Something strange Antarctica

a reply to: LABTECH767

I was raised by my grandparents my grandfather was a navy guy who had to stay in until 1947 ,I heard some interesting stories at new year time when these old guys had a drink in which was there once a year session , I can remember a very heated conversation one Saturday afternoon with a few of them in the room around 1960-70 and for some strange reason I can remember it when I recounted it a few years ago to my mother her first reaction was not the story but the shock at her father drinking lol .

Everything that he told me I as a young kid used to think was old sailors tales we'll come the age of the internet i started to look into ,his story about gold bars raining down on him from a broken box in a cargo net early one morning in Canada in 1940? Was one I heard often yet I found out Britain shifted the then 30k tonnes of gold there .

I heard some interesting stories about U-boats down there from him and what they were up to but I noticed the information of the Hugh supply ubaots has vanished from the net now .

Ps I still got the bottle of bells and the little cardboard bell on it I was happily playing with as wee kid looking at it now when I heard the weird story that got heated between these old guys the story he was on about we know as the Philadelphia experiment

a reply to: stonerwilliam

Cool for a while the gold from the bank of England's vault was put into one of the old buildings in Liverpool and I believe it likely they did ship it over to Canada or the US.

As for the Experiment I believe in myself that probably did happen, not sure about the time travel thing but hey maybe that is true as well.
The usual argument to debunk it is that there was no ship by that name but of course records can be changed and those covering up ultra top secret operations can be and are COMPLETELY thorough even down to the smallest detail to remove any such records if they want something to disappear from them.

And yes there were a great many NAZI submarines that remained unaccounted for after the war with some sub's surrendering often in neutral Argentina after the war was officially over.




One of the weirdest claims.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
a reply to: nugget1

Wonder why they have physics guys going there isn't it mainly invite only ?

In the US, the National Science Foundation has the Office of Polar Programs (OPP). They have a program for both the Arctic and the Antarctic. The job of the OPP is to provide funding for scientists to use the polar research stations that the OPP runs for science investigations that require the unique features of the polar regions. The program supports research in half a dozen scientific fields, including astrophysics, ocean and atmospheric science, biology, etc. In order to go to the Antarctic as a scientist, you have to put in a proposal to the OPP and get selected on a competitive basis.

There are currently three ongoing major research activities in the area of cosmology, high energy physics, and geophysics that use physicists on a regular basis.

www.nsf.gov...

a reply to: LABTECH767

Wow Liverpool the dockers there would steal the sugar out of your tea then come back for the milk



Those U-boats supply ones were Hugh as in aircraft carrier size it blew my mind to see how big the diagram was compared to the size of a normal U-boat but the info on these cows ! Has seemed to vanish ,I have been trying to upload the photo of the bells bottle but no joy on my phone for some reason but what's left inside it is getting it come April 16th from me



Thanks for that end link reading it now , interesting

a reply to: LABTECH767

Interesting read that one bud thanks



It's strange what a old guy who hated the television and only turned it on to watch the wrestling and the news at night seemed to know ,and the only book I ever saw him read was the Bible , figured out why he called the TV the devil box many years ago ,some think it was because John l Baird took a device that had been on a shelf for years and used for research into the paranormal and made the television , how little they know ?

Interesting about the 3 nukes in that thread being exploded down there read that one before and why the Falklands was so important to the UK

a reply to: stonerwilliam

Well before my time on ATS but there are some goldmines in the ATS archives from back then and just about everything on anything has been covered at some point.

I suspect there is more than a grain of truth there.

Very few remember that in most ways we were actually ahead of the US technologically until WW2, they had better cars and more wealth in the hands of the common folk back then but we had the jet engine and would have had jet fighters at the start of WW2 had the old fuddy duddies in charge of the RAF back then not refused to use it, Frank Whittle beat the German's to it by over ten years and likely they only developed there's because they had heard a rumour about his, there engine remained inferior however (and kept melting in flight due to a lack of resources meaning there alloy's were substandard) but there airframe was a piece of genius with it's shark like profile and swept back wing's, after the war some west German pilots who got to fly both the meteor and 262 said that they wished they had the 262 but with the meteor's engines.

And though Oppenheimer is wrongly credited as the father of the nuclear bomb it was British Research, materials and scientists that actually enabled the US to achieve it since we were by all account's officially anyway about two years ahead of the Germans' and that mean's about four years ahead of the US in developing the Nuclear bomb and had we not had to strangle the development due to lack of resources during the war we may have had a working bomb by 1944 or even earlier, the resources were instead poured into other projects however and the NAZI's taking Norway had put a crimp on our supply of heavy water (Which is why we knew what they were up to and went hell out to destroy that heavy water plant).

