BBC Weapons Source Reported Missing!

"David kelly, the government adviser named as the possible source for the BBC's report claiming the government 'sexed up' a key intelligence dossier on Iraq, has been reported missing by his family."

I'm shocked, i hope he is ok.

media.guardian.co.uk...

Maybe he is lying low for a while?

This is tragic.

news.bbc.co.uk...

I hope the body is not that of Mr Kelly, however it was found near where he went missing, i fear the worst.

It seems he has either taken his own life or has been murdered.

this is like real life 24 gettin intresting............

another dead microbiologist??? Dr Kelly worked in Iraq as a weopons inspector

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[edit on 25/3/06 by JAK]

Bush's numerous LIES, & Now this, C'MON PEOPLE! Wake Up! The Soprano's are less corrupt than this Administration!

Uh hmm...excuse me but I think Mr. Kelly's death helps the opposition to the war by eliminating the person who could tear apart the BBC's story. I know this stuff can get confusing but I think we have to look to the BBC for the best motive for having this guy killed.

I think maybe we should merge the two different threads about this subject to one to keep everyone on the same page. I posted to following to the other thread..

"Sounds like the BBC had good motive to "Off" this guy. If he didn't indeed give enough information to Mr. Gilligan for this claim to be made and no other sources can be found, the BBC could stand liable for false statements themselves. So, if they take him out, he doesn't get to back his statement that he isn't the source. I guess the BBC doesn't want to be exposed as the New York Times was, making up news to suit their political agendas."

i think your barking up the wrong tree.
It will officially be suicide.

I believe Gilligan's chief source was someone very high up in the intelligence agencies, if that is the case, then the original source needed to be protected, basically the chief source is now off the hook, as only Kelly and Gilligan could have disclosed the source. I don't think Gilligan will be lining up to point the finger after what happened this morning.

And of course, because Kelly will be said to have killed himself, the general public will be convinsed he is to blame for the leak.

Astrocreep - This guy was not killed by the beeb, if he was the MOD inquiry would expose them, they would have just sacked Gilligan, besides Gilligan doesn't seem to be lying, but he has been sent a very harsh message this morning from the Intelligence agencies to keep his mouth well and truely shut on the matter.


Also, remember some of the mps in the Foreign Affairs Committee said they believed Dr Kelly was being used as a scapegoat for the real source, the timing is more than convenient.

www.publications.parliament.uk...

Nah, I think I'll stick with this here tree, thank ya.
I've always had a nose for these things. Part bloodhound I guess.



See my reply to your idea on the other thread concerning this.

Originally posted by drunk
Maybe he is lying low for a while?

If he's dead i guess he lay too low then.
Do they know how he died?

MSN isn't acrrying the story but Fox News is..



www.foxnews.com...

SOMERTHING IS GOIN ON....

Why no talk whatsoever about foul play needs to be ruled out in any investigation............

This news site in Turkey aint afraid to say it....

Murder Spoils Bush and Blair�s Plans

www.zaman.com...

normally, this is referred to as 'silencing' a problem. when the mafia carries this out, they usually 'whack' or 'bonk' the person in question. when a gang does this, they usually 'pop' or 'cap' the person. when a government does this, the 'people' get 'angry'. when the people get angry, reforms occur, and eventually the 'truth' is found. but the truth is usually found 'too late'. when things happen too late, we are usually deep into a position we aren't getting ourselves out of anytime soon.


this is evidence enough, that, there is more to be seen which lies beneath.

The Government attempted to brush off Dr Kelly when he came forward as the mole, saying he was unimportant. This of course couldn't be further from the truth, not only was Dr Kelly one of the leading experts in the country on WMD, but he was also involved in the compilation of the Government dossier's in question. Dr Kelly was clearly covering for Alastair Campbell (and in turn Blair), Kelly was forced into a corner by some powerful people inside the Government.

So we come full circle, Kelly was an important insider, he did speak to Gilligan, and probably implied that Campbell was involved in doctoring aspects of the dossier to make it sexier, the inclusion of the claim that Iraq had biological and chemical agents capable of being loaded and fired in 45 minutes was also added for effect according to Gilligan's source (Kelly).





So we have to decide who we believe...


