted by: rounda

originally posted by: dontneedaname

originally posted by: rounda

originally posted by: dontneedaname

originally posted by: rounda
a reply to: dontneedaname

I think you're misunderstanding the Gospel of Judas.

Judas wasn't "the chosen one" as in the Messiah who will return.

Judas was "the chosen one" of the disciples to fulfill Jesus' prophecy that one of his disciples would turn him in to the Romans.

The idea being that it was a necessary act for salvation to occur, thus making Judas a hero instead of a villain.

As Bart Simpson would say - Au Contraire Mon Frere

The video literally explains what I said...

Ahh..but it says he will LEAD THE WAY. No? And you are saying the Gospel doesn't.

It doesn't use the word "Messiah" in the video. Messiah so ingrained in movies, books, culture, it's retarded.

I personally don't like it....but without a leader to show us the way, we'll be like chickens running around wiht our head cut off...like now.

His star would lead the way, not that Judas would lead the way.

Earlier in the gospel, Jesus tells Judas his star has led him astray.

Its not a reference to Judas, it's a reference to faith.

We both watch the same video 30 second video clip and have different interpretations? His star/soul will lead the way. Though perhaps Jesus did not use the word SOUL as it had no meaning back then to the people of that area. STAR = SOUL in this context. But Judas can't see the benefit, he will only know suffering. Because he doesn't have the power of FORESIGHT in that life (as Judas).

Not sure when the word "SOUL" or similar concept appeared in Asia vs Middle East.

Yes, the allusion is that Judas will suffer for turning Jesus in, as well as in future lives, if one went further.

As for faith...I'm making a post about that right now. The gift that keeps giving.

That would make sense, except the concept of soul was used hundreds of years before in the old testament.

In fact, the gospel of judas makes the distinction, as it talks about the disciples being "troubled in their spirit." [37] And also, "The souls of of every human generation will die..." [43] The gospel of judas talks about the soul many times, sometimes talking about stars and souls in the same sentence.

The ancient egyptians had conceptual understanding of the soul thousands of years before the gospel of judas was written... in Coptic.

The idea of everyone having a star is that it is an actual, literal star.

Gen 1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs...

originally posted by: scrounger

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: scrounger

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: scrounger
a reply to: Smigg

sigh

oh how do you sum up your post

I know, terms like

cherry picking

quotes missing parts

quotes with no context

outright BS

and

I hate religion so twist things

got it you hate religion

scrounger

No you're way off the mark I'm afraid.

oh such a response.. so fact lacking and no counterpoint should be shown in debate 101 class as what NOT TO DO..

so i took just one cherry picked item you chose at random to show how anti religious using an out of context post you are

your quote

How Christ described the evil one

The he "bound a woman for 18 years", Luke 13:16.


now the whole information and context


Indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, the synagogue leader said to the people, “There are six days for work. So come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath.”

15 The Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Doesn’t each of you on the Sabbath untie your ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water? 16 Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?”

17 When he said this, all his opponents were humiliated, but the people were delighted with all the wonderful things he was doing.

not only was this NOT ABOUT THE EVIL ONE but jesus chastising the rabbis (religious leaders) who claimed he was doing wrong / not honoring the sabbath .
he showed that they CHERRY PICKED a law and IGNORED CONTEXT to claim he was not following rabbinic law/ law of moses.

hmm wonder who this sounds like (check your mirror for the answer).

then jesus used THE WHOLE SITUATION/FACTS to show they were WRONG AND IGNORANT.

unlike you they backed down in shame (well at least on that issue).

now that was just ONE RANDOM PASSAGE you wrote and with .025 sec google search for the WHOLE PASSAGE and at most one minute to compare your claim to the facts.. DISPROVED your rant/ proved you cherry picked with no context.


I could do more but i think one is enough to show your true colors without (as some people say) "bearding the lion"

scrounger

PS for accuracy yes the evil one TRICKED woman in the garden of eden and "bound her" with original sin and "feminine" problems as punishment for disobeying God.
but that is ORIGIONAL SIN that both MAN AND WOMAN and without cherry picking the same verses showed what MANS PUNISHMENT was.

but Jesus came to wipe that original sin away by his sacrifice..

but that was not your point or goal now was it.. just "happened" to be some accuracy in it.
showing the adage

a broken clock is right two times of the day

The Bible is a book that's full of cherry pickings? You have cherry picked yours that's all.

Your understanding of the Bible is a cherrypicked interpretation construed from cherry pickings you might say.

again "accuse others of what yourself are guilty of"

Again you say lol, are you ok? I seem to remember you accusing me of cherry picking but the sad thing is you are so far off the mark I'm thinking you're a little clueless, anyways my little bag of air have a good life.



ps. Please don't stalk me like a clueless troll.