Even until the 1980s British professor's were often better than the US equivalent but it paid more in the US so the brain drain sucked us dry followed by the destruction of there careers when Thatcher sold off our industry's a legacy that has been continued with our current US born prime minister Boris Johnson selling Chobham armor and all rights to it to a US arms company so we have very little that is our own left, even our prime minister is as unpatriotic as you can get but what can you expect form a guy descended from Germans and Turk's and born in the US, blagh I went on a bit of a rant there sorry (and no disrespect to the US we would have lost it without them and all the US boy's that gave there lives in that terrible conflict, after the war the US leapfrogged well ahead of us though despite us still having some of the best brains in the world at least until the late 1980's).

Have any of you folks read any Sitchin books(12th Planet etc.).Sitchin was 1 of only 250 folks that could read and translate ancient Sumerian,Akkadian,Hebrew etc.Start with the 12th planet and read all of the books,it will give you a different perspective of our existence on planet earth!

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
a reply to: LABTECH767

Thanks for that end link reading it now , interesting

I too thank LABTECH767 for the old ATS thread...

I didn't know about that anonymous account from an SAS Officer. I did some searching as many of the links are now 404, and I came across an interesting website that basically debunks many Antarctic myths.

www.coolantarctica.com...

From the Conclusions:

Conclusions

A sledge hammer to crack a nut maybe? Any sensible minded person wouldn't give the Nazi Antarctic base fantasy the time of day. The time it has taken me to write this page or for Messers. Summerhayes and Beeching to research and write their excellent paper debunking the ideas formally is arguably beyond what the effort is worth. After all, anyone who might consider such things as true is probably not going to bother reading a detailed analysis about why they can't possibly be so.

It is however satisfying to be able to address each particular claimed fantasy element as demonstrably false.

Quite often when presented with conspiracy theories with ridiculous and baseless claims we suspect that such a task could be undertaken, though the time taken can be onerous and so it generally doesn't happen. Here is one that shows what can be done with what has been a widespread and enduring fantasy over the years.

a reply to: Encia22

Thank you for that link.

As much as I enjoy this site for the ideas thrown out there......there is nothing more frustrating than when certain posters talk about having insider knowledge but refuse to share. Its almost like this site is populated with failed science fiction writers suffering from boredom.

I like a good story myself. But all these fringe types never offer up anything that hasn't already been debunked.

The Cuban Atlantis story from 2002 (?) was my White Whale. I wanted to believe in it so much----I still do honestly---but so much faked evidence and bad cgi were all we ever were given beyond plenty of fantastical claims.

Still--I am not above such romantic speculation myself. My main argument for still believing is that since at least the American Military exhausts its technological advantages before making them public---they already found and reduced to rubble all that they didn't like the masses to see

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: nugget1

What does your Grandson say about the true history?

I will not discuss any personal conversations for obvious reasons, but if you read my post long enough you will see I have a much different view of creation and the way the world works than most.
At best, I recommend books I think may help people to peel away the layers hiding the truth.

Don't be such a tease

originally posted by: atlantiswatusi
a reply to: Encia22

Thank you for that link.

As much as I enjoy this site for the ideas thrown out there......there is nothing more frustrating than when certain posters talk about having insider knowledge but refuse to share. Its almost like this site is populated with failed science fiction writers suffering from boredom.

I like a good story myself. But all these fringe types never offer up anything that hasn't already been debunked.

The Cuban Atlantis story from 2002 (?) was my White Whale. I wanted to believe in it so much----I still do honestly---but so much faked evidence and bad cgi were all we ever were given beyond plenty of fantastical claims.

Still--I am not above such romantic speculation myself. My main argument for still believing is that since at least the American Military exhausts its technological advantages before making them public---they already found and reduced to rubble all that they didn't like the masses to see

Yes the images were a bit ropey BUT I would NOT call it Atlantis and in my opinion there is or WAS most definitely a sunken city there and not the only one as rumours of underwater structures, cover up's and official denial go back to at least the 1970's in other parts of the general area.

For me Atlantis if it was real is the Eye of the Sahara though I do not discount the possibility of a very large island that was submerged off the Azores islands with then now being just the top's of that lost larger island, I do not believe the bed of the Atlantic is STATIC but that it can rise and fall and indeed probably did so either at toward the end of the last ice age.

What I propose (and this is just my theory) is that as the magma flowed under the continents as the ice melted flowing back north this caused isostatic rebound while simultaneously causing the subcrustal pressure under the Atlantic to drop causing isostatic depression.