Dr David Kelly RIP (Respected Scientist) ?


politics.guardian.co.uk...

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OR...


Alastair Campbell (Government SpinDoctor In-Chief) ?


observer.guardian.co.uk...

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Whether suicide or murder, the trail of blood leads back to 10 Downing street and Alastair Campbell.

just a link to another thread concering this.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here's a short description of the key figures in the row.

politics.guardian.co.uk...


Here's how the government (MOD) outed David Kelly as the source of the BBC story

media.guardian.co.uk...

David Kelly's wife had arthritis, amazing that he wanted to leave this world and let her suffer in her own last days.
He simply would not have killed himself, the pain killers are an obvious plant, if he planned to kill himself, why did he not leave his wife a note.

This is the smoking gun though for me, Dr Kelly was a follower of the Baha'i faith, "members of this faith who take their own lives risk damaging their soul in the life hereafter"

news.scotsman.com...

"A weapons expert educated at Oxford, Dr Kelly was a religious man who followed the Baha�i faith, which rejects suicide in any circumstances. Yesterday, Barnabas Leith, the secretary of the national assembly of the Baha�is in the UK, said the religion condemned suicide but that God was "merciful" to those who had suffered.

Dr Kelly, who took painkillers and slashed his left wrist at a beauty-spot close to his home in Southmoor on Friday after telling his family he was going for a walk, converted to the pacifist faith - which has 6,000 adherents in the UK - four years ago while in the US. He regularly attended local gatherings in Abingdon, Oxfordshire.

Mr Leith said: "The true position is that the Baha�i teachings strongly condemn suicide. Baha�is believe that the soul of the individual comes ever closer to God in the life after death. Those who take their own lives risk damaging their soul in the life hereafter.

"But this does not mean they cease to be Baha�is. And Baha�is believe that God is always merciful to those who have suffered in this life. Baha�is throughout the world are praying for the progress of David Kelly�s soul.""


[Edited on 21-7-2003 by Peace]

"THE DEATH OF DR. DAVID KELLY - A COVER UP IN THE MAKING
(or "Watergate 2")

Body 'matches' Iraq expert
18th July 2003
BBC Online

A body matching the description of Dr David Kelly - the weapons expert at the centre of the Iraq dossier row - has been found at a beauty spot close to his home in Oxfordshire.

The government says an independent judicial inquiry will be held into the circumstances of his death if the body is confirmed to be that of the MoD adviser. The discovery was made at 0920 BST by a member of the police team searching for Dr Kelly in a wooded area at Harrowdown Hill, near Faringdon.

Dr Kelly, 59, had been caught up in a row between the BBC and the government about the use of intelligence reports in the run-up to the war with Iraq. On Tuesday he told the Foreign Affairs select committee he had spoken to BBC reporter Andrew Gilligan but denied he was the main source for a story about claims that a dossier on Iraq had been "sexed up".

Dr Kelly left his home in Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxfordshire, at about 1500 BST on Thursday and his family reported him missing at 2345 BST the same day. The body was found lying on the ground, around five miles from Dr Kelly's home, a police spokeswoman said.

Acting superintendent Dave Purnell said formal identification would take place on Saturday and the case was being treated as an "unexplained death".

"We will be awaiting the results of the post mortem and also waiting while the forensic examination continues at the scene at Harrowdown Hill," he added. A hearse left the scene shortly before 2000 BST on Friday.


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This diary of an inquiry will attempt to demonstrate how this Government hides the truth from the public and only lets them know what they want them to know like the inquiry into the Dunblane killer, Thomas Hamilton. In most cases they will use the excuse that invoking secrecy acts is to protect members of the public, but in fact it is more likely that they are protecting their own skins from a major scandal. Murder or suicide, it is likely that it will be reported as a suicide and the news will trickle out bit by bit after filtering through the Government spin machine.

Whether Dr. Kelly was murdered by intelligence services as an example to others who speak off the record to reporters about sensitive issues or whether he committed suicide because of the intolerable pressure upon him - one thing is for certain, the blame lies entirely at the doorstep of number ten who threw him under the spotlight because he felt guilty and they wanted information from the BBC. He was just a tool in their tactics.

