Speech in EU parliament: 'This makes my stomach turn'.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Perhaps in kosovo, I'm not very familiar with that mes

Now your just deflecting it.

ut your beef is with the UN there, not the US.

The US has a main base in Kosovo.. And the UN is with US so you are wrong there.....

Not deflecting, I was working 16x7s during that period with near zero access to news, I really only know the headlines since.

The UN is the planet.

The US opening a small base there afterwards had nothing to do with what had already happened.

a reply to: JinMI

They completely ignore what i mentioned to the person when the Ukrainians shelled Donbass for 8 years with the Ukrainian far right groups, fighters even had burned down a village.

This conflict in Ukraine was unfortunately unavoidable.

There is was a poem i saw and read online somewhere translated in English that was quite sad. The person that wrote mentioned how they are no longer the same as Ukrainians as Ukrainians kept killing their own children in Donbass because of their differences on what they believed and why they wanted independence.

a reply to: vNex92

You can side with the nazis or you can side with an aggressive invader.


Ill look to my own govt for their dirty hands.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

The UN is the planet.

Very amusing the same UN that is becoming no different than the league nations which failed to keep order and failed to prevent wars, conflicts.

The whole point of the UN was to prevent wars, migrations.

The US opening a small base there afterwards had nothing to do with what had already happened

Everything has a tie in between what is happening now in Ukraine.

originally posted by: musicismagic
There is no PEACE in the world. We are taught to believe that peace can bring harmony to our hearts, that is total BS. It just will never happen.

Not until The Lion of Judah returns with fire and the Holy Spirit destroying the wicked, then there will be 1000 years of peace.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

and don't want my ATS home to be destroyed by people spreading russian propaganda.

In other words anyone i dont agree or doesn't agree with the narrtive "I stand with the current thing" is spreading Russian propaganda.

Reminds me of one of the far liberals on twitter said during the election. You are either with us or you are a Russian Bot.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

The UN is the planet.

Very amusing the same UN that is becoming no different than the league nations which failed to keep order and failed to prevent wars, conflicts.

The whole point of the UN was to prevent wars, migrations.

The US opening a small base there afterwards had nothing to do with what had already happened

Everything has a tie in between what is happening now in Ukraine.

Yes, the UN has failed miserably in many areas, no argument from me on that.

Those other things certainly played a large part in putin getting feelz, but feelz is not justification for invading a non threatening neighbor.

a reply to: Sander1976

Unfortunately i agree with this testament from that speech.

Energy prices and inflation are skyrocketing while living standards are in free fall, the MEP said. “We are shooting ourselves in the foot.” The moral outrage at Russia's illegal war is in stark contrast to objections to the illegal US wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, which we have not condemned, and to the genocide Saudi Arabia is committing in Yemen, Daly said.

The images from Yemen are more horrific to an actual war crime that is been ignored.

the EU has become an instrument of NATO and the military-industrial complex, Daly said.

Interesting point.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: Sander1976

Unfortunately i agree with this testament from that speech.

Energy prices and inflation are skyrocketing while living standards are in free fall, the MEP said. “We are shooting ourselves in the foot.” The moral outrage at Russia's illegal war is in stark contrast to objections to the illegal US wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, which we have not condemned, and to the genocide Saudi Arabia is committing in Yemen, Daly said.

The images from Yemen are more horrific to an actual war crime that is been ignored.

the EU has become an instrument of NATO and the military-industrial complex, Daly said.

Interesting point.

daly was one of the 13 MEPs who voted against condemning the russian invasion of Ukraine.

Isn't it interesting how folks are allowed to disagree with the government in the west?

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

and don't want my ATS home to be destroyed by people spreading russian propaganda.

In other words anyone i dont agree or doesn't agree with the narrtive "I stand with the current thing" is spreading Russian propaganda.

Reminds me of one of the far liberals on twitter said during the election. You are either with us or you are a Russian Bot.

Nope.

Just standing in the way of absurd russia propaganda being spread here without rebuttal from reality.

You could always put me out of business with a single good claim backed up by a single honest source, but for some reason that hasn't occured yet.


Meanwhile...

Weapons labs
Bio drones
Chernobyl dirty bombs
Israel nukes in Kherson
Only 1300 russians killed
AN 225 wasn't destroyed
azovs beaming themselves to Bucha
Poisoning of russian envoy hoax
Capture of 3 star general hoax

On and on it goes.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

On and on it goes.

Yes the BS is everywhere, but not everything is BS.

I don't know, neither do you. What I do know is that both sides are failing miserably at basically everything they do.

a reply to: vNex92

So scared they are sending weapons to fight Russia. The only thing Russia has are nukes, they're that weakling that no one is afraid of because anyone can beat their ass, but is constantly talking about their gun and they are so psychotic they just might use it because they have no power otherwise.

a reply to: JinMI

I read just fine, maybe you can post something to read. You said there are numerous examples and then didn't name a single one.

a reply to: vNex92

Then I support Russia cutting off all trade with America and it's allies.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: vNex92

Then I support Russia cutting off all trade with America and it's allies.

Me too.

But it really doesn't mean anything if they cut off trade after we refused to do business with them.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: JinMI

I read just fine, maybe you can post something to read. You said there are numerous examples and then didn't name a single one.

I recall posting a link and asking questions.

Weird.

Then I support Russia cutting off all trade with America and it's allies.