I believe this was coupled with at least two other severe cataclysmic event's, a cometary body striking the melting Greenland ice sheet or exploding over it coupled with a cataclysmic and rapid seismic event well above a 9 on the Richter scale as the continent of south America tilted, the Amazon river used to flow WEST, the Andes were fjord's on the pacific coast, TiwaHunaco and Puma Punku were a large city and port complex on the shore of the THEN inlet to the sea the fjord we now know of as Lake Titicaca (Flora and fauna in the lake are almost identical to that found off the coast at sea level but have been forced to rapidly adapt to the desalination of there formerly salt water environment, while that was being scatted like a child's building block's by the sudden and cataclysmic uplift the eastern sea board of the south American continent was being pushed down (like two sides of a sea-saw) as was the bed of the Atlantic ocean along with several major islands such as that now submerged at the Azores islands, a wave of magma was displaced eastward and pushed the area of the Richart Structure UPWARD in a sudden isostatic rebound - remember the continents and crusts float on this magma layer (which is as hard as steel but still fluid due to it's heat and pressure, one causative affect beside the fall in subcrustal magma pressure on the Atlantic side was probably the south American continent sliding over the remains of an older submerged (Proto) continent in the Pacific (there were many before our own and most have sunken below the crustal layer but are still there like the one under Europe that was recently found, this created positive isostatic pressure (Uplift) on the west coast of south America while the fall in magma pressure on the east coast and it's rather sudden (in geological terms) reduction to this lower pressure triggered this cataclysmic event.

That city off Cuba WAS above sea level prior to this event that happened most likely at or after the end of the last ice age OR at or after the end of the PREVIOUS ice age, it would also have cause a tidal wave like none ever seen before since the time of the Dino's in both the Pacific ocean and the Atlantic ocean that would have washed hundreds or even thousands of miles inshore in both directions destroying all in it's path.

As for that site of Cuba there were reports from some that worked at Guantanamo of some kind of expedition and crates being brought up though I am not sure if that was the same site, claims to try to debunk it included the downright stupid claim that it was natural, that it was the concrete missile silo's the Russians were going to install that triggered the Cuban missile crisis dumped at sea and that it is just a case of seeing sheep in the clouds.

No it's real but it is NOT ATLANTIS no matter how many Cayce adherents may want it to be, if Atlantis was real it was the Eye of the Sahara (the city anyway) OR the sunken large island off of the Azores.


Another thing that limits people view of the past and the possibility that there are ruin's under the ocean on areas that at some point were land is the false view of a young humanity when in fact our race may be vastly more ancient and/or there were other very human like races before our own that may have been just as intelligent as we are.




The Loss of islands and alteration in the sea level in the Atlantic which may have been a formerly more shallow sea and other alterations would also have affected the gulf stream and also as this plays into it the jet stream affecting global weather pattern's, warming affects to some parts of the world would have vanished while other's would have gotten warmer than they had previously been as the entire weather cycle reconfigured to the new atmospheric and ocean topography's.

Of course it is also possible that an ECD (Entire crustal displacement a more modern take on Hapgoods theory) occurred at this time as well, just a small movement of a few degree's could have caused the flash freezing of the mammoth in Siberia and frozen formerly habitable or at least warmer regions of Antarctica as well.

And there is an interesting theory that Greenland was at one point rather more recently than is currently accepted by mainstream scientists at the geographic north pole and is actually the former geographic north pole.
beforeatlantis.com...

Labtec

Another thing that limits people view of the past and the possibility that there are ruin's under the ocean on areas that at some point were land is the false view of a young humanity when in fact our race may be vastly more ancient and/or there were other very human like races before our own that may have been just as intelligent as we are.

That is what I have come to believe. Two or three cataclysmic shifts wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities, either.

originally posted by: DaCook

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: nugget1

What does your Grandson say about the true history?

I will not discuss any personal conversations for obvious reasons, but if you read my post long enough you will see I have a much different view of creation and the way the world works than most.
At best, I recommend books I think may help people to peel away the layers hiding the truth.

Not very good at mind reading, however the obvious is evidence collected does not match biblical history.

Denny

I agree; mind reading isn't your thing. lol Maybe the earth has had more than one bottleneck ELE, and The Bible tells the story of just one period between events. I can picture what might happen tomorrow if all the gloves came off on the world stage. What if less than a thousand people survived? What if those survivors were poor working folk from a third word country? I imagine thousands of years before to would catch up to where we are today, but their technological achievements might be completely different than ours. Maybe even better! lol

a reply to: nugget1

there are magnetic anomalies in Antarctica so it would make sense that a physicist would go there to study these anomalies.