If you want to cover something up 'New Labour' style here's how you do it.....


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THINGS TO BEAR IN MIND

Dr Kelly was looking forward to enjoying his entirement next year.
The last person to see him alive said he was smiling as he walked in the countryside near his home
The man who revealed that the government lied to win support for the war on Iraq is now dead
Dr Kelly was well known as a devoted family man, so why did he not leave a suicide note or explanation for the wife he has loved for so many years
His wrist was cut and a bottle of pain killers were found near the scene of death. These are two classic hallmarks of suicide, and exactly what the public would expect in a TV soap drama suicide. However this is not consistent with the action of such a rational and educated man
Treason is still a capital offence in Britain
Is it really believable that an intelligent and learned man who had survived the pressures of the Iraqi regime should committ suicide in such an obvious way over a one line accusation about a spin doctor after his part in the inquiry into faulty intelligence was over and the media interest in him was subsiding and certainly would have done over time - are we expected to believe he was such a weak man?

DR KELLY DEATH POSSIBILTIES

Dr Kelly killed himself because of the media pressure
Dr Kelly killed himself for lying to Andrew Gilligan and betraying the Government
Dr Kelly killed himself for speaking the truth to Andrew Gilligan and feared for Government repercussions
Dr Kelly was murdered by the intelligence services as an example to other whistleblowers

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TIMELINE OF EVENTS

Dr Kelly sends a friend an e-mail in which he expressed a desire to return to the job that meant so much to him. "Hopefully it will soon pass" he wrote "and I can get to Baghdad and get on with the real work." He goes for a walk - a witness sees him smiling before he goes on his walk
His family reports him missing
A body is found suspected to be Dr. David Kelly
The news report the death as "unexplained" - couldn't (or wouldn't) say suicide or murder - after 24 hours they still don't know whether it is suicide or murder (this is thinking time - how to limit Government disrepute and not give away too much damaging information without thought of the long term political consequences)
The Government order an independent judicial inquiry - one of the weakest forms of inquiry with limited powers unlike the Bloody Sunday Tribunal or BSE Enquiry (of course Blair's Government had nothing to hide from either of these enquiries because they weren't in power, but they did hide sensitive information regarding the enquiry into Dunblane killer, Thomas Hamilton)
As Tony Blair struggled to compose himself during a press conference in Japan, panicky MI5 officers were sweeping through the �750,000 home of the 59-year-old germ warfare expert near Abingdon, Oxon. According to the Sunday Mirror, an intelligence source said: "People are starting to put two and two together and they don't like what it is adding up to. There is absolute panic about what Dr Kelly may have left behind. It's a ticking time-bomb...they are desperate to find out what he has done" (click here to hear Blair giving a press conference in Japan)
Blair continues on his world tour to show the world that "everything's fine" and that "the Government isn't in crisis"
July 19th - Police confirm that Dr. Kelly died of bleeding from his slashed left wrist. They found a knife nearby and some pain killers - the typical hallmarks of an assasination
Dr. Kelly doesn't leave a suicide note and chooses a suicide method only used by approximately 10-15% of suiciders
Tony Blair fails to answer an questions and keeps refering to the "wait and see" the outcome of the inquiry. He also rules out recalling parliament to avoid further awkward questioning
20th July - The BBC announces that David Kelly was in the fact the main source for Andrew Gilligan's report which makes the whole situation even more suspicious. It is more likely that Dr. Kelly was hounded by the MoD, Geoff Hoon and Alistair Campbell and more likely that he has paid the price for whistleblowing and it also explains why Dr. Kelly tried to distance himself from Andrew Gilligan by saying he thought he wasn't the main source to the Foreign Affairs Select Committee. The Government will try to twist this round by saying the BBC are accusing Dr. Kelly of lying to the committee when in fact Dr. Kelly could have been scared to death of the consequences of speaking off the record to the media over classified intelligence and Government propaganda tactics. (Click here to see chief spin doctor Peter Mandelson defend his master)
It is revealved that a day before Dr Kelly died he warned a New York Times journalist of "many dark actors playing games" in an e-mail and Dr. Kelly may have made a phone call to someone from a call box for fear that his phone was being tapped
23rd July - The BBC reveal that they have a tape of Dr. Kelly's evidence to Susan Watts. The BBC is expected to submit the tape as part of its evidence to the judicial inquiry led by Lord Hutton into Dr Kelly's death. I wonder whether this tape will be made public or whether the Government will try to surpress it the interest of "national security".