BRICS is a thing

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: JinMI

I read just fine, maybe you can post something to read. You said there are numerous examples and then didn't name a single one.

I recall posting a link and asking questions.

Weird.

Then I support Russia cutting off all trade with America and it's allies.

BRICS is a thing

Of course.

We actually like that russia is still selling to them for now as it put more supplies into the global markets and reduces prices everywhere, but russia can't survive on that alone, and brics will likely be a lot less motivated to stick with the russian madman once western supplies are available.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Theres truth in that. India for example already has shaky knees.

However a strengthening between russian and china is bad, globally.

a reply to: musicismagic

There is no PEACE in the world.

Why capitalize the whole word?

In any case, it's highly debatable. Enlightened Zen masters are at peace.

There are peaceful locations - depending on how you view things. There can be peace within you while chaos rages around you - look at Cesar Millan when he's dealing with a red zone dog that keeps barking and tearing about. One of the entities is at peace - it's very clear.

Peace can exist on many levels, it can be an ideology or a concept, it can be within you or outside of you, you can call a tiny patch of grass to be at peace even if it exists in the middle of a warzone.

As I said, it's highly debatable - on one hand, you CAN say that this is a 'war planet' and the 'current history' of people is basically 'history of war', so in that sense, you are correct.

However, that word can be defined in many ways, it can have many subtle and not-so-subtle meanings.

In the end, if would be best, if everyone in existence was inspired by peace, this would mean their actions would not be limited to the immediate gratification of their selfish needs, but their thinking would be larger and expand towards a larger timescape as well. Peace is the greatest thing to exist, as it allows things you can't have without it, like spiritual cultivation and true progress (not just technological).

We should all always aim for peace - and peace is more than just absence of war, violence and rage.

We are taught to believe

Who is 'we', why do you use a passive, what do you really mean, who does the teaching and what is their motivation? Are you saying people are being lied to?

I don't think anyone teaches others to BELIEVE anything. People generally teach facts and history, or they teach ideologies and philosophy that you can adopt and process, or even embrace, or reject and explain away. There are all kinds of things people are taught in schools and workplaces, but even television and radio can be called a sort of 'teaching'.

Then there's of course the parental influence, peer pressures, books, and some electronic network that's full of memes.

People learn all kinds of things from all kinds of sources and places, some people even think for themselves.

So who are these groups or entities that 'teach people to believe'? How do you even teach someone to BELIEVE? Do beliefs really happen this way, or could it be they're actually born completely differently, outside actual teaching?

..that peace can bring harmony to our hearts, that is total BS.

Are you saying war can bring harmony to your hearts?

I wouldn't call it TOTAL 'BS', as you mention - if not peace, then WHAT 'can bring harmony to your hearts'?

I think your wording is a bit unclear anyway, as I can't quite grasp the concept of something external 'bringing' (how does this even work) 'harmony' (whatever this means) to 'your hearts' (who are these 'our' you refer to, and why limit harmony to hearts?)..

I mean, heart chakra has both emotion (ego-based strong vibes that react to illusions) and access to love (something real that exists in your soul that comes from the Divine, that then flows through you to others). It has its problems and desires, as well as its cultivated state, which grants access to higher things.

It is of course possible to cultivate love, harmony, compassion and all the spiritual virtues within chaotic environment, but wouldn't you agree that peaceful environment (one definition, but not the only one, of peace) would be more inducive to harmony than a wildly exploding and warring, conflict-filled environment?

You avatar has an image of violence, guns, brainwashed and oppressed children. Is this how you identify yourself? I mean, there's not much hope for me to explain to you about harmony and peace, if you define yourself through violence and oppression.

In a way, I agree with you, though, because nothing external, not even peace, can just BRING harmony to us (I will skip the 'hearts' part, as it's a bit too specific and leaves out larger concepts, like 'soul', so it's an unnecessary word to use).

It's really the other way around; WE have to learn harmony to become harmonious. We have to find peace within ourselves to be peaceful. When we learn to do this and combine peace with harmony, we can be inspired to help others reach this state as well. A peaceful world is a happy world, as conflict brings nothing but misery.

So when we have peace within ourselves, we can become harmonious - or to put it to other words, when we learn to be harmonious, we can be at peace with the Universe. (As I said, 'peace' can mean so many things..)

It just will never happen.

What does this have to do with what you said previously? Your previous sentence speaks of POSSIBILITIES, but this sentence suddenly jumps to 'PREDICTING THE FUTURE'.

So because in your opinion future will be like [scenario], it renders it impossible for [peace to be obtained in a certain way]?

This makes NO logical sense, and thus would require opening up your thinking process quite a lot to be understood.

Could you please elaborate how 'Peace can..' somehow means 'something will or will not happen'?

How can a possiblity of what peace can do, turn into a prediction about future? Those two things are not connected, it's like you say completely random things one after another that have nothing to do with each other.

If your post was more coherent, we could actually discuss it instead of me trying to explain to you why everything about it is wrong - at least as I understood it, it could be I just didn't get what you were trying to say, of course. My apologies, if that is the case.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Theres truth in that. India for example already has shaky knees.

However a strengthening between russian and china is bad, globally.

Russia has military tech that china wants to steal, otherwise russia/china doesn't really have much impact on us.

china is, and has been for decades, the only real future threat to us, and they aren't even close yet.