Among other things is a good place to collect data its a unique location on earth for astronomy as well

here are some links to research projects

Newcaslte University Australia

University of Wisconsin

Seems like its a bunch of astronomy and research on the upper atmosphere

a reply to: LABTECH767

Maybe there is a base there for the elite to take shelter and they are planning on wiping the world clean or maybe they met fallen angels or NAZI's but fanciful and unlikely scenario's aside if there is anywhere on the planet you may find an ALIEN base Antarctica is the most likely candidate due to it lacking human population, no fly zones? and many other wild rumours.

The government is SO good at telling lies and starting rumors to keep people focused in a completely different direction- less chance of discovering what they don't want you to know that way. Maybe that's how we got the Roswell crash and aliens. People love a mystery, and it certainly captured our attention- for decades! Are they really trying to reverse-engineer alien technology at Area 51, or just advancing our own technology?

I think the government is benefiting from all the wild conspiracy theories surrounding Antarctica, and would be more than happy to throw a few bones our way to keep the narrative of something like alien technology going.

a reply to: 1947boomer
Yes, sir! You are absolutely correct.

a reply to: LABTECH767

There are some good odds in the probability field that makes this intriguing. For instance, what are the chances that a structure, of such close dimensions to the reported dimensions, happens to lie at that particular point in an otherwise desolate depth? Most interesting vid.

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: DaCook

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: nugget1

What does your Grandson say about the true history?

I will not discuss any personal conversations for obvious reasons, but if you read my post long enough you will see I have a much different view of creation and the way the world works than most.
At best, I recommend books I think may help people to peel away the layers hiding the truth.

Not very good at mind reading, however the obvious is evidence collected does not match biblical history.

Denny

I agree; mind reading isn't your thing. lol Maybe the earth has had more than one bottleneck ELE, and The Bible tells the story of just one period between events. I can picture what might happen tomorrow if all the gloves came off on the world stage. What if less than a thousand people survived? What if those survivors were poor working folk from a third word country? I imagine thousands of years before to would catch up to where we are today, but their technological achievements might be completely different than ours. Maybe even better! lol

Sadly all too true, even if we somehow head off the danger we are currently in we are still in danger as more and more nations pursue weapons of mass destruction and the ability to project them very far from there own territory's.

Likely it will eventually begin with conventional (though the first shot of WW3 may have been the inadvertent release of am early stage development bioweapon AKA Covid 19, it's not as lethal perhaps as they may have wanted but has damaged the global economy and certainly contributed to the current crisis), then chemical and finally nuclear after which it may then downgrade if there are still opposing factions back to conventional, chemical and biological.

The radiation and biological may go on killing for century's afterwards and the chemical may also leave lasting residue in some areas that may pose a continuing threat there.

Sunlight will be diminished causing mass starvation, nations not directly involved will collapse and human society will die off, survival will not be pretty but should humanity somehow manage to pull through yes it will likely be the third world that those survivor's shall originate within.

But will they learn there lesson or just go back into the same cycle, do the Hindu story's speak of such a past war or wars, a war between an ancient Indian superpower and one in the so called White Isle of Atalla (odd thing ancient people called Britain the white isle because of the white cliff's of dover though it may also have referred to race or even snow with some believing it meant an ancient civilization now lose beneath the ice of Antarctica).

Let's hope somehow we manage to survive this one and then put ALL our politicians east and west into the loony bin were they belong.

a reply to: LABTECH767

I watched a documentary on TV years ago that stated that since the 1950s that there was 50 % less sunlight hitting the ground than before ,And does the sun look the same to you as when you were a child ? I thought it was my old eyes but a paint shade card and asking many a young kid to point to what colour they see the sun as was a eye opener ,I finally got the episode of star trek where captain Picard is playing the penny whistle and why it sold at auction for so much 40k I believe

a reply to: stonerwilliam

My eyesight is definitely not as good as it used to be, maybe I also don't see colours the same but to me the sky did used to be blue, the sun had a yellowish golden warm light.

Now the sky looks washed out more grey and not really blue at all and the sun is white and fierce not the golden warm light of my childhood.

I used to be able to see the light through a blade of grass and an oak leaf and the green seemed so much more green and alive, so that if I held it up to the sunlight I could see the veins inside the leaves.

People show old photo's as a way of denying this but I am not the only one whom remembers it this way.

There are claims that they have been attempting to so called engineer the atmosphere spraying particles into the upper atmosphere in chemtrails but it is far more likely that was actually part of an control operation designed to pacify the population by spraying lithium microparticles as when we inhale lithium it act's as a tranquilizer and makes people docile and stupid so we walk through life half asleep living with a kind of mental tunnel vision.