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Judicial inquiry has many precedents
By Jon Silverman
BBC Legal affairs analyst
19th July 2003

For seekers after the truth, the phrase "independent judicial inquiry" has a comforting ring about it.

But in truth, it is a formula which, in the past, has been criticised as the weakest form of inquiry which a government can establish. This was the reaction when the Scott inquiry into the arms-for-Iraq affair was set up in 1992. The celebrated Denning inquiry into the Profumo spy scandal in the early 1960s was also attacked - not least by its own chairman - for lacking the powers to require witnesses to give evidence on oath. By contrast, an inquiry - like the Bloody Sunday tribunal currently sitting - has the full panoply of judicial powers because it was set up under the Tribunals of Inquiry Evidence Act 1921. Expensive and time-consuming though it is, it has the advantage that justice is more likely to be "seen to be done" than by any other form of process. The first and most important task facing Lord Hutton, the former Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland, who has been named as the likely inquiry chairman, is to decide how to interpret his terms of reference.

Public or private?

According to the prime minister's official spokesman, the remit will be to examine the circumstances leading up to the death of Dr David Kelly. But it will be for Lord Hutton to determine how wide-ranging that examination needs to be to get at the truth. And presumably, until he reads himself in, he will not be in a position to say whether evidence should be taken in private or in public. But that, too, will have a bearing on the credibility of his findings. On the face of it, Lord Hutton has been awarded something of a poisoned chalice. Some of the material he may well wish to see is sensitive intelligence data and there will inevitably be tussles behind the scenes with Whitehall about what is appropriate to disclose. There is also the question of what role journalism played in the death of Dr Kelly. In this respect, a 1963 inquiry has some uncomfortable parallels. The Vassall Tribunal was set up to examine the ramifications of a homosexual spy scandal surrounding a naval intelligence officer, John Vassall. A number of journalists were called as witnesses and two Fleet Street reporters were jailed for refusing to reveal their sources. History never quite repeats itself - but sometimes it comes close to doing so."


www.newlabour.me.uk...


One BBC journalist revealed yesterday, she tape recorded an interview with Dr Kelly and is providing the tape to Lord Hutton. She made claims similar to those central to the argument based on this interview.

Hmm, as for him killing himself? I'm ruling that out, but as to who killed him? Well theres just too many possibilities to bear thinking about.

"1. Nov. 12, 2001: Benito Que was said to have been beaten in a Miami parking lot and died later.

2. Nov. 16, 2001: Don C. Wiley went missing. Was found Dec. 20. Investigators said he got dizzy on a Memphis bridge and fell to his death in a river.

3. Nov. 21, 2001: Vladimir Pasechnik, former high-level Russian microbiologist who defected in 1989 to the U.K. apparently died from a stroke.

4. Dec. 10, 2001: Robert M. Schwartz was stabbed to death in Leesberg, Va. Three Satanists have been arrested.

5. Dec. 14, 2001: Nguyen Van Set died in an airlock filled with nitrogen in his lab in Geelong, Australia.

6. Feb. 9, 2002: Victor Korshunov had his head bashed in near his home in Moscow.

7. Feb. 14, 2002: Ian Langford was found partially naked and wedged under a chair in Norwich, England.

8. 9. Feb. 28, 2002: San Francisco resident Tanya Holzmayer was killed by a microbiologist colleague, Guyang Huang, who shot her as she took delivery of a pizza and then apparently shot himself.

10. March 24, 2002: David Wynn-Williams died in a road accident near his home in Cambridge, England.

11. March 25, 2002: Steven Mostow of the Colorado Health Sciences Centre, killed in a plane he was flying near Denver.

12. June 24, 2003: Leland Rickman, Associate Clinical Professor of Medicine at the UCSD School of Medicine, died suddenly on June 24 while traveling and teaching medicine in Lesotho, Africa. Actual cause of death, apparently due to natural causes, is not known."

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And now Dr David Kelly

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